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Died of natural causes according to ABC.net http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-20/charles-manson-dead-at-83/9171388One of his followers got parole several weeks back. If you are into this sort of thing, check out the book Helter Skelter by the prosecuting DA of the trial, Vincent Bugliosi.
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Keeping him alive all these years was a complete waste of tax payer money.
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Bat crap crazy to the end.
Good riddance.
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Hmm...
I read the book Helter Skelter in the late '70s.
It was written by the Manson prosecuting attorney.
Definitely the most disturbing book I ever read. Seeing as it was nonfiction.
I don't think Manson himself killed anybody directly.
His "followers" were some messed up people.
Every single one of the "followers" involved in the murders should have been executed.
But, I don't think any were. I think some are in still alive in prison.
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Keeping him alive all these years was a complete waste of tax payer money.
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should've executed most of them. the women that helped murder those people are still alive, as well. his right hand man is also still alive.
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Want to hear a good one?  Tex Watson the man murder dude, has fathered 4 children since he's been in prison. Geez. That sounds really smart. (conjugal visits) What's California Penal running? A whore house? "Hey! Over here cop. I just littered."
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I read Helter Skelter a long, long time ago. Fascinating and disturbing.
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This was a pretty good book, I read it a long time ago: 
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I remember the Horror and Sickness and Disgust when I heard and read of Manson, his followers and their crimes.
Sadly, Manson was but a rookie compared to what I have seen since.
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its crazy, you would think with all the "enlightenment" and social justice programs we would be becoming less violent and crazy - seems like the opposite is happening.
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Back in the day, Manson and his horrors were a complete affront to our Culture of Life. He and his followers caused outrage and their actions were offensive to the American way of life and the spirit of life.
Today we are a Society and Culture of Death as we kill millions in the name of economics and other selfish reasons, with no more concern than Manson's followers had for their victims.
Shame on us.
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If you are into this sort of thing, check out the book Helter Skelter by the prosecuting DA of the trial, Vincent Bugliosi. Along the same lines, I recommend the book Mindhunter as well. Netflix recently turned the book into a series and released the first season. The guy that plays serial killer Ed Kemper is fantastic. I digress.
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It never ceases to amaze me how fragile the human mind is.. that somebody can convince people to act/say/do things that they spent their whole life believing to be totally wrong...
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all it takes is the right voice.
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all it takes is the right voice.
*I felt this needed to be echoed due to the level of truth in this statement*
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all it takes is the right voice. Luke I am your father. "No, I am your father." #StarWarsNerding Anyway, this is another example of why people like this shouldn't get their names in the news. He became a celebrity and spread his craziness across the globe. Heck, it seems like most in this thread read books about him. This sort of crazy should be locked up and hidden from the public. Remember the victims and terrible tragedy, but not the villain.
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Fascinating dude, Charlie was. I've read a lot about him over the years. Not obsessively, just out of curiosity. The wife named our parakeet after him ( Or was it Sheen?) 
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all it takes is the right voice. Luke I am your father. "No, I am your father." #StarWarsNerding Anyway, this is another example of why people like this shouldn't get their names in the news. He became a celebrity and spread his craziness across the globe. Heck, it seems like most in this thread read books about him. This sort of crazy should be locked up and hidden from the public. Remember the victims and terrible tragedy, but not the villain. I'm of the opinion that the "15 minutes" afforded these idiots is the biggest reason for the atrocities that take place today. Not saying it's not news worthy or that I'm in favor of a society where it's hidden from us, wall to wall coverage, shocking video and a culture of having it right in our faces has bred everything from Columbine to the the Vegas Massacre. Not really sure what the answer is. I do know this - when I was a kid, news stations warned parents to remove kids from the room before they would show a drop of blood, now we watch suicides on Facebook - you do the math.
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its crazy, you would think with all the "enlightenment" and social justice programs we would be becoming less violent and crazy - seems like the opposite is happening. Are you implying a causal relationship? Because from where I sit, a lack of social justice produced/produces results just as heinous. 40 made a verifiable observation. Things are more twisted and gory than they ever were before the Manson Family's terror spree. But your inference that it's somehow tied to social justice movements makes no sense to me. I'm trying very hard to understand your thought process here. My wife tells me I can be dense at times, so I'm asking for a little help here. Could you please connect the dots from 40's observation to your theory about root cause? I find this take fascinating... because I would never have come to your conclusion from the evidence available. Thanks in advance.
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I will attempt to do that.
Manson was working a plan to start a race war in this country, and he wanted the blacks to win, as he thought they were the most oppressed. Therefore, he sent his family to murder rich white people and leave stereo typical clues that would lead the police to believe blacks had done the crime. This obviously failed.
How does this fit in with social justice? I'm glad you asked, and I shall explain.
Manson tried to correct what he saw as a social injustice by giving a class of people an opportunity to cast off their oppressors through war. The government tries to sooth the victim classes by giving them stuff for free. Unfortunately, this free stuff always comes with stipulations.
In other words, if you are a person on welfare, food stamps, unemployment, housing assistance, utlI lites assistance, or any other government program, you are only allowed to make so much money. As most people have problems making more money than their benefits, they stay unemployed. The same goes for free health care.
Giving people things for free, and letting them get those things forever is harmful. The practice removes purpose and ambition from people. The problem that remains is that the government never gives enough money for people to improve the lives. This leads to more discontent, therefore the government attempts to give more. This is little more than a vicious circle that will eventually destroy all.
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quote above by EIH: In other words, if you are a person on welfare, food stamps, unemployment, housing assistance, utlI lites assistance, or any other government program, you are only allowed to make so much money. As most people have problems making more money than their benefits, they stay unemployed. The same goes for free health care.
Giving people things for free, and letting them get those things forever is harmful. The practice removes purpose and ambition from people. The problem that remains is that the government never gives enough money for people to improve the lives. This leads to more discontent, therefore the government attempts to give more. This is little more than a vicious circle that will eventually destroy all. I think you nailed it. I think this is a perfect explanation. Now that there's ~ 3rd generation welfare families, these entitlements are firmly entrenched and there's millions of Americans whose full-time job is to live off the government. Of course this hits the working middle class quality of life via higher taxes. Unfortunately, there's probably not a solution to this problem short of a revolution. Or worse.
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Manson lost his purpose and ambition due to constant horrifying abuse as a child.
Social justice ideals seek to prevent horrifying abuse that warp the mind.
Social democracies across the world show a murder rate that pales in comparison to ours, and that’s even adjusted per capita. We need more social and restorative justice in this country.
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"...and he made some good music. I know we're not supposed to say that. But he did. And you always hear people say 'oh, that Charlie Manson is such a bad killer". "Oh, he's such a scary guy". Let me tell you something, folks, it was those girls who did most of the killing, OK?"
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Wasn’t it Tex Watson who did most of the killings?
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Let me help you. Charles Manson was actually a precursor to Antifa. He was the first social justice warrior. How else could you explain his friendship with the Beach Boy's drummer? Charles Manson found out that Roman Polanski would eventually rape a child so he decided that he would kill Polanski before he got the chance. However, on a cruel twist of fate, Polanski was not at the house, so Sharron Tate and others were murdered instead. That is how social justice ties into all of this.
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its crazy, you would think with all the "enlightenment" and social justice programs we would be becoming less violent and crazy - seems like the opposite is happening. What came before social justice and "enlightenment" was a gigantic world war which killed 3% of the world's population. I'll pick this time period over that one any day.
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Manson lost his purpose and ambition due to constant horrifying abuse as a child.
Social justice ideals seek to prevent horrifying abuse that warp the mind.
Social democracies across the world show a murder rate that pales in comparison to ours, and that’s even adjusted per capita. We need more social and restorative justice in this country. Really?!?!?!?!? Manson's purpose and ambition was to bring down the government due to a race war he was to start because he was the 5th unknown angel of the apocalypse. In the meantime he was going to subvert people to his will. As for any abuse he might have suffered, the stories are apocryphal, and were only told by manson himself. There was never any proof. The only proof of a bad childhood is that he was born to a mother that didn't want him.
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Semantics, Erik.
I meant positive ambition and purpose. He had negative ambition and nefarious purpose after the abuse.
Stop trying to blame liberals for what Manson turned out to be.
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I will attempt to do that.
Manson was working a plan to start a race war in this country, and he wanted the blacks to win, as he thought they were the most oppressed. Therefore, he sent his family to murder rich white people and leave stereo typical clues that would lead the police to believe blacks had done the crime. This obviously failed.
How does this fit in with social justice? I'm glad you asked, and I shall explain.
Manson tried to correct what he saw as a social injustice by giving a class of people an opportunity to cast off their oppressors through war. The government tries to sooth the victim classes by giving them stuff for free. Unfortunately, this free stuff always comes with stipulations.
In other words, if you are a person on welfare, food stamps, unemployment, housing assistance, utlI lites assistance, or any other government program, you are only allowed to make so much money. As most people have problems making more money than their benefits, they stay unemployed. The same goes for free health care.
Giving people things for free, and letting them get those things forever is harmful. The practice removes purpose and ambition from people. The problem that remains is that the government never gives enough money for people to improve the lives. This leads to more discontent, therefore the government attempts to give more. This is little more than a vicious circle that will eventually destroy all.
This is -truly - one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Manson was a schizophrenic racist who thought that The White Album was personally instructing him to start a race war.
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Wasn’t it Tex Watson who did most of the killings? Yes. It was Tex and the 3 women. Manson himself never stepped foot on the murder scene.
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Semantics, Erik.
I meant positive ambition and purpose. He had negative ambition and nefarious purpose after the abuse.
Stop trying to blame liberals for what Manson turned out to be. I didn't blame a single liberal. Manson was a maniac, nothing more. The overwhelming point I was trying to make is that 'social justice' can only be achieved by people purposely trying to get along. It cannot be forced.
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Let me help you. Charles Manson was actually a precursor to Antifa. He was the first social justice warrior. How else could you explain his friendship with the Beach Boy's drummer? Charles Manson found out that Roman Polanski would eventually rape a child so he decided that he would kill Polanski before he got the chance. However, on a cruel twist of fate, Polanski was not at the house, so Sharron Tate and others were murdered instead. That is how social justice ties into all of this. So, you're proposing that manson was a psychic, and not just psychotic?
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Wasn’t it Tex Watson who did most of the killings? Yes. It was Tex and the 3 women. Manson himself never stepped foot on the murder scene. Actually Manson did step foot at the LaBianca’s house. He was the one who tied them up.
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yall making me want to actually read up on this whole thing now.
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yall making me want to actually read up on this whole thing now. You should read it. Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi, the DA that prosecuted him.
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yall making me want to actually read up on this whole thing now. Check out the Cults podcast on iTunes. They did a whole hour thing on the family, and Manson's initial years. There's another good one (a two parter) on the Heaven's Gate group.
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There's another good one (a two parter) on the Heaven's Gate group.
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