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"WASHINGTON — Federal investigators have gathered enough evidence to bring charges in their investigation of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser and his son as part of the probe into Russia's intervention in the 2016 election, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation.

Michael T. Flynn, who was fired after just 24 days on the job, was one of the first Trump associates to come under scrutiny in the federal probe now led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into possible collusion between Moscow and the Trump campaign."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mue...igation-n817666

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How can this be possible when trump supporters said when this first started that nobody had contacts with Russians and that Flynn was an honorable man?

Haus told me trump had excellent judgement of the people he surrounds himself with at the beginning.

So it would be nice for him and other trump supporters to explain the manafort thing, Sessions thing, Gates thing, kushner thing, Papadopoulos thing, page thing, Wilbur Ross thing, and the Clovis thing.

And then I would love to hear how somehow trump had nothing to do with any of them, and somehow knew nothing of what is going on.

Well first we best wait to see if "Multiple Sources" knows what they are talking about, or even exist.

Well those “multiple sources” were right about the indictments.

Geez, I wish stuff would stop leaking out... Geez. If they got the goods on them, then just go arrest them already.

Actually it's a tactic and how FBI and other investigations work. There is a method to this. Leaking pending indictments can cause these deplorable's to make stupid moves, statements, and tweets. It has worked externally well so far.

(quote by Swish..."Well those “multiple sources” were right about the indictments."


No, I believe you are referring to "Unnamed Sources" this time it's "Multiple Sources".

Trump Jr. Hinted at Review of Anti-Russia Law, Moscow Lawyer Says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-jr-hinted-review-anti-090103684.html

I’m placing the over/under at 60% that trump will throw Jr under the bus within 6 months.

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Russian lawyer says Trump son offered to return to issue of sanctions law: Bloomberg

MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr. during the 2016 election campaign said the U.S. president’s son told her his father, if elected, could return to the issue of a U.S. law which imposes sanctions on Russian officials related to the death of a Russian lawyer, Bloomberg reported.

New York attorney Alan Futerfas, who represents Donald Trump Jr., did not immediately respond to requests for comment. A representative for the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, did not answer calls seeking comment.

The June 2016 meeting in New York between Veselnitskaya and Donald Trump Jr, along with other senior Trump campaign officials, has become part of an investigation into allegations Russia interfered in the U.S. presidential election. Trump has denied his campaign colluded with Moscow.

Bloomberg quoted Veselnitskaya as saying in an interview in Moscow that she was lobbying against the so-called Magnitsky law, adopted by Washington in response to the 2009 death of Sergei Magnitsky, a whistle-blowing lawyer and auditor.

Supporters of Magnitsky say the Russian state murdered him by denying him adequate medical care while he was in prison on tax evasion charges. The Kremlin denies the allegation.

In the interview with Bloomberg, Veselnitskaya quoted Donald Trump Jr as saying during their meeting, in reference to the Magnitsky law: ”Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it.”

According to Bloomberg, Veselnitskaya also recalled the future president’s son as saying: “I understand our side may have messed up, but it’ll take a long time to get to the bottom of it.”

Veselnitskaya said that at their meeting she offered to pass on information pertaining to alleged tax evasion by wealthy Democratic Party donors. She said Trump Jr. Had asked for documents proving the tax evasion, that she did not have any such documents and described the 20 minute meeting as a failure.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...g-idUSKBN1D62MY

Told you Jr. is going down for that meeting... Mueller is going to have a field day with the whole Trump admin.

All the best people.

Again, I don't expect this investigation to reel in any big fish, but Jesus, these people are imbeciles.

Carter page had his trip to Russia paid by Russians.

He also met with a high level kremlin official.

Read the whole transcript. Page was under the impression that he could respond to the subpoena by turning over certain e-mails, but could invoke the Fifth Amendment on certain selections documents. He later goes on to try and argue that being under investigation for 14 months violates his double jeopardy rights.

"I'll choose the best people for my administration"

He walked into Congress without a lawyer and just destroyed the administration's narrative in one fell swoop.

it's awfully quiet in this thread. typically there would be a ton of trump supporters playing defense.

i dunno what happened.

I’ll step in on their behalf...
But Hillary, blah blah blah, Obama, blah blah blah, MAGA!!

U.S. Risks ‘Coup’ if Mueller Investigation Continues, Republicans Warn

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-risks-coup-mueller-investigation-114449698.html

Republicans sure do sound scared for something that was suppose to be a big “nothing burger”.

I tried to warn you.

Warn about what?

That they know the Russians elected their boy and now won't admit to it and instead they threaten an attempt at a violent coup.

This Latest Michael Flynn Story Goes Way Beyond 'Not Normal'

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a13515798/michael-flynn-turkey-deal-15-million/

Mueller Probing Possible Deal Between Turks, Flynn During Presidential Transition

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mue...nsition-n819616

If the talk about Turkey and trying to "kidnap" the cleric in Pennsylvania is true, he needs to go to jail; there is no plea for this one

Man... this kind of stuff is so far removed from ordinary peoples' lives.

Who wants to live this way?
What kind of people do these things?


I think it wise to reframe The News with a dose of reality, every once in awhile.

I go to work and have a great time with truly Good People. I come home to a loving wife who helped foster kids find a better life for themselves. I have family I cherish. And I have good, honest, kind and moral people as my friends.

I should thank the Good Lord on High every day, that the people in these stories are not in my life.

What poisoned souls they are- the entire lot of them. Red ones/blue ones- doesn't matter.

Sociopaths.

Thank you.

I highly doubt it. Flynn and his kid aren't the brightest bulbs, but I don't think they're *that* dumb.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politics/p...ling/index.html


Da Nang, Vietnam (CNN) — President Donald Trump suggested on Saturday he's done confronting Russian President Vladimir Putin over his country's election meddling since it's insulting to the Russian leader.

Trump said he took Putin at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the US presidential election last year, despite a finding from US intelligence agencies that it did. The fraught relations between the two leaders was underscored anew when Putin's spokesman said election meddling did not come up when they spoke, even though Trump said it did.

And he stressed that bigger issues persist between the United States and Russia that require the two leaders to move on.

Trump, Putin shake hands, chat multiple times at Asia-Pacific summit


Related Article: Trump, Putin shake hands, chat multiple times at Asia-Pacific summit

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."

I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.

His remarks, which came near the end of Trump's marathon swing through Asia, amounted to the clearest statement yet of Trump's views about last year's election meddling issue. As Trump has traveled abroad, the special counsel investigation looking into possible collusion between his campaign aides and Russia has crept close to Trump's inner circle.


'There was no collusion'



Ex-Trump security chief testifies he rejected 2013 Russian offer of women for Trump in Moscow


Related Article: Ex-Trump security chief testifies he rejected 2013 Russian offer of women for Trump in Moscow

Jetting from Tokyo to Seoul to Beijing, Trump has largely remained quiet about the Russia investigation back home. But on his flight, which departed Da Nang in the early evening Saturday, Trump's simmering anger over the Russia matter burst forth.

"There was no collusion. Everybody knows there was no collusion," Trump insisted. "I think it's a shame that something like that could destroy a very important potential relationship between two countries that are really important countries."

He added he thought that Putin and he could "have the potential to have a very, very good relationship."

Trump's acceptance of Putin's denial that Russia sought to sway the election in his favor runs counter to assessments by US intelligence agencies. While describing his relationship with Putin and the ongoing investigations into 2016 meddling, Trump seemed to indicate on Saturday that he trusts Putin's denials more than the comments of former intelligence officials, like former high-ranking intelligence officials James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper.

"I mean, give me a break, they are political hacks," Trump said. "So you look at it, I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he is proven now to be a leaker. So you look at that and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with them."

Trump said the discrepancies between Putin and American officials weren't worth debating when other security issues require the two men's attention.

"You are not going to get into an argument, you are going to start talking about Syria and the Ukraine," he said.

"I can't stand there and argue with him," he added. "I'd rather have him get out of Syria, to be honest with you. I'd rather have him, you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing."


Conspiracy invented by Democrats




Trump repeated his claims that Russian interference in the US election is a conspiracy invented by Democrats to distract from their electoral losses. And he implied that investigators looking into his campaign aides' ties to Moscow were better off probing elsewhere.

"That whole thing was set up by the Democrats," Trump declared.

Trump's comments, which came after a two-day stay at this seaside resort, reflected ongoing frustration at his inability to warm ties with Moscow, which he pledged to do on the campaign trail.

While attending meetings for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit, the question loomed whether he would meet with Putin, either formally or in a casual pull-aside chat.

Ahead of Trump's arrival, his aides indicated that a meeting was possible. The Kremlin indicated the same. But as the summit wore on, US and Russian officials diverged in their public statements, with American officials saying a meeting wasn't happening and Russian officials indicating it still might.

Trump and Putin did speak at various occasions throughout the summit, and agreed to release a joint statement on Syria. But they did not sit for formal talks. Trump has met his Russian counterpart only one for such a face-to-face bilateral session, at the G20 summit in Germany in July.

Following those talks, Trump's aides insisted he raised the election meddling issue with Putin and expressed concerns about the issue. But Putin, speaking to reporters in Hamburg, said Trump had accepted his denials.

After Trump departed Da Nang on Saturday, Putin similarly spoke during an on-camera press briefing. He said US-Russia ties remained in a precarious condition.

"The relations between Russia and the US have not come out of the crisis state yet," he said. "As you know, and I often talk about it, we are prepared to turn the page and go forward to look into the future to solve the problems that are of interest to people of the United States and people of the Russian Federation."

Meanwhile, Putin's press secretary Dmitri Peskov told CNN that Putin and Trump did not discuss meddling in the presidential elections. In a text, CNN's Matthew Chance asked Peskov, "as far as you know, did the two leaders discuss meddling?"

Peskov's response was "No."

In theory, the notion of electing a guy like Trump means that you would trade away thoughtful or nuanced leadership, but you would get a tough SOB. The trade off has no payoff in practice/reality, as Trump is a creampuff who wilts like a dead flower if you pay him a compliment.

Exactly what a Russian Puppet President would say! Everyone knows Russia meddled, everyone! Except Trump who wants to lie, deny and cover up his efforts to collude with Russia! Obstruction of Justice or Collusion is going to bring Trump down and Mueller is a legal pitbull hot on his heels. I cringe every time interacts with foreign leaders on behalf of the US, CRINGE!

Tough Guy? lmao

Scarier than the trust fund wimp aspect is than anything can be attained from our country right now merely by prefacing it with an appeal to his bruised ego. The New York real estate community used the tactic to fleece him for decades and Saudi Arabia just provided the new road map.

I'm pretty sure they're that dumb. When Turkey consolidated power, the media reported Flynn and Erdogan really had the Joneses for the cleric.

When I say dumb, it's the amount of money reported. Even Flynn would know that you could extract ten times that much from Erdogan. That's what gives me the biggest pause.

Then again, every time one thinks this whole crew of flunkies can't possibly be this dumb, they clear the bar, so who knows.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/545738/

The sheer incompetence of these people is astounding.

He wrote "off the record" in a DM to WikiLeaks. Junior is far away the dumbest Trump (and that's a competitive field).

j/c


Mueller Immediately Closes Investigation After Hearing Putin Proclaim His Innocence

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The special counsel Robert Mueller announced on Saturday that he was closing the Justice Department’s Russia investigation, “effective immediately,” after hearing that President Vladimir Putin, of Russia, said he was innocent of any election meddling.

Moments after learning about Putin’s assertion, Mueller hastily assembled his staff of investigators to inform them that, now that Putin had fully exonerated himself, there was no point in continuing the probe.

“Vladimir Putin says he did nothing,” Mueller told his staff. “That’s good enough for me.”

Speaking later to reporters, Mueller said that, by disbanding his investigation, he was following the time-honored law-enforcement tradition of taking a suspect’s word for it.

“For the past several months, we’ve assembled tax records, cell-phone recordings, bank transfers, and e-mail communications that indicated Russia was involved in the election,” a visibly shaken Mueller said. “Somehow, we got it wrong—very, very wrong.”

As for his future plans, Mueller said that his first order of business was to write a hearfelt letter of apology to Putin.

“I feel terrible knowing that I’ve spent all this time investigating a person who did absolutely nothing wrong,” he said. “Hindsight is 20/20, but I really should have called him first and asked him what really happened.”


https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz...m-his-innocence