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Thanks for notifying me that football is an individual sport and not a team sport.

I'm notifying you that your useless efforts at pasting a stat to try and prove this QB is good or this one isn't is freaking played out ...
If your own eyes can't see it your mind never will.

bah, this is nothing... you shoulda been around for The Deadbate™ (a.k.a. The Couch-Holcomb Chronicles©).

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The only man left to pimp is Ken Dorsey.

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LMFAO! You should have been here about 4 years ago!

Ken Dorsey for Jesus in 2008

LOL! Shadup!

LOL You are so correct BigC,,, it's almost too funny

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bah, this is nothing... you shoulda been around for The Deadbate™ (a.k.a. The Couch-Holcomb Chronicles©).

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Oh man that was just horrible,,,,, I think Peen and I were ready to kill each other But then he found out I wasn't a kid when he saw a picture of me, and he lightened up on me after that.,.,,,

now he's back to wanting to kill me again all because he and I will never agree on a QB...LOL Too funny

Soon, I'll be able to add Attack Dawg to the list of posters that will NEVER agree with me about a QB........ Wait, in fact, he's already on that list..LOL

Just clicking...I can't believe the media is enamored with Anderson the way they are.

He's a practice QB who is highly inaccurate in game situations...until he proves otherwise and so far he hasn't.

Frye is not a great QB but he can be a winning QB.

BQ is our QB of the future...no ifs, ands or butts about it.

Cutler...although from Vanderbilt a good school in Tennessee - he ain't quite a great QB yet. Actually he hasn't reached that threshold of proving he is a Bust 1st rounder or possible QB who will be around a long time.

I saw him play a lot last year...He wasn't impressive despite the media being GAGA over him.

JMHO

I wonder where this stuff about anderson being a great practice QB came from. Apparently few saw him last year in camp lol. Although all 3 sucked so bad in camp last year it was pretty pathetic.

My guess is that Quinn signs before Joe Thomas.
The battle for top QB will be between Quinn and Frye with Quinn winning and CF becoming a reliable backup.
Derek Anderson will be dealt away before the 1st preseason game...that is why he is getting the most press these days.

Will Quinn be ready by the Pitts game...my guess is that he will do no worse than CF would while every positive play will become reason for some fans to celebrate.
Brady Quinn is the future...RAC is not the future...maybe not even the present until Turkey Day.
Quinn plays and learns...makes some great plays and blows some assignments.....this years results depend upon our Defense [esp. LB. pressure] and an improved running game.

C. Frye will accept his role and stay with the Browns for a few more years as an able and qualified backup. The kid has some talent and even more guts....
unfortunately for him- BQ has been anointed the future.

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Just clicking...I can't believe the media is enamored with Anderson the way they are.

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I'm betting they are not,, I'm betting they write the stuff they write just to get the people talking..... You know, to get a buzz started..

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I've noticed that about a lot of people. They'll coddle #9, trash Anderson and write off the thought of starting Quinn.

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I on the other hand, Coddle them all,, ,they are after all, members of the Cleveland Browns ya know Anyway, nothing we say is going to matter in the end,,

These guys all have to prove it on the field in Preseason and in camp.. that's how they win the job as starting QB.. Talking don't get it done.

and as I've said a MILLION times,, I frankly don't care who wins the job.. Dammit RAC,, just put the guy out there that give us the best chance to be competitive,,, and maybe win a few games,,,

Isn't that all that really matters anyway?

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I've noticed that about a lot of people. They'll coddle #9, trash Anderson and write off the thought of starting Quinn. I'm actually pretty startled at how many people would be ready to pack it in if Anderson won the job...if anything it'd tell us just how bad #9 really was.

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I trash Anderson but I don't coddle Frye. I bash you for your silly thing about not typing Frye's name. Frye was able to do well in college, something Anderson was never able to do.

Frye dropped to the 3rd round because of his lack of physical talent. Anderson dropped to the 3rd because of his football ability. He has all the physical talents of a NFL starter but huge problems with accuracy and decision making. The guy had over 50 int's in college to go with his 50% completion ratings. I think his best was 55%. Now that was college but I cannot see him improving on such a poor record. Frye certainly played better in college than he has in the pros, not much of a surprise. Fry can still improve to be a starter in this league but I feel he will turn into a number 2 QB somewhere. Brady is by far ahuge upgrade as far as physical abilities (like Anderson is) and has shown good ability at a big time school. I still have my doubts about him but feel he will be better than Frye. I don't know if he can be elite but he does have the potential to get us where we would like to go. What I find funny is all those on here who say we need to give Brady three years before we can evaluate him but are throwing Frye out with the bath water so quickly.

Now you claim it was a drunken rant when you came on here and blasted Frye for not being any good because he wouldnn't give you an autograph. That might be true but you continue not to type Frye's name makes you look silly and immature.

Just about everyone listed Frye as a 2nd round QB. Some had him possibly going late 1st round and not a single one had him going any later than early 3rd round.

Friendly Reminder of SI's scouting report pre-draft on Frye and Anderson

Sports Illustrated
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/64307.html
Derek Anderson
POSITIVES: Big, strong pocket passer with a live arm. Patient when given time, waits for receivers to come free, then tosses the ball. Leads receivers over the middle, gets the ball downfield and displays solid long accuracy. Puts air under the deep throw letting receivers run to the ball. Places his throws in a spot where only his receiver can make the reception or threads a needle between defenders. Throws with an over-the-top delivery and possesses a quick release.

NEGATIVES: Stares down intended targets from the get-go, and slow going to secondary receivers. Tends to direct his passes. Makes poor reads, shaky under pressure and seemingly predetermines where he will throw the ball, no matter if it's into triple or double coverage. Must improve his overall footwork as he drifts in the pocket and releases the ball off his back foot.

ANALYSIS: A passer with the physical skills to play at the next level, Anderson made strides as a senior, lessening the errant throws. That being the case, he still has a ways to go with his decision-making, poise under pressure and overall quarterback intangibles. Size and arm strength make him worth a second-day pick.

PROJECTION: Late Fourth Round

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/61810.html
Charlie Frye
POSITIVES: Nice-sized passer and a natural, smart leader. Sets up in the pocket with good footwork, remains poised and goes through receiver progressions, buying time for wideouts. Senses the rush, scrambles to elude defenders and tosses to the safe underneath route if nothing is available downfield. Displays good field awareness and very good at finding the open wideout. Throws with an over-the-top delivery displaying zip on the short throws and the ability to quickly get the ball into the intended targets hands. Nicely times the outs, places long throws well and tosses the ball away if nothing is available. Tough competitor who plays while injured.

NEGATIVES: Steps out of throws on occasion, which adversely affects his accuracy. Possesses a solid arm, yet does not have the gun to drive deep throws.

ANALYSIS: A signal-caller who.s displayed progress throughout his college career, Frye offers both the physical and mental intangibles for the next level. More athletic than given credit for and can be used in a variety of passing offenses. Needs time to consistently play at a higher level of competition, yet a solid top-60 choice who significantly improved his stock with a good Senior Bowl showing.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

NEGATIVES: Stares down intended targets from the get-go, and slow going to secondary receivers. Tends to direct his passes. Makes poor reads, shaky under pressure and seemingly predetermines where he will throw the ball, no matter if it's into triple or double coverage. Must improve his overall footwork as he drifts in the pocket and releases the ball off his back foot.

These are the weaknesses that I doubt he'll never overcome and actually some of the very same ones that others notice.

And what was Brady Quinn's projection again?

DORSEY!

This might be reaching, but what was Brett Favres and Joe Montana Scouting report? What did the scouts think of them..

I'd find it interesting to look at those reports and the see how thier careers turned out,, Bernies would be another I'd be interested in seeing.. This might actually be food for another thread on it's own... any ideas how to get those reports...

Damanshot, I do not think Favre or Montana's pre-draft scouting reports will be easy to find.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/1217.html

Ken Dorsey
POSITIVES: Technically and mentally sound QB that may lack the physical skills for the next level. Stands strong in the pocket sensing the rush, scans the field and finds the open target. Reads the blitz, poised and always displays a good sense of where his receivers are. Natural looking off the safety, sets his feet and throws with an over the top motion. Sells all his fakes, does not make bad choices or force throws. Smartly places shorter passes in front of targets and lets them run to the ball.

NEGATIVES: Thinly built and possesses only marginal arm strength. Must put a lot of effort into throws to get velocity on them and usually high of the mark. Cannot drive the ball downfield and long passes float.

ANALYSIS: A lot like former Ohio State QB Joe Germaine; mentally gifted and surrounded by great talent but physically limited.

PROJECTION: Late Fifth Round

Just noticed SI over valued on where all 4 current Browns QB's would end up getting drafted

Quinn - SI said, early 1st round - actual, late 1st round
Frye - SI said, late 2nd round - actual, early 3rd round
Anderson - SI said, late 4th round - actual, late 6th round
Dorsey - SI said, late 5th round - actual, late 7th round

And who but you cares what SI values?

Evaluation sites and services aren't always going to be 100% accurate...32 teams, 32 different draft boards, each running a different scheme, and each having different needs can drastically alter where a player gets drafted. So it's not like SI is stupid for those predictions.

I know but this is like using a stat for Mensa...gotta know how he thinks..

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And who but you cares what SI values?

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Oh come on Attack, don't knock Mensa,, several people asked him to post that info and he did..... what's wrong with that?

I was referring to his last post..and I know Mensa is a Soup clone..they'll use anything like a stat..
Don't take it personal..wasn't meant for U...

Don't worry about Attack. He dislikes me because I use numbers in my posts. I think he's scared of numbers.

Attack believes his opinion based on only eye witness account is more relevant than someone else's opinion based on eye witness acount and statistics.

I guess we should all accept this as a fact
Attack's Opinion > Someone else's Opinion + statistics


I see Frye as a QB that has the potential to get better and be successful in the NFL. I use stats to back up the claim that he 'could'.

Attack believes Frye is the worst QB to ever play in the NFL and has no stats to back it up. It's all from his opinion.

clicking on you.

I can't wait til Romeo names a starter during camp, so that the debate can be put to rest (for a few days ).

Slightly overrates? They aren't predicting the weather, it's an attempt to guess what round a guy COULD go in. Why don't list other positions too, and you'll see that it happens at every position.

Don't worry about Attack. He dislikes me because I use numbers in my posts. I think he's scared of numbers.

Oh brother.. I don't dislike you..I dislike the fact that you try to use stats to prove what your eyes and common sense should be yelling at you.

Attack believes Frye is the worst QB to ever play in the NFL and has no stats to back it up.
Thats right because I never ever said that..but use a stat to prove otherwise.

I think you're talking to someone else.
Thanks.

I just hit the fast reply, so yeah I was talking to someone else above you.

Mensa likes stats,,, that's fine,, and I bet if you just ask him two simple questions,,,,, Such as:

Mensa, Do you believe that Stats tell the whole story? and Do you believe that stats are the only measure of a player?


I bet what you will find is that doesn't believe Stats tell the whole story,, and I bet he will tell you that Stats are NOT the only measure of a player.

But I bet he does tell you that Stats can disprove someones belief that a player totally stinks or is totally the best at his position..

I haven't discussed any of this with Mensa so if I'm wrong about what he'd say then Mensa, I'm sorry for putting words in your mouth... But I bet I'm not far off.

I think that Mensa and Soup look at stats as another tool in the toolbox but not the ONLY tool in the toolbox..

I'm sure as reasonable men, we can agree that Stats are just another tool to be used, but not a tool to be relied upon as the only truth.

Stats can tell you a QB tossed X number of INT's, but it can't tell you that X number of those were in the arms of a receiver and the receivers botched the reception and it bounced into the hands of a defender...

But if you want to believe that that particular QB is horrible, then the pure and simple stat of X INT's can give you proof of your position... Doesn't make it right, but hey,, it proves a point if you are short sighted enough to believe it.

Just one example, but I'm sure we can think of hundreds more.

JMO However

<------ This guy is gonna go make his Dorsey jersey at NFL shop...you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.