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The Browns have not won a game this year. If that is being right............God help us!

None the less, he made a poor decision. At this point I doubt he gets anything close to what we offered last year.

To Diams point, I agree, he isn't headed to the poor house anytime soon. I don't think TP lives the lavish lifestyle like some do. He is going to get a few more 1 or 2 year contracts. If he is smart with his money, he's going to be OK.

I don't have to ACT.



The man threw away 11 million dollars. If you don't call that stupid it says something about your own IQ.



I think anybody in life should be grateful to an employer who paid them so they can take care of their family. I am grateful to everybody I ever worked for, and I bet you never heard me bash any of them. Now if you think being unloyal, ungrateful, and selfish are good qualities in a person then

WTF does our record have to do with Pryor turing down 11 million bucks

11 - 6 = 5 ....

Just sayin ...

U gonna start that bottle and can redemption charity for the poor fella or should I ...

pssst his total guarantee was for 17 million.

17-6 = 11

Your going to have to start his fund. We don't get returns for bottles and cans here any more.

32.5 - 6 = stupid

I said previously that Britt made 17 mill for one year (his gauranteed money if he gets cut .. AND HE DAMM WELL BETTER GET RLEASED) .. U told me he was only getting 11 milll ...

U can’t use witch ever number u like based on the argument your making at that particular time ....

Prolly a mis understanding ... so please .. pick a number as i’m confused ... then i’ll BLOW YOUR BS up based on that number ....

Seriously ... did his agent call our FO to accept the one year deal from us like i read on here a while back or was that BS? ...

Hi Otis ...

Not having confidence in yourself = WUSSY ...

That was a fun game ...

So we can agree that he was confidently stupid.

That's probably why he was calling the Browns moments before he signed that stupid contract.

Pryor was placed on IR today.

Let me slow it down so you can understand. Pryor's offer was for more salary than Britt's and had a 17 million gaunantee. Britt's gaurantee is only for 10.5 Million.

So you see I am saying the same thing I always said and using the correct numbers. You my fine sir have yourself all confused.

Now if you want to blow something up.... take your best shot.

Guess that confirms he was faking the injury. LOL

Your not a liar so i wont ask for a link ...

Never knew that .... interesting ... thanks for the info ...

How about my other question ... about pryors agent calling to accept the deal before signing with Washington ... u gonna answer that one .....

Before I BLAST AWAY and u know im going down fighting ... u wouldn’t expect less from me .. *L* ... I need to retreat and re-group and come up with a plan ...

Waiting for your answer to the phone call question should give me enough time ...

Did he call to accept the 4 year deal... no. Did he call and try go get the Browns to offer a one year deal.... yes.



I know you won't go down without a fight, and your right I wouldn't expect anything else bro

and what I wonder is how genuine that was. Would they even signed, or was it just to have something to show Washington to get them to up their offer? Would he have stayed anyway, or were we just getting played by an agent so they could try to milk more from Washington?

That's the thing that folks don't take into consideration: how the player/agent always get to be the one to go back to the team in negotiations. At some point, though, the team is damned if they do, damned if they don't, but the agent can keep going back and forth between two or more teams trying to get them to up previous offers. Eventually, one will balk and step out and when things come out in the paper the agent gets to say "we went back to them before signing with 'xxxx'".

I think this is what the anti-front office people are calling "winning the deal." And that our guys upstais are more interested in being right about the player and their contract instead of actually getting the player.

But what they don't understand is that the Browns offered the most, why would a team who made the best offer to a player, offer more because a player says if you don't increase your offer, I'm going to take this other "weaker" deal to go to this other place instead. I believe Eo says this all the time about the Pryor deal.

The players are trying to use their own leverage to get more money from a team, essentially saying "I know you need me more than I need you, so let's go, pay me!" But the Browns won't have it. And this is what I believe the anti-front office folks are terming "winning the deal."

Call it what you want, the Browns made the correct moves here.

That BS Purp ... u obviously have very very little to no business experience ... ever sat in on a contract negotiation? ... i have ...

1st off ... WHO CARES IF THEY “USE” US TO GET MORE ... what do we care .... worst case in that situation ... we made one of our 31 OPPONENTS in cap space have less cap space to use elsewhere ... thats a direct benifit to us ...

U guys act like some girls using U to buy her dinner and drinks and then she goes home with the bartender ...

Another benifit is that agents talk ... so if were known as the team to be “used” to get more out of where your client really wants to sign ... the agent will call ... u tell the agent ... no problem ... before we make the offer we want your client in here to meet with us face to face so we get a feel for him ... then u at least got him in ... WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS THEN ... but before the phone call from the agent ... we had ZERO SHOT of getting him in ..

99 out of 100 times in that scenario ... your going no where ... WHO CARES ... the downside if we make the best offer and get used is once again we made one of our 32 opponents in cap space use more of theirs ....

Please explain to me what EXACTLY WE LOSE or HOW IT HURTS US if we make our best offer and they use it to get more from someone else ....

Plus there’s a REALLY REALLY SIMPLE SOLUTION ... actually a few of them ...

1. Its not as simple as this as theres some “foreplay” before u get here .. but this is what it boils down too ...

We’ll match the offer he has now ... THATS IT ... not a penny more ... get back to us ...

2. Make a better offer and tell them its good for about 2 minutes .... then its off the table ... they have no time to “use” U ...

It seems like our FO has decided to take a HARD LINE about this based off what they did with Schwartz and refusing to let him accept the initial offer ... thats one way to go ... and IMO its a VERY STUPID WAY TO GO ....

Drawing hard lines in negotiations turns the people on the other side of the negotiations off ...

But again ... PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS TO MAKING OUR BEST OFFER even if we think there just using us? ...

That makes no sense to me ... i’m Not sure what WE’VE LOST ... where as if we don’t make it ... WE’VE LOST THE CHANCE TO SIGN THE PLAYER ...

There is absolutely zero BS in any of what I wrote. It simply is as I stated.





Scenario:

We make our best offer. It is a good and fair offer, and the best the player has gotten.
Agent talks to another team, gets them to match or slightly increase.
Agent comes back to us and asks us to up our offer...


What do you do? Do you up your best offer?
How many times do you do that? Do you just keep going until you've outbid everyone just because you can? Do you spend like a drunken sailor?
At what point is our best offer enough to satisfy people that they tried enough?

j/c:

I have read a lot of posts over the years about how the players and their agents were trying to use the teams and how their practices are shady and self-motivated. I'd say that is probably true.

What I rarely read is that NFL teams do the same damn thing. LOL..........they aren't angels who are being used by evil people.

Both sides do what is best for them and they really don't give a damn about the other side unless it benefits their own bottom line.

Oh, no doubt both sides are the same and just as devious as the other. That's not the point I was making, however. I was just pointing out that in the court of public opinion, the players & agents get that extra card to play of "I went back to team 'xxx' for an offer and they said nothing (or whatever)", and they have that because they are the ones in the middle.

Both sides absolutely do what they feel is best for them while trying to be Win-Win with the other side in a way they can live with. That's the bottom line.

I hear you and I wasn't attacking you. That is why I put "j/c." At least I think I did.

I was just adding to your posts to give a more well-rounded perspective. No biggie.

Ditto with my last reply; just augmenting the thoughts.

You've really just become a parody of yourself at this point with this schtick.

Well, just hire BUTCH DAVIS again, and we have a unbeatable combination...

#1 in cap space and elite deal maker with an elite coach that can recognize talent, and you end up with a team that can win the SB.

Having a cap guru with a coach that cannot recognize talent is indeed a loser combo.

Whatever makes your skivvies tingle, mac.

My take is that we have a football side and a business side, and the problems are on the football side.

So unless we have evidence that the business side is going against the decisions of the football side, I say that the main problem is the Football side.

I have troubles believing that Hue is BB twin and he's being blocked by Sashi.

The main problem is that the Football guys in the Browns organization suck, and maybe the business guys also suck, but that's a whole different story.

I was kidding with the Butch thing, but actually it makes a lot of sense. We need a football coach like Butch, and someone like Sashi not to let him get overboard and risk the business side.

Duck & dive? lol!
I'm laughing at you, man.

I'm not sure you understand how the salary cap works in football. It's not a soft cap like in the NBA.

It's sickening to read at this point.

He doesn't understand much.

No. He's not.

Well, how much for ONE win? I have scaled back my expectations quite a bit. I am willing to settle.