DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns HC Hue Jackson Wants More Say In Personnel Matters Moving Forward

Same HC, same FO... no turnover, no changes.= no wins

Probably not... he strikes me as soft and easily swayed.

Luckily, we have draft picks which equal "changes."

Unfortunately, I think changing staff would only set our youngsters back. Since we're comprised almost entirely of youngsters, that probably wouldn't end well.

While I've complained about Hue's system, I think we're reaching the point where having a huge playbook might finally pay off/we might soon be able to actually use all of it. I don't think changing things now before we reap the benefits makes sense.

I wouldn't mind Hue bringing in a young protégé to steep in his system and eventually turn some responsibility over to, but beyond that, I don't want wholesale changes. Forget the FO, that's my Peyton Manning role pipe dream (young being somewhat a matter of perspective in this case).

Turnover, different FO, different coach = no wins too, though. Hahaha. We're just doomed to death IMO.

[quote=Versatile Dog]Gush?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/07/browns_sashi_brown_our_expecta.html



I could probably find more, but this will do. He's even talking about 20 wins....lol I feel sorry for the guy. He doesn't know how to be a head coach. A head coach needs to sound like there are a lot of question marks. He doesn't need to be talking about 20 wins. That alone tells me the guy isn't very smart.

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Vers.....Hue isn't a head coach. He might be cooler, but the same guy.

None of these guys survive 1-31 ... none. Nor should they. This ain't beanbag; Haslam has to know he's losing his fan base. I live and work here - people aren't PO'd, they're indifferent. Look at the empty seats in the stadium recently.

We talked about it upstairs a our expectation

just like when he has to pick a qb to start.. talks upstars lol

For some reason I think everyone survives and gets one more year.

Its another level of bricks in a growing wall between the organization and a once-adoring fan base, if that happens. This isn't just some rinse/repeat theme that folks here like to post when someone fails and gets fired; this is organizational dysfunction of freaking biblical proportions. Shall we go for 1-47? Not me.

This is my thuoght exactly... I really liked the hue hire... wants him to do well.... but have been disappointed so far with his coaching... I still think he can turn it around...

jay, do you think Hue is more responsible for our record than the FO?

Locker room Hue getting more out of players and relating well, great! Clock manager, fail. Great interview giver. Poor in red zone. Weak in judgment, enough to be questionable in my book.

Needs more say perhaps. But when you run out of snake oil and kool aid, there must be more. I am not a fan because of Hue but in spite of Hue. More of the same will yield more of the same. We may have done better with the PS than we did in two drafts. Change it.

Keep em all, but not the same.

I think it's a combination.... I know that's a cop out answer.... but our front offense tore this team to the studs.... most of their moves I've been fine with but some were awful.... getting rid of Mack was a hue mistake... but I also expected a lot from hue 'this year... his handling of the qb situation this year has been horrid.... I expected us to have around 3-4 wins at this point... so I expected to be bad but blame hue for being this bad...

jay............I guess my point is that the FO tore it down. I am not really asking you to "blame" them. What I am asking you to do is try and understand that Sashi and Haslam both said this was a multi-year plan and that they both knew that they would lose a ton of games these first two years.

Yet, people want to act like this all on Hue.

That is unfair!!!!

I agree... which is why I hope hue doesn't go anywhere... I think he's made mistakes but for the most part they shouldn't be firable.... of course this latest usiness with airing things out in the media I think won't sit well with his boss...

I pray that he gets another year but he brings in some more offensive help... I think he needs an offensive coordinator...

You are a reasonable man, jay.

Thanks vers... I don't claim to know a lot about football so typically I read moreover than post... I also try to look at the good... I think it'd be unfair to fire hue after this year unless he wants out...

Edit: but I still think he has room to improve

Totally agree with this.

You've always been fair. For as long as I can remember. We don't always agree, but you are a fair poster.

jay, you bring up an interesting point: I wonder if Hue will even want to remain here? I never understood why he took the job w/us in the first place. He was the hottest candidate--by far---and I was shocked when we were able to hire him. I always wondered what Haslam told him in order to get him to sign w/us instead of the other teams that wanted him.

I now wonder if he is sick of how he is taking so much blame and the FO is skating? I wonder if he feels that he is the fall guy? I wonder if he thinks this is a toxic environment? I wonder if it will be similar to when Shanny wanted out of such a toxic environment?

Not saying that will happen, but I think it might be a possibility.

I agree... I'd be more surprised if he was fired vs if he quit...

Hue has made in game mistakes no doubt but to put all the blame on him is unfair. IMO there is very little to blame him for. The FO put their plan into effect and that's what we are seeing right now. Hue would look a lot better with better skill position players not to mention a good FS and a top CB. That's why we need to stay the course and have another draft and FA period. If we are still in this mess a year from now then it's time to at least start thinking about changes. We need to give it more time.

Yes we do.

A major part of our problem developing a damn QB is the CONSTANT offensive scheme turnovers.

It's critical that we go into next year with the SAME Offense for the 3rd straight year. It's a HUGE help if we go into next year with the same Defense.

You guys need to be careful what you wish for. New HC, new OC,new DC is what you want? Ok. Get the NEXT names lined up when this newly desired OC takes a HC gig. Then that new DC takes a HC gig.

Some of you guys are so damn impatient it's pathetic.

Our record sux. We know that. The 1st 2 years of this should be WIPED OUT. And I mean CLEAN SLATE starting in January. THEN the clock starts in August.

We're sitting on a gold mine with $ and picks the likes of no other team in HISTORY has ever seen. We've got SIX picks in the first 65 or 66. And potentially TWO in the Top 10 of rounds 1&2. That's INSANE.

We've passed on QB'S for sure. But NOT ONE of them were deemed sure fire hits. Not a Damn One.

We have positioned ourselves PERFECTLY for this coming off season and this FO deserves credit for it.

Haslam. BE PATIENT. We have a golden opportunity to reap rewards of our efforts soon.

We need pieces. We can get them ALL in 2018.

If we deem necessary to make changes AFTER next year, so be it. This team will be LOADED with TALENT.

QFT...

Last 2 posts are where I’m at. Patience. Keep your head when all around are losing theirs and you’ll be a man or something.

"We're sitting on a gold mine with $ and picks the likes of no other team in HISTORY has ever seen. "

And when was the last time this team was even CLOSE to spending the cap ?

Butch Davis ? I wonder sometimes if Haslem even has the money to spend with all the issues and partnerships he has going on.. Makes a person wonder if MONEY is an issue. The league doesn't make a team spend anywhere near the max cap.

And the bad stuff for Jimmy is yet to come..

http://www.wkyc.com/news/investigations/...trial/491865566

If he knew he deserves what he gets.

At this point what is being said isn't a surprise. All of this stuff has been known for 5 years, yet Haslam hasn't been charged.

It doesn't matter what people think. Proof has to be provided. The people on trial have been saying that Haslam had to know since the beginning of this, but none can provide any e-mails, letters, video, etc.

I think if Hue is brought back next year, and I am leaning that way, I think he should have final say in the 53 man roster. A coach needs that.

Yea.. I agree. May not be enough to have someone or several people say he knew, with no proof. Mixed feelings here.... Few if any people at the top have gotten there without a shady deal or two. You know how many times Bill Gates and Microsoft have been sued ? Pharmaceutical companies ? Auto manufacturers ? They all have bean counters and assess the risks versus rewards. Don't make it right but its what they do.

Yea.. I agree. May not be enough to have someone or several people say he knew, with no proof. Mixed feelings here.... Few if any people at the top have gotten there without a shady deal or two. You know how many times Bill Gates and Microsoft have been sued ? Pharmaceutical companies ? Auto manufacturers ? They all have bean counters and assess the risks versus rewards. Don't make it right but its what they do.

I don't totally agree with that. A coach might think more year to year where somebody else might be thinking more 2-3 years down the road.


No doubt the coach needs some say, but he might want to keep that guy who has one year left and can help him this year. Based on Hues record, I wouldn't give him much say since winning a couple of games is his only goal.

No matter what, if he is 3-45 after next season, we can't keep the guy.

I don't agree with that either. Let Hue focus on coaching because he needs to be better. Hue can make all the recommendations he wants in terms of guys he likes and would like to stay, but roster control should be with the FO. If people want Sashi to be removed of that responsibility, that's a different topic ( something I also don't agree on) but I feel strongly no matter how the structure is, and who in the department does it, the FO should almost always have roster control. Hue can determine, as he does now, who suits up on Sunday.

I honestly believe Hue won't be here next year. I think Hue has input into the players on the team. I believe that was in the plan the front office laid, and it's widely known that Hue had strong input on the quarterback position. People can speculate all they want on who Hue wanted at quarterback, but I don't think the front office lied or went back on their word when they said Hue was going to be relied upon when it comes to quarterback.

I think if we were terrible at every phase of the game, then yes, everybody could be let go. However, with the defense much improved I think this bodes well for the front office.

I think the one scenario that won't play out is Hue stays and the front office is fired. Jimmy said 5 weeks ago he was really pleased with the front office, so the front office being fired and Hue seems unlikely. I can't imagine everyone fired either, or Jimmy will never look like a continuity guy, but it's more likely than just the front office being let go. So that leaves either everyone stays or just hue is fired. At 1-15 (again) or 0-16, change will be required, so Hue will need to win a few games to keep his job. I think at 0-12 we could even see Hue fired.

Overall, I tend to agree with this. I think your prediction is the most likely scenario. I think, in order, it goes down like this:

1. FO stays, Hue goes
2. FO stays, Hue stays.
3. FO goes, Hue goes.
4. FO goes, Hue stays.

Primarily because a if a new FO comes in, they most likely would fire Hue anyway and bring in their own HC. I mean, why would a new FO keep a coach that is a part of such a bad record. And because of that, it baffles me that Hue would go through the media to play the power game, when in reality, the only real way to stick around here, in my opinion, is going in stride with the what the plan has always been the day he was hired. His approach recently has been mind boggling. I mean, if you get fired after two seasons after saying publicly in each and every press conference you are "100% with the plan", at least you could say in your interviews next go around that you said those things publicly to save face as an organization. Now, with all the leaking, he just looks SO bad, transparent, and desperate.

That said, the above order is not how I would hope it plays out. With how poorly Hue played the PR game, it's not fair to judge him as a HC. Maybe as a person (unfortunately), but not as a HC. There is a lot of youth on this team. That should be noted, even by him.

I think something to keep in mind is the reporting structure here in Berea so if Hue is fired, I don't think it's Sashi's call. If I recall correctly, but maybe not-- Sashi, Hue, and Depo report to Haslem independently. So if anyone is fired, it seemingly comes from Haslem directly. Just something to keep in mind for people that like the "Sashi is a snake for firing Hue narrative" if that's the way it goes down. He might not have the power, luckily for some.

Bingo! And as 'peen stated, the FO must also focus in the longer term in order to achieve sustainability...

What will firing Hue accomplish?

That's crazy talk. . .so I support it. Don't fix blame, fix problems.

By the gods, it might work. Be still my heart!

Go, Browns!

Hue should have more say. But I hope Sashi or someone else brings in an OC. I would bring in Mike McCoy.

Hue has a lot on his plate, and i think he's spread too thin.

The example I point to is his playcalling. I don't think Hue forgot how to run an offense, he had Andy Dalton playing like an pro-bowl QB. But he's got some much going on as HC and OC that I don't think we're getting his best in either area.