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Little should have attempted a comeback as a RB. He was a converted RB to begin with, which was apparent when he did catch a ball. He was fun to watch after the catch. Unfortunately for him (and us), the actual catching of the ball was the hard part.

Staying and living are two completely different terms for me.

Maybe. He ran high, from what I recall. Probably not all that quick either. As a WR, he just had bad hands. I don't think he ran bad routes and he certainly could block based on his size.

Sheeeesh, looks like the dude is gonna get hounded everywhere he goes now. I don't know how this is even "concerning" to anyone. It's not like someone caught him in the Velvet Tango with a fake beard. Alcohol is served almost everywhere you go, if he doesn't have a grip on it, he'll fail anyway. Rest assured, if someone saw anything questionable it would have been reported. Leave the kid alone.

If I were him I would order my Coke with lime, just to make people wonder lol.

Lots of good RBs ran tall. Eric Dickerson ran upright, although I'd grant you that he had explosive speed. Another who comes to mind is an old San Diego Charger favorite of mine, Chuck Muncie. Old Browns like Ernie Green, Bo Scott, and Calvin Hill, too.

Anyway, I'm digressing from the thread ... sorry.

Fair. But history is not on his side.

Leave the kid alone? After his history of lies, deceit, and complete disregard for the rules?

That would be brilliant.

Btw----------someone mentioned how poorly utilized JG was last time he played and asked if Hue was here then.

The answer is no. That coordinator was Shanny. You know the same guy who is more respected than any other offensive mind in the NFL.

I think the problem w/JG last time he played here was w/JG and not the coaches.

That is just my opinion.

Memphis, I'd all but guarantee they were hanging out at Town Hall. It's where the players regularly hang out. As you mentioned, it's a restaurant that becomes bar/late night scene. I've taken the family there for brunch a number of times. Definitely becomes more party scene at night.

It's a bad look. He needs to part ways with Little, imo.

It was just a couple years ago where they were on video together and looked cooked.

Who could forget that drunken video the two of them made after the Heat won the NBA Championship?

Apparently a lot of Gordon's fans. LOL

I didn't know it then, but in hindsight, I think because Josh was partying with Manziel, he undermined Hoyer by breaking off routes that ended up intercepted and half-assing other routes where he broke open and slowed down. I recall fairly clearly a deep route near the end of a close game we ended up losing- I think it was vs Indy - where Gordon broke open and Hoyer threw a ball that appeared to be on target except Josh slowed down. That could have been a game winning TD, but he quit on the route. I obviously have no way of knowing that for sure, but I believe it to be the case. Josh has some atoning to do in my book.

Town Hall was the first place I thought of. I've never been there on a Thursday night. Why does he need to part ways with Little, out of curiosity?

He should part ways w/Little because the two have a history of getting famously drunk together.

I very well could be overreacting, but I don't trust Gordon. He has just lied too many times. He very well could have been going to that place to have dinner after 11:00, but I think the odds are that he went there to drink. Not saying I am right, but I just don't know how many people wait to eat until after 11:00 and then do so w/out drinking.

Given his history.........I have my doubts about him not going there to drink.

They do?

Not saying this isn't true but I've not heard anything about that (or at least, forgot). Care to share the inside info?

No, the name of the place was deliberately omitted and instead was the baiting phrase that states "a place that is more bar than restaurant".

So, rather than actually report real facts and details Mary Kay instead decides to go full tabloid. Also note: nowhere does it say what they were doing.... like, I dunno, maybe ordering food?

I don't think it is inside info. The video they made of them getting trashed at a nightclub in Miami after the Heat won the championship was viewed by many.

It would be really funny if they went to dinner at 9 and left at 11 and this was the result. The article almost seems like it was written in a way for it to be taken out of context.

Purp............who orders dinner after 11:00 at such a place and does not drink?

An 11:00 dinner? Really?

Given Gordon's history, I don't think that the author is the one who should be questioned. Gordon is a proven liar and drug and alcohol abuser. He has shown complete disregard for the rules both in college and in the NFL. Yet, he should not be questioned in such a circumstance? Sorry......but, he deserves to be questioned.

He might very well have done nothing wrong, but then again, it is more likely he was drinking again.

That is a good point and one I did not consider.

This guy doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. I hope he is clean, but if he is not, it will blow up all over again, sure as shooting. He can't pull off sneaking around or "just" drinking. He has to be at staying straight 100 percent not to be the complete f-up he's always been. And I sorta like him. And love his talent, obviously.

There are few videos you can find with a quick search (can't post due to profanity) of thew two together where they appear to drunk and/or high. One before a Mayweather fighting the other after Heat won the championship.

Just my observation from afar.

Town Hall (assuming this is the place and I would be shocked if it wasn't) is not really the place you would sit down for dinner at 9pm and leave a couple hours later.

In fact, I believe the place becomes 21 and over after 9pm (not that this makes him guilty). Just pointing out that Town Hall becomes a bustling late night hot spot.

Not trying to make this into something it may not be, but right or wrong, people are going to tweet, text, instagram, etc., anytime they see him out....especially late at a place well known for the late night scene. Manziel used to party at Town Hall as well.

Not really disagreeing here but I think (don't know) that someone would have said he was drinking had he been, just saying.

I sure hope he isn't, he could be a huge game changer for us. But its up to him and we have to accept he may not make it.

I will say this too, in my life I have made many mistakes, if I want others to accept my mistakes I must accept theirs. I forgive the guy, because its the right thing to do IMO. Doesn't mean I would put bank on him, it just means the slate is clean make it work this time JG for your own good, kind of thing.

The Browns going forward need to proceed as if he doesn't exist. In other words we still need a top notch receiver, Brit looked like a changed man last week and I wonder if that has something to do with JG coming back perhaps taking away playing time??

Excellent post, BTTB. ..

It is so easy to dream of JG reverting to All-Pro form, Coleman becoming the guy we hoped for, Kizer making a step that says we don't need to go QB in the draft and then ... four picks in two rounds. Probably at least two too many ifs, but man would we be stacked.

What such a place?
What is the place they were named and what, exactly, is the nature of this place?
Where does it say he was drinking?


He's the best question, yet: Why on earth go to so much trouble to write an article about Josh being out at a "bar" and leave out a detail like drinking? Why leave out what they were doing, at all?

Your answers lies in what isn't written; the details deliberately omitted.

Guilty until proven innocent!

I don't know what happened. I am not going to guess. Given JG's history it's a red flag. But beyond that anything and everything is pure speculation. As Purp says - the omissions are a sign something isn't right. . . . It's either deliberate to make a story out of nothing - or it's deliberate so there is a follow up "gotcha" moment/story. I don't know which.

I mentioned the plays and how JG was used when he came back last time. . . . do you remember what happened and what it looked like? It seems like your more interested in protecting Shanny than talking about what happened.

I am not suggesting it was the play calling as much as the QB - but JG was back in the roster as a starting WR. If he was not ready or fit then that is on the coaches ... What i remember clearly was that we threw the ball a lot to JG over and over and over again when he came back .... whether he was open or not, it was almost a defacto pass to JG anytime we needed a play. And most of the plays didn't result in a completion. I have no doubt at all JG wasn't helping because of his mental state, possibly because he was still high, and because he wasn't in football condition..... that does not make what I said any less valid. . . . when he came back last time we threw the ball to him over and over and the success was minimal.

It definitely is a potential red flag, and as someone in recovery, I find it a little disconcerting in that I'd prefer he stick to sober people and sober places. Actually, the ONLY part that is reassuring is the extent that Mary Kay goes to in order to dance around the fact that she shares literally zero facts (name of the place, what they were doing, whether or not they were drinking, etc....) and instead engages in complete and utter tabloidism - saying "night spot" because she wants you to draw an equivalency to "night club". Stating that the place is "more bar than restaurant", but it is a restaurant and she deliberately leaves out the name of the place so readers cannot think "Oh, she's full of it... that place is nothing". She doesn't even mention what they were doing.... like, maybe picking up a To Go order after the gym? I know that I never want to cook that late after a workout... by 8pm, I'm fully in Take Out mode unless I already have food in the fridge at home.

If there were even smoke there, or even the smallest hint of fire, it would have been in the article and all over the rumor mills.

+ 1 on the above

Perception plays a big part in this type of thing. Fair or not, it is reality.

After being kicked off two college teams, lied to this FO and fan base over and over again, screwed up so badly you're one step away from a lifetime ban, people need to quit acting like fans who question him is the problem.

I agree. The article says this:



Most anyone that works out has a post workout meal. It says they were working out Thursday "night". If it were early Thursday evening, I'm sure that would have been in the article given the way the author is presenting this. The "more bar than restaurant" crack can be said about most any place that serves decent food at night. I'm no Gordon apologist and he should expect this type of thing and be more careful where he puts himself, especially at night.

U get my point .... i’m not good at the vernacular .. or the spelling or grammar for that matter .. *L* ...

and with TP’s height advantage ... leaping ability ... just throw it high his way ... call it what u will ...

And yet this FO was trying to trade with the Skins to get him back.

“WIN THE DEAL” ...

U EITHER DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS or your exhibiting Sheldon Cooper like personal skills ...

WINNING THE DEAL deasn’t mean MAKING or PASSING on STUPID DEALS ...

Both sides are using BS ass example on this one ...

Its BS on both sides and if u don’t know that please tell Penny I said Hi ..