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Don't worry about my family they will not end up on drugs. They are raised better then that. There are treatment centers full of people who's family members felt that way. A lot of other people didn't have the opportunity to "be raised better than that". Drugs are not sickness. It is a weakness and choice. That is just wrong. I have my issues with healthcare in general, but when the AMA, DSM-V, ICDM-10, WHO, Democrats and Republicans alike and people from all cultures, all parts of the world and all socioeconomic classes say otherwise....it might be time to dig your head out of the sand. Weakness!!! Plain and simple!!! Why have someone like Gordon and his weakness infect the other young players. It's that point of view right there that insures if any of your family members did dabble in drugs you'd be the very last one to know about it. Who would come to you for advice/help with that kind of problem knowing that you'll only brow beat them to the floor using their "weakness" as your club? You might want to be a little less cocky regarding your claim that your family has a no drug history dating back to the Mayflower and that makes you an expert. What that really shows is that you have zero experience with drugs or the people who develop a problem with them. It's use by a family member can be staring you right in the face and under your nose but you won't even see it/recognize it until it's too late. And they damn sure won't be coming to you for help. Who could, knowing you hold THAT attitude about it? Your claim that having raised your family right guarantees drugs have never and will never become an issue with any of your family members sounds a lot like you're claiming none of them, starting with you, has ever make a mistake of any kind because of the perfect upbringing. No lies, no bad decisions, nothing. "Hey dad, I need to talk to you. I've mistakenly allowed drugs into my life and I think I might have a problem with it. I really, really need your help and understanding." Dad: Weakness!!! Plain and simple!!! "Uh, thanks dad." By the way if I would have had the idiotic conversation with my dad he would laid me out and rightfully so. I would have done the same to my son and daughter and rightfully so. By the way I might not of even had the chance to lay them out my wife would have done it before I would. My kids are the same way. It is called discipline.
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“Lay them out”?
So you condone violence in your family. Nice values you teach. Man, you really do need to smoke a little herb and chill.
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“Lay them out”?
So you condone violence in your family. Nice values you teach. Man, you really do need to smoke a little herb and chill. Sorry. I believe in discipline. And never would I ever stoop low enough to smoke herb.
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Never had a beer or a glass of wine in your life either I’m sure.
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Never had a beer or a glass of wine in your life either I’m sure. I do not drink alcohol. Cannot say I have never drank before. By the way never had to use discipline like that. My kids knew we would if we had to but they were good kids growing up and have been outstanding adults. Just feel like Josh has made his choice. A person decides if they want to use drugs or not. I do not want to see him back in a Browns uniform.
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Never had a beer or a glass of wine in your life either I’m sure. Beer and wine are legal. Most places, pot isn't. Nowhere is heroin or other drugs legal. Doesn't change the fact that he's barking up a tree that may fall on him. I know too many people that were raised "well", that got addicted to drugs. I won't go into much detail on the one person. Just say "prescription drugs" got them feeling good, and they went from there. Thankfully, clean as can be now. (and no, it's not me. Hardest drug I've had in my life, that I can recall, is ibuprofen or acetaminophen.) But, a cousin that was doing just fine in life od'd on heroin. And now I found out last week my cousin's kid - the kid that helped me out with work when I wasn't walking....is on heroin. He couldn't get a full time job around here due to drug testing. Hard worker. Intelligent. So, he moved to a different state, leaving behind his son and adopted son because a "friend" found him a full time job that didn't and doesn't require a drug test. He'll either get smarter, or die. Wife's cousin, who was "raised" right just recently got popped for theft, and drugs. She and her husband don't have custody of their 2 kids. Started with pot - moved up to heroin. The point is, raised "right" or not, rich or poor, Christian or not - drugs can get you. A threat of violence towards someone if they do drugs isn't going to do a darn thing to help.
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You do realize how prevalent it is in the league right? I mean Josh got caught but you’re completely fooling yourself if you think that the team you root for has no one that smoke herb. “Jamal Anderson was a talented NFL running back with a bruising style who rushed for over 5,000 yards while playing for the Atlanta Falcons. It was a more physical league during Anderson's time, and he retired in 2001 after an eight-year playing career. It was nastier. More punishing. More measures taken by players to ease the pain of playing in the sport. Anderson remembers the prevalent use of marijuana when he was in the game. It was used for enjoyment but also as treatment for the aches and bruises caused by professional football. "When I played, 40 to 50 percent of the league used it," Anderson said recently.” But keep on keeping on. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication...killer.amp.html
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FYI. I don’t drink alcohol either. That stuff is poison.
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FYI. I don’t drink alcohol either. That stuff is poison. Yes, and no. It's no more poison than what most/many people eat every day. It's no more poison than drugs.
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Choice, yes. But everyone is wired differently. Struggles and addictions USUALLY have a core cause. I hope and pray that anyone in your bloodline doesn't mess up on a drug or addiction capacity (plenty of non-drug addictions out there) and get the kind of closed off, closed minded support you are claiming to offer your family members.
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I think I'm going to create my first Twitter account, to encourage Josh Gordon throughout his sobriety, get by with a little help from my friends
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Don't worry about my family they will not end up on drugs. They are raised better then that. There are treatment centers full of people who's family members felt that way. A lot of other people didn't have the opportunity to "be raised better than that". Drugs are not sickness. It is a weakness and choice. That is just wrong. I have my issues with healthcare in general, but when the AMA, DSM-V, ICDM-10, WHO, Democrats and Republicans alike and people from all cultures, all parts of the world and all socioeconomic classes say otherwise....it might be time to dig your head out of the sand. Weakness!!! Plain and simple!!! Why have someone like Gordon and his weakness infect the other young players. It's that point of view right there that insures if any of your family members did dabble in drugs you'd be the very last one to know about it. Who would come to you for advice/help with that kind of problem knowing that you'll only brow beat them to the floor using their "weakness" as your club? You might want to be a little less cocky regarding your claim that your family has a no drug history dating back to the Mayflower and that makes you an expert. What that really shows is that you have zero experience with drugs or the people who develop a problem with them. It's use by a family member can be staring you right in the face and under your nose but you won't even see it/recognize it until it's too late. And they damn sure won't be coming to you for help. Who could, knowing you hold THAT attitude about it? Your claim that having raised your family right guarantees drugs have never and will never become an issue with any of your family members sounds a lot like you're claiming none of them, starting with you, has ever make a mistake of any kind because of the perfect upbringing. No lies, no bad decisions, nothing. "Hey dad, I need to talk to you. I've mistakenly allowed drugs into my life and I think I might have a problem with it. I really, really need your help and understanding." Dad: Weakness!!! Plain and simple!!! "Uh, thanks dad." Say what you want. Taking drugs of any kind is a choice. If you choose to be an idiot how can I help. All I can say is going back a few generations no one in my family has anything to do with drugs. It is not hard to not have anything to do with drugs. Choose your friends wisely. If one of them mess around with drugs don't have anything to do with them. Just like the Browns and Josh Gordon. Don't let the problem thru the door. yes you can choose your friends wisely my friend. but you can't pick and choose family. feel blessed that addiction hasn't hit your family...you're one of the lucky ones. I've seen first hand what it can do to a family. that being said the cards are stacked against him big time. If he doesn't make as a Brown, then I hope he makes it somewhere in the NFC.
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Sorry. I believe in discipline. And never would I ever stoop low enough to smoke herb. I pray you never get cancer, any type of chronic pain, nerve damage, Alzheimer’s, CTE, Tourette’s syndrome, PTSD, Parkinson’s disease, MS, Crohn’s, IBD, a spinal cord injury, Seizures, Neuropathies, hep c, a TB,I or any number of other problems pot helps with. Because (puffing up your chest) being a real man means you would never be so weak as to seek some relief or help from your pain or suffering.
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it's funny how people trash a god given plant, but have no problem popping man made pills.
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I would have predicted the Browns would win 1 game at most this year. With Gordon's return, I think the Browns will win 2-3 games. Especially if he brings a business-like humility to the field. "Fine, a touchdown. Now let's win this game."  The guy is a monster. If he has his head on straight, I think he'll resume right where he left-off. Just hope he isn't too much body building and can stay fluid. Remember that great WR from Ohio State and then he went crazy into Body Building but lost basically all his talent as a WR.
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I had some broken ribs after a car accident about a year ago. After a few weeks, the pain meds they had me on started to feel like it was eating holes in my brain - I'd forget entire days or what day it was.
A friend turned me onto kratom, which is all natural and (for now) legal. It did wonders for me. There are two main blends, one for a more euphoric feeling (sensation resembling a THC edible), and another which is more of a pain relief.
It also helped me when I was getting clean. It's not for everyone - some people get nauseous taking it, or dizzy with closed eye visuals/psychadelic effects
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I've had some serious surgery the last two years. Not life threatening but a lot of cutting, rehab and pain.
I have found that its the way they Prescribe the use of pain killers. For instance lets say Oxi....they will presecribe it as 1 every Four Hours not to exceed 6 per day. or 2 every 6 hours not to exceed 8 per day.
What they want is for it to get in your system 24/7. that is why I think we have the epidemic that we have regarding Oxi and then when their script is done and they are hooked they buy off the street which I hear is very expensive so they switch to HEROIN. That seems to be the course of action we see out there.
Me...I say screw this 1 every 4 hours or 2 every six.
I'll take two pills every 10-24 hours when the pain killer wears off and I cannot take the pain anymore...it is then that I will take 2 more and for 10 hours feel great. Also pending on how hard I rehab.
They still had me on the drug last years surgery and I stopped...only to take one Oxi here and there when I played Golf to help with the pain.
But I refuse to have it in my system 24/7 I think that is where the problem lies!
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it's funny how people trash a god given plant, but have no problem popping man made pills. The fact that MJ is still illegal (basically) in this country is astounding...and I'm pretty conservative socially and fiscally.
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Pretty sure that ripped picture of him is from like 2013 when he was tearing it up.
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Here we go. Make it happen Gordon. The Cleveland Browns are apparently willing to give wide receiver Josh Gordon a chance for now. ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting that the Browns are expecting Gordon to be in the team's facility Tuesday and to be ready to play Dec. 3 against the Los Angeles Chargers. The Baylor product was conditionally reinstated by Commissioner Roger Goodell Wednesday. He is eligible to take part in meetings immediately. He is allowed to start practicing with the team Nov. 20. The 26 year old has made one Pro Bowl appearance in his career. He has 161 receptions for 2,754 yards and 14 touchdowns in his career. The last game he played was Dec. 21, 2014. Cleveland controls his rights for two more seasons. https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...rgers-110003736
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At this stage... why not? We're so pathetic elsewhere.
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Yes. Team chemistry. I'm not being ironic at all.
You don't remember the wins that Hoyer was engineering that season? How he was spreading the ball around?
As soon as Gordon returned, things fell apart.
that was the context of my remark.
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They put Gordon back in Madden. Boy he is fun to play with.
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Yes. Team chemistry. I'm not being ironic at all.
You don't remember the wins that Hoyer was engineering that season? How he was spreading the ball around?
As soon as Gordon returned, things fell apart.
that was the context of my remark. That was a coaching issue not Gordon, they were trying to force it to him
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Sit Bhritt? Didn’t know it was spelled that way but I’m good with it.
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So what do you want them to do, cut the man? Maybe he IS a man now, not a punk.
Britt is a cancer waiting to bloom....he sucks the big one and is Dwayne Bowe II. Can't imagine four years of Britt....can anyone?
How about we give Josh a chance?
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I don't begrudge anyone the medicine they need for whatever ailment they have. I don't care if its pot or opioids. People that are suffering deserve they medicine that works for them. There is no shame in taking legitimately prescribed medicine. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.
What your not going to do is tell me it's ok for someone who is healthy to abuse what can be used as medicine to get high. That's just being a druggie and being weak willed or apathetic. That being said, people who use drugs tend to be suffering from one kind of mental illness or another like depression even if they don't know it. I would rather get them the help they need than to punish them for their weakness. Chances are the drugs have destroyed their lives and their family's life enough as it is.
Drug dealers on the other hand I am fine with shooting on sight. They are the scum of the earth who prey upon the weaknesses of their fellow man. I have no mercy or compassion for these scumbags.
I think sugar should be regulated too. It's no less addictive and no less damaging than alcohol. At least you can control what store and restaurants sell as pre made products so that the weak willed are no tempted all the time. I mean it's not the 7-'s and 80's anymore. We KNOW that all the high amounts of sugar is killing our kids and turning them into addicts and diabetics. It's cause far more damage than drugs are but no one seems to care.
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Give Josh a chance to turn his life around and our offense with it. It's very low risk IMHO.
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Here we go. Make it happen Gordon. The Cleveland Browns are apparently willing to give wide receiver Josh Gordon a chance for now. ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting that the Browns are expecting Gordon to be in the team's facility Tuesday and to be ready to play Dec. 3 against the Los Angeles Chargers. The Baylor product was conditionally reinstated by Commissioner Roger Goodell Wednesday. He is eligible to take part in meetings immediately. He is allowed to start practicing with the team Nov. 20. The 26 year old has made one Pro Bowl appearance in his career. He has 161 receptions for 2,754 yards and 14 touchdowns in his career. The last game he played was Dec. 21, 2014. Cleveland controls his rights for two more seasons. https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...rgers-110003736 Betcha...and I don't mean that literally just as a phrase of thought. That Gordon will lead all WRs stats by the end of the season. possibly not #of catches. But all the other stats...lol 
Man I can't wait to get rid of Britt.
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So much for smaller government.
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What if Gordon is only good when he takes drugs and alcohol before games? 
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Or. . . What if he is even better without taking drugs and alcohol before games? 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...bly-every-game/Josh Gordon admits using drugs or alcohol “probably every game” Josh Gordon, who rejoins the Browns on Tuesday, admitted drugs and alcohol were part of his pregame “ritual.” In an interview with GQ magazine, the wide receiver said he played under the influence “every game,” including college. “I used to make a ritual of it before every game,” Gordon told GQ, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “If I had already been drug tested that week, or the day before the game, I knew I had a couple days to buy to clean my system. Even before I was getting tested for alcohol, prior to my DWI in 2014, I would take the biggest bong rip I could. And try to conceal all the smell off all my clothes. I’d be dressed up to go to the game. A bunch of guys smoke weed before the game, but we’re not talking about them.” “I would have these little pre-made shots. I used to love Grand Marnier. I could drink it down smooth. I could usually drink a lot of it. But if it wasn’t that, it might be a whiskey or something. And I would drink probably like half a glass, or a couple shots to try and warm my system up, basically. To get the motor running. That’s what I would do for games.” Gordon said it happened “every game. Probably every game of my career,” including his time at Baylor. He said he was a “highly functioning” alcoholic. “We would stay at the team hotel and then players are allowed to go back home, get what they need, and then go to the game,” Gordon said of Browns home games. “So I’d leave the hotel early morning, go home, eat breakfast, do my little ritual, whatever it may be, some weed, some alcohol, and then go to the game. And then, I’d definitely be partying after every game, win or lose. Every game.”
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MKC had an article today, basically quoting GQ's piece on josh. Some of it is like, 'wow, what a train wreck' but he's so forthcoming, so brutally honest, maybe this was TRULY rock bottom. I hope so for his sake, and ours.
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it also sucked reading how fans treated him and his family in public.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...bly-every-game/Josh Gordon admits using drugs or alcohol “probably every game” Josh Gordon, who rejoins the Browns on Tuesday, admitted drugs and alcohol were part of his pregame “ritual.” In an interview with GQ magazine, the wide receiver said he played under the influence “every game,” including college. “I used to make a ritual of it before every game,” Gordon told GQ, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “If I had already been drug tested that week, or the day before the game, I knew I had a couple days to buy to clean my system. Even before I was getting tested for alcohol, prior to my DWI in 2014, I would take the biggest bong rip I could. And try to conceal all the smell off all my clothes. I’d be dressed up to go to the game. A bunch of guys smoke weed before the game, but we’re not talking about them.” “I would have these little pre-made shots. I used to love Grand Marnier. I could drink it down smooth. I could usually drink a lot of it. But if it wasn’t that, it might be a whiskey or something. And I would drink probably like half a glass, or a couple shots to try and warm my system up, basically. To get the motor running. That’s what I would do for games.” Gordon said it happened “every game. Probably every game of my career,” including his time at Baylor. He said he was a “highly functioning” alcoholic. “We would stay at the team hotel and then players are allowed to go back home, get what they need, and then go to the game,” Gordon said of Browns home games. “So I’d leave the hotel early morning, go home, eat breakfast, do my little ritual, whatever it may be, some weed, some alcohol, and then go to the game. And then, I’d definitely be partying after every game, win or lose. Every game.” I wonder if guys like tab, Daman, 888, WSU, etc will apologize for all the grief they gave others who didn't buy all the "he's clean" and the NFL is picking on him rhetoric? I doubt it and they'll twist the narrative again, just like the crap that is now happening w/the FO.
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