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I can read emails and twitter ..

Is your problem reading or understanding what your reading?...

Ooohh!! You really got me, there! How do I respond to such withering wit?

No doubt there is a divide. That leaves us to take sides. How many coaches get the opportunity to go 1-23?

How many headcoaches have an analytics management/analytics front office in charge of the roster?

How many NFL HCs have a front office with such a small amount of NFL experience?

I think Hue Jackson is the only NFL headcoach forced to work with such an inexperienced front office..inexperienced in terms of a FOOTBALL BACKGROUND!

Hue is the only HC forced into such circumstances.

I understand the need and desire for the Browns management to find a scapegoat for the team they have created, via draft,
free agency, waiverwire.

How many headcoaches have an analytics management/analytics front office in charge of the roster?

How many NFL HCs have a front office with such a small amount of NFL experience?

I think Hue Jackson is the only NFL headcoach forced to work with such an inexperienced front office..inexperienced in terms of a FOOTBALL BACKGROUND!

Hue is the only HC forced into such circumstances.

I understand the need and desire for the Browns management to find a scapegoat for the team they have created, via draft,
free agency, waiverwire.

rast...you answer my questions first...

... there’s plenty of proof of the rift and u don’t need to be in the room to know it ...

No doubt there is a divide. That leaves us to take sides. How many coaches get the opportunity to go 1-23?

rast...a total makeover could happen, but Haslam set the mess up and I don't think we trust him to do the right thing.

If all are fired, Haslam needs to hire the best qualified GM candidate he can find..then get the hell out of the way.

If Haslam wants to put a bandaide on the mess he created...he needs to hire the best qualified GM candidate he can find..then get the hell out of the way.

Either way, Haslam's course of action should be the same..hire the "best football GM" he can find.

Everyone involved needs to do a better job.

Amen. Not the least would be the Haslam's ... everything in the Browns and about the Browns ultimately takes it's cue from them. They need to improve - more than anyone else!

I hope FO and Hue get a chance.

rast...a total makeover could happen, but Haslam set the mess up and I don't think we trust him to do the right thing.

If all are fired, Haslam needs to hire the best qualified GM candidate he can find..then get the hell out of the way.

If Haslam wants to put a bandaide on the mess he created...he needs to hire the best qualified GM candidate he can find..then get the hell out of the way.

Either way, Haslam's course of action should be the same..hire the "best football GM" he can find.

Nobody on this board knows any actual facts and details as to who said what to who, or what was done in that room.

Lol, you people make me chuckle sometimes.

"Insubordination!" "Incompetence!" "Disobeyed!"

Y'all don't know ANYTHING about what happened, no matter how fervently you believe you do.

We don't know whose side Haslam was on or what he said

Then please spell out the other possibilities? It seems you're like many in that you refuse to believe any logical explanation, use vague references in an attempt to knock them down, then show no other logical explanation.

I mean the time didn't run out on the Bengals. They got their paperwork into the league on time.

There's no way that Sashi and Depo offer up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for McCarron. No way.

Didn't Sashi say that he sent the form to the Bengals with the Browns signature on it (as they have done in other deals) so that the Bengals could look at it, agree to it, sign off on it, and send it in with their signature too?

Then please spell out the other possibilities? It seems you're like many in that you refuse to believe any logical explanation, use vague references in an attempt to knock them down, then show no other logical explanation.

I mean the time didn't run out on the Bengals. They got their paperwork into the league on time.

The Garoppolo fiasco.


see its claims like this that just make me laugh at posts like this...What fiasco? Disappointment yes but fiasco as if we did something wrong. BB had a plan of his own and it did not involve us.

1. He is getting an early 2nd round pick similar to ours.
2. He made a deal for them to release Hoyer and pick him up so they are solid in the back up department if Brady gets nicked up.
3. Possibly and this is just guess not fact. We here that 49ers might not play JG the entire Year??? possible deal for that pick to remain very valuable.
4. maybe mentioned but I just found out yesterday the Pats do not play the 49ers until 2020...another reason.
5. Pluto claims "NFL SOURCES" that we contacted the Pats and they didn't wish to talk to us.

So I would like to rest this Disappointment to rest...it was not a FO FIASCO!

jmhFACTS

EO. I completely disagree.Not surprised at all.

When you have the draft capital that can get a deal done; then the deal can happen.

We have been consistent on JG it was said we offered a 2nd and a 3rd round pick prior to the 2017 draft coincidently the same said to be used for McCarron. But we were not afforded a chance to make an offer but I'm sure it would have been the same 2nd and 3rd rounder. Not afforded, according to league sources which you all conveniently just do not wish to believe...but you will believe Blogs made by 16 year olds as long as it follows your opinions...I get it. lol


Are you suggesting BB would turn down a better deal because of the Browns? Or because they had to have Hoyer?I'm suggesting he didn't see any deal that the according to league sources we called and he didn't respond.
Our deal would not have been much different than SF in draft picks and why would I say that cause we haven't really wavered much from our offer since day one. We weren't going to all of a sudden start offering major pluses. The Hoyer thing was a big part of it, Yes. The turn down better deal you just made that up so I'll ignore the suggestion.



If we gave them two second rounders and Kessler or Hogan ? Or a first and a second?

You can make up "IF" scenario's all you want it don't make them valid. Fact is we NEVER offered those picks in the many many correspondences we had with the PATS they knew where we were at and yes maybe we could have made a small offer more but the circumstances over road that yes with Hoyer...Kessler and Hogan...lol That would =
Losses if Brady went down. They would want a temp to win.

BB will do what is best for the Pat's. We have done deals with him.
And he did...I know you wish to believe we are inept...BB knew exactly what he wanted.


They will take a call from us if the call comes. This is not a situation where you say "call us when you are ready".

You keep calling. You figure out what will it take to get it done. There is a price. It is up to the GM to find it.

I don't buy BB would not talk to us.

Yes and the Bengals found that email the next day. And I'll have to go back and watch the press conference but I thought he said they they both sent paperwork to the league too.

Still, something got screwed up.

Time for the Haslams to silence the quarterback whisperer

by Thomas Moore

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/11/02/cleveland-browns-quarteback-whisperer/

Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson is on thin ice and it is time that owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam set some new ground rules.

The Cleveland Browns were quiet as the NFL’s trade deadline came and went on Tuesday afternoon.

But, oh my, the noise surrounding the team was deafening and we can all thank head coach Hue Jackson for that.

It started late Monday night after the news broke that the San Francisco 49ers had given up a second-round draft pick for New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Soon after, NFL Network’s Michael Silver sent out a Tweet that Jackson wanted Garoppolo but of course the front office wouldn’t go along with him.

A series of Tweets from Denver radio host Benjamin Allbright followed, detailing a series of emails reportedly from unnamed members of the coaching staff claiming that the front office shuts down at 5 p.m. (And since this is 1957 and not 2017, even if true there is no way to reach anyone once they leave team headquarters.)

Then came the boondoggle that was the attempt to trade for Cincinnati Bengals quarterback A.J. McCarron. Somehow the Browns avoided parting with a pair of draft picks through sheer luck (or a couple of Ivy League guys being smarter than everyone else in the room) for a quarterback that can’t beat out Andy Dalton.

That was followed by a Pro Football Talk report of Dee Haslam going “nuclear” on the front office staff for not being willing to sabotage the team to appease Jackson, the alleged “quarterback whisperer.”

It is now two days later and it is still so very exhausting.

When you start to unpack everything, however, you see how ridiculous the hysteria over the front office is and start to realize that the problem lies squarely at the feet of Jackson.

It was Jackson, after all, who came to town in early 2016 with the stated goal of fixing Cleveland’s ongoing quarterback crisis. But since his hiring, Jackson:


agreed with the assessment that Carson Wentz was not worth being drafted

thought that Robert Griffin III was worth being signed

didn’t believe that Deshaun Watson was worth being drafted

believed that DeShone Kizer was ready to start Week 1 of the season

thought that Kizer played “lights out” during a 31-7 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals

took eight weeks – and three separate benchings of Kizer – to realize that having your rookie quarterback throw the ball 30-plus times a game is not a good idea

has posted a record of 1-23

has continued to talk about how no one can be expected to win with a roster as allegedly void of talent as the Browns


Somehow, despite everything, Jackson has some people convinced that he is not to be blamed for anything, which may be the greatest trick he has pulled off with the Browns. We’ve been watching this team for 40 years now and we can’t remember a head coach ever being as Teflon-coated as Jackson.

But after the events of this week, it is clear that the time has come for the Haslams to take action.

The first step is to sit Jackson down and make it clear that the leaks to his friends in the media stop immediately. If Jackson is working he needs to spend less time on Operation Cover Your Behind and more time on fixing what ails the offense.

That ties into the second step: Jackson is done as offensive coordinator immediately. Assistant coach Al Saunders, who has experience as an offensive coordinator with the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, Baltimore Ravens, St. Louis Rams and Washington Redskins, can take over for the rest of the season.

There is simply no reason to keep Jackson in the role of offensive coordinator when you look at the offensive numbers from the season’s first eight games:


Thirty-first in the league in points at 14.9 per game.

Twenty-sixth in the league in yards at 301.2 per game.

Thirty-second in third-down conversion at 29 percent.

Fourth highest in penalties with 63.

Thirty-second in turnover margin at minus-12.

Thirty-second in quarterback rating at 56.1


The wacky formations, the odd play calling, the indecisiveness over the quarterback position, the strange decision making during games could all be excused a bit if the offense looked like it had a plan or was making some progress, but that has not been the case so far.

Finally, while Jackson can have a part to play when it comes to drafting a quarterback next spring, it needs to be a very minor one based off everything we’ve seen so far from his tenure in Cleveland.

And if Jackson doesn’t want to go along? Well, if there is one thing that Haslam knows it is how to fire a coach. Haslam should be thinking long and hard about doing that anyway given everything that has gone on since hiring Jackson.

Because if this week proved one thing above everything else it is that the time has come for the Browns to silence the “quarterback whisperer.”

Haslam Decision Time

So you don't have any other real explanation either.

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