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No need to choose bro ... u can have them both ... what other flavors u want ... u deserve lots of them ... *L* ...

Wonder which of our posters is Thomas Moore? Sounds like the same BS they spew.

I wouldn't say they don't know squat, but no doubt Kizer has more games to start playing like a competent QB.

I am all for it...I hope to see some shine on his play the rest of the way. That doesn't mean he is not going to make mistakes, but he has to start showing some shine.

I have seen very little, if any at this point.

So he was good enough to be added to the coaching staff, but not good enough to stick around to work with young QB's who have never won a game in the NFL?

j/c

Hue covets an accurate quarterback. That is his #1 concern.


So... I find it very very interesting that Hue has our most accurate passer at the bottom of the totem pole.


I'm in the minority here, I know, but if we were trying to win games, I believe Kessler gave us the best chance. I had hopes for Hogan when he played well in the preseason and in relief for Kizer. I'm not saying Kessler is a franchise quarterback... I don't think McCown is a franchise quarterback and I don't think Osweiler is a franchise quarterback. But we aren't just trying to win games, we are trying to find the guy who will be our franchise quarterback.

Only one problem with your article. Hue isn't in charge of the draft and Sashi did a lot of damage by "pretending to try" to make a trade with the Bengals. What team will trust this FO in regards to honesty and good faith moving forward?

The slant to that article was obvious.

Which is far more than we have in any other QB on the roster. Saving a few dollars to lose what McCown could have done to help mentor our young QB group just seemed foolish to me. It still does.

Hue needs somebody to arrive with a three-bottomed totem pole! Still not sure what he wants because he has "chosen" horrible fails, all different and none effective. Just a poser how he can say trust me this often and expect to be listened to again (much less believed).

Pick a proven winner and overpay for that. None of the bargain basement development projects has panned any gold for us. Fans DO have limits.

Dak is 6' 2 1/4" (as officially measured at the combine), not 6' 1".

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He wants Lamar Jackson

He wants A.J. McCarron.

Nice!

Seriously though, if he wins his grievance hearing and becomes an unrestricted free agent I fully expect him to sign with us (if Hue Jackson is the head coach).

**NOTE**

I did not say I want Hue Jackson to be fired. I just have no clue what is going to go down this off-season.

I wonder why people think he can’t be good.

He hasn't been able to beat out Andy Dalton.

I don’t think Marvin would’ve gone with McCarron anyway. He loves Dalton.

Agreed. But McCarron has also played games and been unimpressive (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaA.00.htm), he also fell in the draft for a reason. I think he is better, by a lot, than anything we currently have, but is ceiling is pretty low. I'd be shocked if he turned out to be better than someone like Brian Hoyer (which is scary, because we tried to trade a second and third round pick for him).

McCarron doesn't make much sense next year, in my opinion. I know it's unfair to be dismissive on any player, but I can't see how Hue could honestly look at McCarron and see the answer at quarterback. At the best, he's an outside possibility to be something, but to think he'll provide a long-term solution with any sort of certainty would be erroneous.

I can understand the trade, in hindsight. McCarron is likely better than Kizer is now, knows the offense and could easily fit in, and would have the bye week to get adjusted to his new receivers. Certainly not an ideal situation, but there is method to the madness. Meanwhile, Kizer would get a veteran to learn from while he develops. Win-win.

That doesn't apply next year, however. Firstly, it would ruin any young quarterback - Drafted, or Kizer. Hue has already shown how quickly he'll quit on a young player for the likes of Kevin Hogan, so imagine how much worse it would be with McCarron. I honestly believe Hue genuinely could not be objective. His guy would win out, no matter what. Nobody else would get patience, assuming they even got a fair opportunity to be the starter.

A rebuild cannot be based on trying to build around McCarron long-term. I'll accept a lot, but that's too much.

For mine, it is either an established veteran who is actually established (Luck, Cousins, Taylor, etc), giving Kizer year two or drafting a rookie. Likely, Kizer is part of either option, learning behind a veteran just in case or competition with a rookie.

Hue makes me nervous. I can handle seeing a coach struggle with a young team, but I can't handle seeing him become desperate to the point he digs his heels in by answering questions with that which is not a solution.

Just to clarify, I'm assuming you mean Garoppolo, right?

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What are you referring to?

The person we were willing to trade a 2nd and 3rd round pick for.

If Kiser can grow mentally with decision making i think he is Hue's type of QB. We need to put the pressure on our run game and our defense instead of our young QB.

If Kizer can grasp the mental side of the game, including game speed, reads, and getting rid of the ball quickly, he is EVERYONE's kind of QB.

He has all of the physical tools you could hope for and is intelligent, he just has to learn and grow with knowing what to do with the position.

Yeah but you need to have the natural ability to put touch on the ball like BIG BEN. Kizer doesn't have that and probably never will in time to make it in the league!

I think McCarron can be pretty good and win some games if we build a very strong offense all around him. I don't think he's the guy to make the offense go in the face of adversity or to put the team on his back and throw it 55 times once in a while to win a game we probably shouldn't win.

In short, I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and Kessler.

Dalton only starts based on his salary
Sometimes in the NFL the best player doesn't start
It's the one the most monew is tied into

Him and Jackson are who I've been studying the most thus far.

A proven Solid Younger Vet would Be Nick Foles . He did great in Philly , bad with Rams but who didnt under Fisher then great again in KC . Eagles have Nate Sudfeld . Might even be able to get a decent deal for him since the Eagles are low on draft picks ... Hell they have a army of Running Backs as well that could be included right now . Pumphery , Smallwood or even Clement + Foles would be a instant boost.

Give time for Kizer to settle in or draft another QB yet again setle in .... but would have PROVEN NFL talent that could come cheap

He is much better then just a backup . 27 TD 2 ints not even starting all 16 games and Pro bowl MVP . Chip Kelly did not like Foles because he was a Andy Reid Guy and hated the fact he was winning with "Andys team " not his. So he destroyed the team of all Talent.

Cant go by what happened with the Rams because Jeff Fisher was a horrid coach and no one could look good there . Last year Foles looked perfect when filling in for Alex Smith . The Problem was that KC could not get rid of Smith and afford to Keep Foles.

Foles should of Held out for a starter Postion instead took backup role in Philly maybe hoping a spot would come eventually somewhere and he felt safe in Philly where he knows Doug P .

Foles a minimum would be a perfect stop gap for a team needing a QB to let a younger one that needs time to develop. The Texans would be still in great shape if they somehow were able to get him . I think Foles though would be perect here with the browns.

I’d much rather AJ than Foles ...

Not even close ...

It's ridiculous talking about AJ and foles....