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The thing is you never know what you are going to get until hired.

What will Haslam do?

What change could Haslam make that would allow him keep the present operation together with minimal changes?

Option #1...Add someone like Peyton Manning to oversee the operation?

That would be the safest credible move that Haslam could make that would allow everyone to remain and see the plan through.

It would not have to Manning but it would have to be someone who is respected and qualified to oversee the entire plan.

Option #2...Haslam could hire a real GM to head the operation and oversee the plan.

Option #3...blow it up and bring in all new people and/or coaches.

Option #4...do nothing.

What will Haslam do?

I find it hilarious that you want to go down memory lane and call out what posters say on this thread considering what you've said on here.

Thanks, mac - a solid answer. Peyton Manning, in your opinion, would be what? A front man, a tie-breaker, PR guru?

Good point! That's what I was looking for and which I was unable to put into words...

How is he any different than Kokinis?

He's got Bill's lead to follow similar to how Kokinis had Ozzie.

You don't know how he'll perform in the lead seat until he's there.

I also think there is a difference between operating in a stable environment and operating in...ours.

There seems to be a learning curve that few (so far, no one) survive.

I'm still in the give the guys we've got one more year minimum camp. People like to say you can't grade a draft class for three years, how can you grade the GM that drafted it any sooner?

Of all people to make that comment.

Feel free to elaborate then.

My prior comment was to submit that I'm not the one who makes generally made up, broad stroke generalizations about poster comments both emotionally/agenda slanted and usually substance-induced in an attempt to insult as many posters as possible because it makes me feel better.

For someone that makes some of the most inaccurate comments about the Browns on a micro and macro level, I'd refrain from grouping people together on a perceived common stance.

I'm happy to provide examples, if necessary.

Nope. You are just trying to start another fight that has nothing to do w/the subject matter.

You are happy to frame it any way you'd like to.

Of all the people to make that comment.

You're right Tab. 0-9 is no reason to be negative. lol

The FO needs to go .... They Fired all there talent / scout guys before the 2016 draft that were Pro Wentz . the FO chose Money Ball which does not workin in football and the CBA

It was a huge mistake to put Brown in charge of the 53 man roster and having final say in the draft. We need someone with football experience making those decisions. It was destined to fail the way it was set up. Sashi and Paul D. seem like they are on a mission to prove they are smarter than the rest of the league and their own coaches. Egoes have gotten in the way of common sense. The ball is now in Haslams hands. That's scary.

The worst thing we could do is stay the course and torture the fans for another 2 years with Hue and this FO!!!!!!!

Interesting thought, but completely baseless.

Next year at this time with this regime when we are 2-6, you might begin to see the light!!

I'm not sure why everyone gets held up on the person who has final say with the 53 man roster. It truly isn't as relevant as everyone makes it out to be. If there's a discrepancy on a player between coaches and player personnel, this person might be the one who makes the decision on whether the player stays or goes.

Sashi may have final say, but it is certainly a collaborative effort between the front office and coaches on each player.

If we're at 2-6 next year, I agree that it gets blown up, but to do so now is premature. Completely.

That said, I don't think that there is any chance we're only 2-6 at the mid-point of next season.

Considering that Haslam has NO clue as to what he is doing, yes, it is indeed scary.

I don't see the Browns moving in a successful direction until Haslam A) hires someone to hire EVERYONE in the organization or B) sells the team. It's really that simple IMO.

And you know this specifically how?

Didn't Haslem hire an outside consultancy for some/all of the hires? Was it just the HC? I honestly can't remember.

Jed Hughes from the search firm, Korn Ferry, was used during the HC and GM searches (which ultimately ended up being the "top talent evaluator" position, Andrew Berry).

Link

Reading that article made me want to puke. There are so many disagreements about the FO and coaching staff, but Haslam is the one constant in this ongoing debacle.

I think these are basically the same option. Bringing in Manning to just be a feel-good figure head isn't going to do any good if he doesn't have GM authority. If you bring in a Manning, it's because you are taking a shot on him as the GM.

From my perspective, outside looking in, one of the biggest problems I see is lack of defined roles and lack of accountability.. we argue about it on here every single day, who wanted which QB, how do we know, who won the debate, is Hue getting the players he really wants/needs, when is Haslam chiming in with his opinion and overriding his team... I mean it sounds like a real CF in our FO making personnel decisions where everybody is kind of responsible but nobody is really responsible.. I don't know if that's the reality or not...

But what does seem pretty clear, there is a disconnect between players, coaches, and front office over who is really running which parts of this organization and making decisions.. and that is the first thing Haslam has to change.

I have my issues with Hue but the one thing the front office can do for him is to supply him with an abundance of offensive weapons.

We have 2 weapons on offense with Duke n njoku. Crow is a good backup part time starter but I don't see him as a game changer. Gordon n Coleman have to get on the field but can't depend on either. Get hue decent at QB and receiving wepins and he will win.

The thing is that most owners don't know much about football. They were good at whatever it was they did that afforded them the ability to buy a NFL team.

Robert Kraft doesn't know anything more about it than does Jimmy Haslem. They make their hires and hope it works out.

Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry said "a good man always knows his limitations". The good owners, like Kraft or the Rooneys, know that. Haslam, despite the surplus of evidence to the contrary, apparently doesn't. Exhibit A: Johnny Manziel.

Exactly

Did he select Johnny? I know some think so, and maybe he did, I just haven't seen anything that says he did.

Plus, we were at the same position then that we were last year. It was a have to make selection just like we got strapped in to selecting Kizer.

Dirty Harry reference. I love it! Just re-watched the first 4, need to get in the last one.

There it is. You say that I'm negative. I'm simply asking you what there is to be positive about at 0-9. It's not that complicated. And I know it's hard for you to look around and realize it, but saying things like you think we'll beat Detroit isn't being realistic.

See, in times like these, people who are being realistic get labeled by the blind optimists as being negative. Sometimes reality, like when you're 0-9, look a lot more like negativity than some are willing to admit.