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Not sure if Haslam has the ability to look in the mirror and say "this is on me".
I don't know Haslam. Have no idea what he is like. Some coming from the kind of money he came from may find it problematic to self assess.
However, you can not run from the results.
Sashi Brown presented a plan to Haslam. Haslam bought into that plan. The Plan was to gut the team of veterans. Trade down in the draft to acquire more picks. Create as much cap space as possible. Acquire as much draft capital as possible and build the roster through the draft and have the money in place to acquire key young veterans in free agency. Sounds like a plan given the state of the roster.
The devil is in the details. In order for the plan to work the key component is the ability to evaluate talent and work the plan.
So far Sashi Brown has passed on Wentz, Dak and Watson in the draft. The picks gained and the players selected have yet to have an impact.
The Garoppolo fiasco. Hue his staff and the front office agreed that Garoppolo was a guy they wanted. They made inquires. The Patriots held out till it was clear they could not sign him and Brady played on.
The 49ers moved in on the opportunity. They had Hoyer who of course played there as a back-up. It made sense for the Pat's to get Hoyer and get something for Garoppolo.
Sashi's approach to the Pat's was: we like Garoppolo call us when you are ready. Belichick had made a trade with the Browns before. It was reported that he didn't like the way Sashi negotiated. That it was all about "winning the trade". He made the deal with the 49ers.
First off when you are the pursuer you can't play games. State your intentions. Make it known that you will not be out bid. Then you do not wait for the call. You are in pursuit. You have to be persistent and relentless. You can not allow someone to out maneuver you. You have to make it happen. Where there is a will; there is a way to get it done.
So now Sashi has made it clear that he is not a GM. There is a place for analytics. But it does not replace the ability to ID talent and make deals. At this point he has alienated his coaching staff and disrespected the owner.
I don't see how Haslam allows him to remain in power of the most important decisions the team can make "selecting the players".
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Sort of a fair question and one worth asking ... but laced with some comments or measurables that I see as loaded or unfair.
1. What's the payback period for tearing down the roster and starting afresh? judging a 3 or 4 year plan after 1.5 years is short sighted.
2. Was the plan also to get the QB in year 3? We don't know. We also don't know what Hue has asked for or not asked for ... Hue was the only HC who went to Wentz's pro-day ... he obviusly didn't come back impressed enough to make a push for him. . . . there was no rhetoric at ANY time that Hue liked or wanted Wentz . . . does that factor into Haslam's evaluation of the the FO?
3. Sure we passed on Wentz and he looks like a stud. It's too early to judge what Watson will be so it's redundant to say "we passed on Watson" .... every team passed on Dak at least twice and many passed on him 3 times. You don't measure a teams ability to judge talent because they passed on a 3rd round 'fluke' .... I know some will argue that because we took Kessler before Dak or any other stuff - none of it matters. No-one in any NFL front office thought Dak was going to be as good as he has been - if anyone had, they would have taken him sooner in the draft. Period.
4. "The picks gained and the players selected have yet to have an impact." - I disagree. Given that the draft is a lottery in the first place - and that research shows that even the "good drafting" teams only draft marginally better than the average ones ... what are you expecting from 3rd and 4th and 5th round picks? I'd say guys like Ogbah, , Kindred, Schobert and Shon Coleman are all actually making an impact as starters. Nassib is in the rotation - Louis is starting but that's really though injury and horrible play by our FA acquisition. Corey Coleman has been injured - but he was a consensus top 3 WR in that draft, and PFF had him rated #1. He's flashed impact playmaking ability when he's been healthy. Garret has impact player written all over him.
Don't take it (like some would want to try to) that I think the FO is without fault or shouldn't be scrutinized ... they aren't perfect. But in any evaluation - you have to keep it as real as you can. . .
Take the Garoppolo situation - I think the FO was derelict in their efforts to keep in touch with new england. I read Hue expressed interest in JG so we should have been keeping regular contact with NE just in case - it's simply doing your due diligence. I don't think the Browns had any chance of getting him - but that doesn't mean they are without fault in the situation and shouldn't be scrutinized. You mentioned a report that NE doesn't like trading with Sashi because the Browns are hard to trade with and have to win negotiations ? - I've heard a lot of speculation on that without any verification or sources... so I don't personally believe it. It makes no sense..... The theory goes that Bill knows he could have got more from the Browns - but didn't want to trade with us because the Browns always have to win the trade .... so he got less than what he would have got from the Browns because .... well there is no because, that makes no sense. He took less than he would have got by dealing with a team that likes to win trades.... so that means they dealt with a team that negotiates even harder than the Browns. It doesn't stack up .... Now factor Hoyer into the equation and now things start to makes sense for why they traded with 49ers. jmo.
It's been a tough week. I'm certainly more concerned about the FO than at any other time prior to the JG and McCarron trades fiascoes .... but I am hoping the FO stays and Hue. Give it the third year. See what it looks like when we actually give a plan time to work ... there is some genuine signs on game days (defense) that we are actually getting closer. Our run D is good. Genuinely good. We need a safety (or Peppers to have the light bulb go on) and a CB (and a healthy MG) and the D is going to be very good. Offense ... we need a QB. (* and WR's obviously!) Let's see if we have one in Kizer - and I have serious doubts - or if we can't land one in free agency - or draft one. . . . then lets re-evaluate.
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I think a fair amount of criticism needs to fall on the Haslams too. They have appealed to the fan base and said how sorry they were for getting it wrong on two other occasions. That they thought it would be "easier than it was to turn it around" but, that they believed we were moving in the right direction as they now have "the right people in place". I am not saying we do not have the right people BUT...at 1-23 one would argue otherwise. The passing on Wentz, saying he wasn't a "top 20 QB", passing on Watson, being schooled by the Niners on the JG trade, allowing key vets to walk away etc. all adds up to a 1-23 record. I do believe we have more talent on this team than we did last year but, there is still a disconnect somewhere and much of that is on poor QB play as well as not hitting on key WRs, not bringing in a true FS etc.
IF the Haslams now pull the trigger and start over then they are acknowledging that they have once again GOT IT COMPLETELY WRONG (third time since they arrived!).
RE: the FO....I do think there needs to be a serious shake up but, I would give Hue one more year and he needs to have a say in his 53 man roster and in the drafting. To even have a discussion of Garrett vs Trubisky is ludicrous. Thankfully sense prevailed on that particular pick.
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I have been a proponent of giving everyone at least another year ... i’ve Also said the FO is getting unfairly criticized and they’ve not done nearly as bad a job as most are saying .. that’s mostly the frustration talking ..
Bit after this week ... THEY ALL NEED TO GO ... the FO and Hue ..
I’m not going over all the details again .. neither side handled this week even close to professionally ...
They forced the thiefs hand and THEY ALL NEED TO GO ..
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It's too soon to pull the plug on their plan. It will take 3-4 years. We are developing the players they picked and have another big draft coming up. The only thing I would do if I were JH is try to get a football "guy" in here to help with future drafting and personnel decisions. Don't blow it up just tweak it a little.
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The facts remain. Coleman has done nothing. Wentz has. Yes it is early but you have to look at where you are. Kessler was picked in the third. Just because others passed on Dak doesn't excuse selecting Kessler over Dak.
The record is 1-23. What impact have the additions made?They are starters for the Browns. That is all.
What is expected from 3,4, or 5th rounders? Some to start some to develop and yes some to be good.
Is it expected to hit on every pick? Of course not.
But the Plan was to increase the odds by getting more picks. Has that worked?
The offense is atrocious. They lack playmakers. The defense should be better look at what has been invested. So far Garrett when available has been a situational player. He was the first player taken. Was hurt in college. He may be great but so far little impact.
Garoppolo fiasco is unacceptable. We are desperate to fix the position. He was identified as the target. He is not a Brown.
Where has the team progressed? We have draft capital. Based upon the results of Sashi Brown to date are you saying you are ready for him to make the decisions that lie ahead?
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Is it expected to hit on every pick? Of course not.
But the Plan was to increase the odds by getting more picks. Has that worked?
Entirely too early to know.
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I agree neither camp handled this very well. But I don't know that I change my entire point of view based on one off season and off season mistake.
What none of us know is what the atmosphere is like inside the organization - if it's toxic then sure it'll be time to start over. If Hue and Sashi can work together and move on then I don't see the need to fire everyone and once again start again.
There have been issues and mistakes by both before and this last week wasn't a big enough deal to make me want to trash it all - I think that is more an emotional response than a rationale one.
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Yes it is early that doesn't mean you don't evaluate progress to date.
In addition you have to know if it will work as a organizational structure. A GM has exhibit the qualities that demonstrate there will be progress.
At this point Hue is left with a roster that is uncompetitive. And in a relationship that at least from the outside looks unworkable.
There is a half season to go. During that time I would hope that Haslam is looking at remedies. If the season ends in chaos at least he should have in place.
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Its not emotional or irrational ....
I have no clue how u think the atmosphere could be anything but toxic ...
WTF man ....
The coaches feel the FO has hosed them when they cut Bitino and Haden .... and now they missedon JG and the McCarron debacle ...
Then the coaches crap all over the FO in PUBLIC ...
There’s no way they can work together .... NONE ...
And u need to tell me how Sashi didn’t do one of the following ....
1. Dis obey a direct order from the owner ...
2. Show complete INCOMPETENCE in not getting the trade done ...
Sorry man ... nothing else makes sense ...
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"The coaches feel the FO has hosed them when they cut Bitino and Haden .... and now they missedon JG and the McCarron debacle ..."
Did I miss something ?? When was Bitonio cut ?
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"The coaches feel the FO has hosed them when they cut Bitino and Haden .... and now they missedon JG and the McCarron debacle ..."
Did I miss something ?? When was Bitonio cut ?
Tuesday around 4 ... thats why nobody noticed .. *L* Lamp is correct ... i meant Grecco ...
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Its not emotional or irrational ....
I have no clue how u think the atmosphere could be anything but toxic ...
There’s no way they can work together .... NONE ...
Sure there is. It's called strong ownership stepping to the plate and being a freaking leader; telling the petulant children to get their heads out of their butts, shake hands, play nice, swallow their egos and pride, and GET TO WORK.
Browns is the Browns
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Its not emotional or irrational ....
I have no clue how u think the atmosphere could be anything but toxic ...
WTF man ....
The coaches feel the FO has hosed them when they cut Bitino and Haden .... and now they missedon JG and the McCarron debacle ...
Then the coaches crap all over the FO in PUBLIC ...
There’s no way they can work together .... NONE ...
And u need to tell me how Sashi didn’t do one of the following ....
1. Dis obey a direct order from the owner ...
2. Show complete INCOMPETENCE in not getting the trade done ...
Sorry man ... nothing else makes sense ... I can't believe that Sashi Brown is still employed by the Browns. I find it extremely hard to believe that the FO and coaching staff can mend their differences. The plan was dumb from the beginning. I said it when they made it and I'm saying it now. An organization simply cannot lose so many games w/out consequences. The fan base starts to choose sides and assign blame. The FO wonders why the coaching staff can't win games. The coaching staff becomes irate because they feel are the fall guy for a team that is lacking talent. The owner sees all the negativity in the media and from the fan base. The players are assimilating to a culture of losing that is so freaking hard to escape. It's a plan that sounds good on paper, but it's almost impossible to execute given the egos and emotions of human beings.
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JH was likely in on the meetings where Hue and the FO gave their opinions of available QBs. JH knows who wanted whom.
Reportedly, Hue did not care for Wentz and fell in love with RG3. Seriously? RG3...wow. Some people want to repeatedly quote Podesta for saying Wentz is not a top 20 QB. OK, from where did he get that opinion? I'm guessing JH knows.
Neither Hue nor the FO were pleased that Watson chose not to play in the Sr bowl. There was noise from the Watson camp - and an implied middle finger by skipping the Sr bowl - that Watson didn't want to come to Cleveland. Hue supposedly wanted Mahomes anyway. What really happened? I'm guessing JH knows.
Kizer sort of fell in our lap and picking him was good value. It was/is plain to see that he isn't ready. Hue himself stated that he and the FO would meet and talk about who to name as the starter. What was each sides' opinion of starting Kizer? I'm guessing JH knows.
RG3 is out of football and McCown looks like a stud after being simply awful here. I'm guessing Haslam sees that.
The trade-that-wasn't is being panned as being a good thing for the Browns. In the end, Sashi did JH a favor by standing up to him and doing the job he was given to do. I'm guessing Haslam - who is apparently influenced by the opinion of others in the league - sees that.
Hue's back-channel BS and his freaking daughter speaking out is reminiscent of Hue's short, manipulative tenure in Oakland. I'm guessing Haslam sees that.
Gameday decision-making and declining personal foul penalties are major sins for an NFL HC. I'm guessing Haslam sees that.
Other teams figure out how to get the most from their personnel. They figure out how to protect their young, inexperienced QBs. The dreaded O'Brein almost got a comeback win with Tom Savage. Tom Savage.
This FO made better offers to Schwartz and Pryor and they still went elsewhere. It doesn't take much research to believe/understand that we had NO SHOT at Garropolo. Thank goodness we didn't send a 2 & 3 to Cincy for AJ McCarron. AJ McCarron. Seriously.
This FO cut Barnidge and Des Bryant - with much fan hand-wringing and those guys are STILL out of the league. Haden is still awful and we have younger versions of Greco on the team today. Probably should have kept McCown, but Hue would still be calling the plays...plays that no QB in 1.5 years under Hue has been able to execute...including McCown.
What did I forget? Remember...the QB decision(s) is/was a collaborative effort between Hue and the FO. Only JH really knows who wanted what.
Oh...I forgot...we have (5) of the top (65) picks in the 2018 draft. Which was absolutely part of the plan.
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Sure Purp ... the thief can POUND OUT THE TOXICITY ... that always works ...  Come on man ... u know better than that ... U need to TRUST the people u work with in pretty much anything in life ... due to the nature of this business the trust factor is MAGNIFIED times a thousand ... They’ll NEVER TRUST each other again ... and that has NOTHING TO DO WITH LEADERSHIP ... Come on bro ... this ones not that hard ...
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Its not emotional or irrational ....
I have no clue how u think the atmosphere could be anything but toxic ...
There’s no way they can work together .... NONE ...
Sure there is. It's called strong ownership stepping to the plate and being a freaking leader; telling the petulant children to get their heads out of their butts, shake hands, play nice, swallow their egos and pride, and GET TO WORK. I'm leaning toward this is what's going to be the end result. It was eerily quiet over the bye week after the early fireworks. I believe Hue and the coaching staff were reprimanded by the team pretty severely. It was speculated that Wylie was the coach that sent Breer the emails. I expect him to be let go at the end of the year.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Actually Willie what u FORGOT was to ANSWER MY QUESTION ...
Love you to death bro ... but no where in that elequant well thought out (agree with some, disagree with some) post ... DID U ACTUALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION ....
Tell you what ... u answer my question then I’ll adress your post ... well after we discuss your answer to my question if need be ....
Deal? ...
Here’s the question ..
How did Sashi NOT do one of the following:
1. Dis obey a direct order from the owner ...
Or
2. Show complete incompetence not getting the trade done ...
Cue the jeopardy music .... *L* ...
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I have NO CLUE bro ... sashi should have been gone Tuesday night or Wednesday ...
This is incredible ... MIND BOGLING ..
As far as the plan .. it was a good one ... were a Case Keenum or someone in that category away from 2 - 4 wins this year ... then everyone is HUNKY DORY with the plan ...
For me ... if it wasn’t for last weeks NIGHTMARE in THE FACTORY OF SADNESS ... i wouldn’t want any of them fired ... and if they did get fired w/o that .. its the owners IMPATIENCE that would have blown it up ...
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Do u think Hue sent his daughter to her room ....  ...
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The Garoppolo fiasco.
see its claims like this that just make me laugh at posts like this...What fiasco? Disappointment yes but fiasco as if we did something wrong. BB had a plan of his own and it did not involve us.
1. He is getting an early 2nd round pick similar to ours.
2. He made a deal for them to release Hoyer and pick him up so they are solid in the back up department if Brady gets nicked up.
3. Possibly and this is just guess not fact. We here that 49ers might not play JG the entire Year??? possible deal for that pick to remain very valuable.
4. maybe mentioned but I just found out yesterday the Pats do not play the 49ers until 2020...another reason.
5. Pluto claims "NFL SOURCES" that we contacted the Pats and they didn't wish to talk to us.
So I would like to rest this Disappointment to rest...it was not a FO FIASCO!
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Here’s the question ..
How did Sashi NOT do one of the following:
1. Dis obey a direct order from the owner ...
Or
2. Show complete incompetence not getting the trade done ...
What bothers me about #1 is that the owner would get so involved with the roster that he would make a direct order to the FO regarding procuring a specific player. Does that bother you too?
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Actually Willie what u FORGOT was to ANSWER MY QUESTION ...
Love you to death bro ... but no where in that elequant well thought out (agree with some, disagree with some) post ... DID U ACTUALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION ....
Tell you what ... u answer my question then I’ll adress your post ... well after we discuss your answer to my question if need be ....
Deal? ...
Here’s the question ..
How did Sashi NOT do one of the following:
1. Dis obey a direct order from the owner ...
Or
2. Show complete incompetence not getting the trade done ...
Cue the jeopardy music .... *L* ...
My bad. I believe that Sashi disobeyed a direct order (thank goodness). I do not believe that he did not know how to execute the trade. I said it in another "eloquent" post  ...but I'll say it again here. Sashi and Co have taken a beating these last two years over their unconventional working situation. They have amassed an unbelievable haul of draft picks for - what will be - three straight drafts...which is right in line with what they said they'd do...aka "The Plan". All three pegs on the stool agreed that this is what was needed...they all signed-off on it. THEN...Hue pulls a power-play and Jimmy gets a woodie and those two impetuous nimwits - in the span of about an hour - darn near blew up a HUGE piece of the plan 8 games away from the next step in the plan. Sashi did exactly the job that Jimmy hired him to do...even to the point of overriding Jimmy himself. Hue has his handprints all over the QB situation. Hue's gameday decision-making has been atrocious. Hue was brought here to find the next great QB - my guess is that Sashi has followed that plan until it reached a point where Sashi had to do his job and be the tie-breaker that Jimmy hired him to be. The FO swung and missed on the Britt acquisition but have been remarkably restrained in leaking ANYTHING to the public. Lastly, I can live with Sashi's insubordination if/when it turns out that he did the Browns a favor and while doing his job - which I think he did and I think Jimmy will see that. Much MUCH worse in my opinion is the subversion (AGAIN) by a Head Coach to undermine his equal AND the simple fact that HE also thought AJ McCarron was worth the haul that Sashi has spent two turd-eating years to create.
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3. Sure we passed on Wentz and he looks like a stud. It's too early to judge what Watson will be so it's redundant to say "we passed on Watson" .... every team passed on Dak at least twice and many passed on him 3 times. You don't measure a teams ability to judge talent because they passed on a 3rd round 'fluke' .... I know some will argue that because we took Kessler before Dak or any other stuff - none of it matters. No-one in any NFL front office thought Dak was going to be as good as he has been - if anyone had, they would have taken him sooner in the draft. Period. Only the Browns passed on all 3
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Do you think that is uncommon?
Do you think that other FO guys around the league are insubordinate towards their owner?
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EO. I completely disagree.
When you have the draft capital that can get a deal done; then the deal can happen.
Are you suggesting BB would turn down a better deal because of the Browns? Or because they had to have Hoyer?
If we gave them two second rounders and Kessler or Hogan ? Or a first and a second?
BB will do what is best for the Pat's. We have done deals with him.
They will take a call from us if the call comes. This is not a situation where you say "call us when you are ready".
You keep calling. You figure out what will it take to get it done. There is a price. It is up to the GM to find it.
I don't buy BB would not talk to us.
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I don't care what anybody says, this is all on Hue. He is the catalyst for this whole disgraceful debacle. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing leading everyone to the slaughter!!!!
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Good post. I agree, but many on here don't want to see it for what it is.
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Its not emotional or irrational ....
I have no clue how u think the atmosphere could be anything but toxic ...
There’s no way they can work together .... NONE ...
Sure there is. It's called strong ownership stepping to the plate and being a freaking leader; telling the petulant children to get their heads out of their butts, shake hands, play nice, swallow their egos and pride, and GET TO WORK. I'm leaning toward this is what's going to be the end result. It was eerily quiet over the bye week after the early fireworks. I believe Hue and the coaching staff were reprimanded by the team pretty severely. It was speculated that Wylie was the coach that sent Breer the emails. I expect him to be let go at the end of the year. I (obviously) lean this way of thinking too. I still say we simply do not know what went down and why - we don't know what the atmosphere is like.... In business you can have heated disagreements and clashes - but then you move forward and get on with it. Happens a lot. If it's not this scenario - then Haslam is preparing to clean house after the end of the season and has begun the process of replacing FO and HC alike. . . and we won't know much till the end of the season.
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I disagree with your idea that somehow insubordination is acceptable if the result aligns with your opinion on players worth and because you think Hue is the bad guy in the room.
Insubordination isn't acceptable at any level. And that's why I think none of know what happened and all of our opinions are based on based on pure speculation. . . . I honestly think that if Hue and Haslam agreed to the trade and then Sashi deliberately sabotaged the process - I think Sashi would be gone that week. End of story. There is no room for that in any organization.
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I can’t stand it ddub ... HATE IT ...
To me a good owner hires his football people and gets the hell out of the way ... folks bitched and moaned about Randy ... he failed with his hires .. BUT HE LEFT THEM ALONE ..
We have no clue how much input the thief actually gives .. NONE ... i love it when Peen says he doesn’t meddle ... truth is in day to day stuff WE HAVE NO CLUE ... but i believe firing folks after 1 year and basically turning over the entire org. Every 1.5 years on average is MEDDLING ....
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I disagree with your idea that somehow insubordination is acceptable if the result aligns with your opinion on players worth and because you think Hue is the bad guy in the room.
Insubordination isn't acceptable at any level. And that's why I think none of know what happened and all of our opinions are based on based on pure speculation. . . . I honestly think that if Hue and Haslam agreed to the trade and then Sashi deliberately sabotaged the process - I think Sashi would be gone that week. End of story. There is no room for that in any organization. Fair enough and your second paragraph is spot on...my point is that at least Sashi did what he was hired to do. To date, Hue has not. Secondary and separate point: Hue's subversion is worse than Sashi's insubordination. Again, at least Sashi's sin was part of his job description. Hue pulled this same crap in Oakland.
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That's why if it all comes out to be true they all should go.
You can't have that stuff going on and move your club forward!
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I don't buy BB would not talk to us.
We had nothing at all to offer the Patriots to help them out in trade. Non of our QB's have been in the league as long as Hoyer. And I'm betting Hoyer's release from SF was in the deal. We may have talked but it was just that. We had nothing...they needed a viable backup. This was a trade of necessity for the Patriots. They were stuck. And I'll repeat there was no way BB was going to send a QB like JG with a great future ahead of himself to the Browns. That's just bad biz.
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Ok ... fair enough .... once again i agree with some and disagree with other points .. We definetly disagree on dis obeying the boss ... u can’t do it ... its one thing to dis obey him and give the copy machine contract to someone the boss said not to give it too .. this is an entirely different level of disobedience .. *L* ... I’ll adress both your posts in the next few days .. more than likely won’t have time to give u a proper response ... Thanks for answering bro ...
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Sashi Brown is scheduled to meet with the media today at 1:15pm.
Should be carried live on WKNR and 92.3.
This should be interesting.
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#Browns EVP Sashi Brown expected to speak prior to practice this afternoon. Lots of ground to cover with him.
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Sashi Brown is scheduled to meet with the media today at 1:15pm.
Should be carried live on WKNR and 92.3.
This should be interesting.
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#Browns EVP Sashi Brown expected to speak prior to practice this afternoon. Lots of ground to cover with him.
Rut row..Hammer time
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We need a DT member with a press pass that way we can ask some questions.
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See ... u said something in your post that is SO TRUE and its what makes this different ..
Your line was ... we don’t know what happened and how it actually went down ... what makes this different ...
We do know that the coaches feel hosed and that the trade got botched up ... the FACT we know those things ... IT CHANGES EVERYTHING ...
When u take things from an INTERNAL DISAGREEMENT to a PUBLIC ONE ... its a whole new story ...
And i don’t mean that to assign blame ... i mean it because if it goes public .. ITS BEYOND PEOPLE BEING UPSET ... for the coaches to make this public ... even if its only one dude ... HE IS NOT AN ISLAND IN THE COACHES ROOM ...
For this to become PUBLIC ... theres a MAJOR ASS RIFT ... that no amount of “leadership” or cramming things down others throats will solve ...
THE TRUST IS GONE ... good luck with that one ... its one thing to be MAD at SOMEONE over a situation ... its an entirely different thing to HAVE ZERO TRUST in this type of relationship ..
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