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This i certainly agree with. Quinn has all the stars aligned but a holdout following two blunders of an autograph session will turn him into the guy everyone loves to hate. Privilege and entitlement arent something that goes over well with the blue collar fanbase. I shouldnt have fallen in the draft therefore pay me top 10 money aint gonna cut it. It will get nasty if he isnt there when the vets show.
Maybe for some. But I don't really give a damn.
If he keeps out of trouble,produces and can be a quality franchise QB/Leader of our team,I don't care how arrogant he is.
I don't care if he won't give me an autograph. I don't care if he runs down the tunnel without waving to the fans.
He got selected to do a job. If he does it well and stays out of trouble,to hell with everything else.
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Oh I'm so touched by your defense of Mensa..
Thanks and you can rest assured that I will come to your defense when it's needed,,
Oh wait,, you were making fun of me weren't you,, Damn, that was so slick it just about went over my head 
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No mensa,, I see your point very clearly.. take another example about fumbles,, Payton Manning, argueably the best QB playing the game today,,,(well, him and Tom Brady I guess) is sitting at 5.41%, 7 spots higher than Frye, yet Manning plays 8 games a year in the dome... Manning has/had a terrific Oline that only allowed something like 17 sacks (I'm not 100% on that total but it's close) Frye played most all games outdoors with an oline that allowed 4 million sacks (I'm not sure of that number either, but I think it's close  ) Point being, some people never want to look at that.. they just look at stats and say,, well that guy is a fumbler... so from that point on, no matter what happens,, if he never fumbles again,,, to some people, he's still a fumbler.. It's insane.. you use stats as an adjunct,, not as the end all be all measurement,,, Right?
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" I laugh everytime someone backs up an opinion with the phrase, "I use my eyes to formulate my opinion"...
Dang...so you laugh at every single one of my Posts
We all do Eo,, We all do
Just pulling your chain man! 
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I found a site that has 10 QB evaluations for the 2000 draft. Including Tom Bradyhttp://archive.profootballweekly.com/con...ANNI%20CARMAZZIThe 10 QB's they evaluate are Chad Pennington Chris Redman Tee Martin Giovanni Carmazzi Tim Rattay Tom Brady Marc Bulger Joe hamilton Todd Husak Doug Johnson Tom BradyPositives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader. Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the ’99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you’d like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can’t drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own. Summary: Is not what you’re looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone. I also found Spergon Wynn's college Statistics Spergon Wynn played at the ever great Southwest Texas State. 1998 - 10 TD's - 6 INT's - 60.92% comp % - 1851 passing yards 1999 - 14 TD's - 13 INT's - 49.85% comp % - 1646 passing yards
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This i certainly agree with. Quinn has all the stars aligned but a holdout following two blunders of an autograph session will turn him into the guy everyone loves to hate. Privilege and entitlement arent something that goes over well with the blue collar fanbase. I shouldnt have fallen in the draft therefore pay me top 10 money aint gonna cut it. It will get nasty if he isnt there when the vets show.
It's pretty sad Brady is taking heat over an autograph session...
He doesnt set the prices the promoters that pay him set the prices. I know some people are old school and dont like the whole monetary side of pro sports, but it is what it is.
Quite frankly, I think the whole autograph thing is absurd.
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Wow mensa,, If you look at that evaluation of Tom Brady,, you would have to pass on him in the draft,, or take him in the later rounds,,,
LOL,, cracks me up,
Mensa, you have to be the greatest human on the planet for digging up stuff,,, amazing,,
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I agree but i know how the majority of Browns fans think and the crowd can go from woo hoo to FU in a very short time span especially when they feel they are being disrespected. Ask Butch about what his comment about Browns fans did for his NFL career lol The same happened for Alvin McKinley.
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Mensa I gotta give you props. You are sticking by your boy Charlie Frye and bringing up scouting reports from the Titanic or wherever else you can find them regarding ole Chuck.....
You are hanging in there..I've been in your shoes many times.....
heres the kicker on Charlie Frye......
Judging from what I saw last year on Charlie with my own eyes,the game itself did not slow down from him. Charlie is slow when it comes down to dissecting a defense. I don' t know if thats because Rip Scherer could be a poor qb coach,or Charlie had a less than great qb's coach at Akron.
But it looked like Charlie thought at times he was still at Akron University.
Charlie physically is well built for a qb. But it just looks like he lacks it between the ears..where it counts the most.
Charlie at best could be a very good #2 QB. But he's already shown that is not starter quailty for 16 games.
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And I got your point to Mour.
And I agree that Browns fans are fickle in that way.
But on a serious note. A guy who's a little cocky and has that confident edge,can often times use that as an asset on the field. It often commands the respect of his team mates. Often times being strong willed and abundantly confident comes off as arrogant.
Myself,as long as he performs well and actually plays the role of a field general,leads our teams to victory and is a quality mainstay at the QB position,he will have earned my respect and be a great asset to our team.
And for me,that's the bottom line. I think too many people want the poster boy of "nice". And that's a great thing. Now I'll use Charlie as an example. I like Charlie and wish him the best. And I hope with an improved OL,that he will be much better.
But let's face it,if Charlie isn't "terribly effective" yet decent,and Quinn lights it up. (just for the sake of this discussion)
Would you rather have the "nice guy everyone likes{" and go 6-10,or somebody you "think" may be a little stuck on himself that takes you to 10-6?
I'll take the 10-6 and be happy about it. Like I said,I really hope Charlie "lights it up" with a better OL. But looking at the physical skills comparison between the two,Quinns "potential" appears quite superior to Frye's. So odds are,Quinn has the ability to "Be da man!"
If that's the case,I'll take it even if he has a slight chip on his shoulder and oozes with conficence and cockiness. Often times,some of the greats have resembled that. And I have no problem with that if he's a winner.
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I like Frye alot and i would love nothing more than to see him have success but I rip on him as bad as anyone for his poor play lol soo favorites aint got a whole lot to do with it.
Now I am one that believes Quinn is for real but he will have a lot better chance for success with the fan base behind him than booing at every incomplete pass.
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with the fan base behind him than booing at every incomplete pass.
The fan base is behind him right now, but then again, he hasn't thrown an INT yet... 
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I shouldnt have fallen in the draft therefore pay me top 10 money aint gonna cut it. It will get nasty if he isnt there when the vets show
Quinn doesn't want top 10 money.....according to reports he wants escalators that make him payed like a starting QB in years 4 and 5, and that's the hold up. He just wants his money if he proves himself to be an established starter by that time, and he's right and the FO should give him his incentives and get it over with............same with Joe getting his #3 pick money. I could care less what a bunch of losers who don't have the brain power to look at a negotiation objectivly think, and I'm sure Quinn/Joe don't either.
As Pitt said who cares if he produces.......screw the dolts.
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If that's the scenario, I'm 100% certain Savage and Co. would have already signed Quinn.
No way the sides are squabbling about years 4 and 5 escalators...no way. That's a no-brainer in his contract.
Where did you hear/read that?
edit: there's a difference in getting "starter money" and Palmer/Brady/Manning money which might be the reason the sides are squabbling about escalators. I'm sure the Quinn camp thinks this is where he'll be in 4-5 years, so...
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ESPN last night, and it's also on one of the "big" websites. Quinn wants escalators later in the contract, and we don't want to pay it. Granted the info could be faulty, but Clayton seemed to act like he had a fairly good source, and my guess is Condon. Therefore, I doubt Condon lies about something like that, becuase Opie and Co. could call him on it, and it would be a PR nightmare for Quinn.
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ESPN last night, and it's also on one of the "big" websites. Quinn wants escalators later in the contract, and we don't want to pay it. Granted the info could be faulty, but Clayton seemed to act like he had a fairly good source, and my guess is Condon. Therefore, I doubt Condon lies about something like that, becuase Opie and Co. could call him on it, and it would be a PR nightmare for Quinn.
There's a difference in getting "starter money" escalators and Palmer/Brady/Manning money which might be the reason the sides are squabbling about escalators. I'm sure the Quinn camp thinks this is where he'll be in 4-5 years, so...
I edited my original post, and if the sides are squabbling over escaltors this is likely the scenario.
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Bro he wants incentives to where if he's playing on that level he's payed on that level.........I have no problem with that, and think we should give him his incentives. If he's not where out nothing, and if he is we don't have to go through another hold out 3 years from now, because we are already giving him what he's worth.
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IF THE INCENTIVES are just that(and it's probably something else too) let him have that.. if he can reach that level thats better for us in the long run..
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Incentives can be complicated, especially if the sides are talking about big money incentives.
For example, what would the benchmarks be? Games played? Games started? Stats? Wins and Losses? It can be tricky.
Best believe the Quinn camp is asking for games started and Cleveland wants some kind of combination of those I listed. You don't want to guarantee a guy big money off games started, because Quinn can start games and not play at a high level/earn that big check - as he is the QB of the foreseeable future he will start a ton of games, regardless of performance...
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Judging from what I saw last year on Charlie with my own eyes,the game itself did not slow down from him. Charlie is slow when it comes down to dissecting a defense. I don' t know if thats because Rip Scherer could be a poor qb coach,or Charlie had a less than great qb's coach at Akron.
Did you ever think maybe it's because Frye was only a second year NFL QB? I don't understand how some of you guys expect young QB's to play like 7-8 year vets.
Why do you think I've been posting all of these other QB's who struggled in their first couple of years? To point out that young QB's do not play like 7-8 year vets, they play like young QB's.
Let's hope all you guys that have a crush on Brady Quinn right now actually give him a chance to succeed because more than likely he's going to struggle early in his career too.
Heck, he's already struggling, seeing that Anderson and Frye are easily ahead of him right now. Because listening to most of you Anderson and Frye are the 2 worst QB's in the NFL and Brady Quinn is already one of the better QB's in the NFL and the only reason he might not play is because Romeo doesn't play rookies.
There is a learning curve in the NFL for QB's. Unless a QB is put in a good situation where they rarely have to make a play (Roethlisberger), then they will struggle early in their career.
Vinny Tesetaverde had 13 TD's and 35 INT's in his 2nd year in the NFL.
I guess the game didn't slow down for him. Maybe it was Vinny's QB coach in Tampa wasn't very good or maybe his college QB coach wasn't very good. Maybe Vinny still thought he was playing at the U. But it looks like Vinny lacks something between the ears, where it counts the most. 
Then again maybe he was just a young QB that needed more time to develop and was playing on a bad team? Nah, that couldn't be it.
Frye may get much better, he may not, but it's way to early to tell either way.
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IF THE INCENTIVES are just that(and it's probably something else too) let him have that.. if he can reach that level thats better for us in the long run..
Guaranteed money is ALWAYS a factor when it comes to NFL contracts, ALWAYS.
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Well said...and I only read a few numbers in your post...you feeling ok? 
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If you guys want a real laugh,,, Check this link out http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10267493 Quote:
Where do Falcons go from here?
By Pat Kirwan
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(July 24, 2007) -- Now that they have faced the media regarding the Michael Vick situation, the business of putting the best team on the field is the challenge facing the Atlanta Falcons front office and coaching staff right now.
Here are the things Atlanta likely will look into when camp gets going July 26 without Vick:
Kelly Holcomb is best remembered for his brief but productive tenure in Cleveland.
1. Without Vick, someone has to pick up the slack in the area of throws per practice. Instead of four quarterbacks throwing at every practice, there will be only three arms working, and in less than one week -- or 14 practices -- someone's arm is going to be dragging. So they must think about getting another camp arm right away. How about former NFL Europa star J.T. O'Sullivan?
2. Put the personnel department on overtime working to evaluate the quarterback depth on all 31 teams. Philadelphia, Chicago, Tampa Bay and Cleveland might be good places to start. The Falcons don't expect to trade for a big-time starter at this point, but they might get a shot at a solid player who could be their No. 2 behind Joey Harrington. Kelly Holcomb in Philadelphia would be a guy I would go sometime after the second preseason game. No team is going to move a backup quarterback much earlier than that and leave itself vulnerable.
3. There doesn't appear to be any interest in Daunte Culpepper, Drew Bledsoe or Vick's cousin, Aaron Brooks, so don't count on any of those players being signed now or later. Of course, if Harrington were to get hurt early in camp, then all bets are off.
4. Take all phone calls from teams around the league who might feel they have an answer to the Falcons' quarterback situation.
5. Decide as quickly as possible if D.J. Shockley or Chris Redman can take over this football team if Harrington gets injured or falters. Then decide how much of the original offense, put in while Vick was at the facility, still can be used with the rest of the quarterbacks on the roster.
Finally, with brand new head coach Bobby Petrino trying to set this team up in his image and establish how things are going to be for years to come, this is a big challenge. An offense developed around Harrington will be a lot more conservative looking, but could be just as effective.
Who is Atlanta's real quarterback of the future? Most likely, he is still in college right now, and this is just a bump in the road.
how about Holcomb to the Falcons,,,, LOL
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Charlie Frye's career numbers don't lie. In 2006,he only had 2 starts where he through for more TDS than INTS. In 5 starts he threw for more INTS than TDS.
I have to respond to this.
Charlie Frye had 3 games with more TD's than INT's as a 2nd year Pro not 2
Carson Palmer had 6 games with more TD's than INT's as a 2nd year Pro
Charlie Frye had 5 games with more INT's than TD's as a 2nd year Pro
Carson Palmer had 5 games with more INT's than TD's as a 2nd year Pro
72.2 - Charlie Frye's QB Rating as a 2nd year Pro
77.3 - Carson Palmer's QB Rating as a 2nd year Pro
Charlie Frye had 6 games with a QB Rating above 80 as a 2nd year Pro
Carson Palmer had 7 games with a QB Rating above 80 as a 2nd year Pro
Charlie Frye had 5 games with a QB Rating below 70 as a 2nd year Pro
Carson Palmer had 6 games with a QB Rating below 70 as a 2nd year Pro
Charlie Frye led the Browns to a 4-9 record in his 13 starts as a 2nd year Pro
Carson Palmer led the Bengals to a 6-7 record in his 13 starts as a 2nd year Pro
The Browns went 0-3 with Frye on the Bench in the final month of the season as a 2nd year Pro
The Bengals went 2-1 with Palmer on the Bench in the final month of the season as a 2nd year Pro
Frye played like a typical young QB last year. The question is can Frye take his game to the next level like Palmer or will Frye remain mediocre.
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I posted earlier in this thread that Atlanta had already called Cleveland inquiring about available QBs.
Petrino's short passing system which involves good accuracy would suit Frye well, wonder what they'd be willing to offer for Chuck? Atlanta is the type of place Frye could thrive, IMO. Good running game, great QB coach, good system, good TE.
Personally, I believe Frye has real value to Cleveland over the next 3 years. I wouldn't trade him unless I got a 3rd/4th round pick in return. If Quinn and Frye are 1-2 on the depth chart for the next few years, I would feel great about the QB situation in Cleveland.
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Frye also ran for 3 (I think) TD's last year.
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I feel good about Charlie, but I don't know what to feel about Quinn,, I haven't seen him throw a pass in the NFL yet,.. I doubt it, but he could end up being a total bust.. so Until I see him perform, I won't be comfortable with him,,
Lest you or anyone think that I'm saying that because I have some kinda Man Crush on Frye,, keep in mind, I have the same problem with Thomas and Wright.. Until I see them play, in a game, I don't have anything to base feeling comfortable about,,
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Then you are going to love them since Chuck gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.
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*LOL* .. and this example is a perfect example of why U and your stats are for LOSERS and BS ..
Palmer HAD and DISPLAYED a GREAT ARM as a 2nd year Pro
Frye HAS and DISPLAYED a NOODLE ARM as a 2nd year pro ...
Palmer HAD and DISPLAYED well ABOVE AVERAGE ACCURACY as a 2nd Year Pro
Fry HAS and DISPLAYED below Avg. ACCURACY as a 2nd year pro
Palmer SHOWED a TON of POTENTIAL as a 2nd year Pro ...
Frye SHOWED DIDDLY as a 2nd year pro ...
and when was Frye ever mediocre??? *LOL* .. that shows how much U know about the game ... pretty MUCH NOTHING ...
and Mav if u think these stats mean anything U dont know much about football either my friend .. the stats he shows comparing Frye to HOF QB'S in their first two years are a joke ... why u may ask?? cause all those guys WHILE STRUGGLING showed MANY MANY of the SKILLS it takes to be a GREAT ONE .... and NONE OF THAT IS ON A STAT SHEET ANYWHERE ....
STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!! and we have a new king of Stats .. all hail the new king ... *LOL* ..
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I'm gonna play stat boys game Mav .. show how USELESS THEY REALLY ARE unless U use them PROPERLY(and i have NO INTENTION OR DESIRE TO try and use them properly since stat boy never has .... and u wanna chuckle .. well her u go ... I'LL USE MY EYES to evaluate players .. there u go . HARDY HAR HAR ..  .. ) .... dotn have the time right now .. HOW INTERESTING do u find this ONE LITTLE TIDBIT ... In fryes last 4 games as a 2ND YEAR PRO ... he threw 6 Ints and 0 TD's .. his ratings were (and i can't believe i'm doing this as QB RATINGS IS THE worst STAT EVER ... TALK ABOUT USELESS .. *L*) .. 63, 62, 84 and 73 ... In Palmers last 4 games of his 2nd yr. as a pro .. he threw 9 TD's and 5 Ints ... his ratings were 83 (Fryes best in that stretch), 101,127 and 110 ... Hmmmm ... what u think about that Mav???? and wait til i get back and START TO MANIPULATE THINGS like the KING OF STATS (there for losers BW ... ) does ... and let me know how INTERESTING THEY ARE ...
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Can care less what you buy or not...not selling anything just stating the facts as I remembered them.....Call me a liar if you wish or submit what you remember thats different. But I cannot help what happened - just won't stand by and let people make up their own BS on what happened not when I study and follow the draft and have it burnt in still fresh as 05 was not long enough for me to forget details.
So buy what you want - This is how I remember it. Your choice now is to say I'm wrong and give your version of what transpired - or not! But don't give me some hogwash about buying like I'm selling something. Either I'm right or I'm a liar...it is as black n white as that.
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you I think your stats for Frye's last 4 starts are off.
vs. Pitt - 89 QB rating
vs. Cincy - 40 rating
vs KC - 131 QB rating
vs Houston - 74 QB rating
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552508/gamelogs/2006
You at least gotta get the stats right bro.
I wont argue that Frye doesnt have the physical gifts of Palmer, that's not a question. But can he get the job done w/o the big arm? I think so...and I think his accuracy is better than you give him credit for.
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Peen, I at least have an idea of what we have in Charlie Frye,, I have no idea what we have in Quinn yet, I'm hoping we have a stud,,, I just don't know it yet.
As for Thomas and Wright, same thing,
I have every reason to believe that we have three very good players in Quinn, Thomas and Wright... Very little points to any of them being horrible, it's just that I haven't seen them in a Browns Uni, playing in a game yet,..,
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you I think your stats for Frye's last 4 starts are off.
vs. Pitt - 89 QB rating
vs. Cincy - 40 rating
vs KC - 131 QB rating
vs Houston - 74 QB rating
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552508/gamelogs/2006
You at least gotta get the stats right bro.
I wont argue that Frye doesnt have the physical gifts of Palmer, that's not a question. But can he get the job done w/o the big arm? I think so...and I think his accuracy is better than you give him credit for.
And he did it while on his back, 49 Sacks and a whole lotta knockdowns!
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he threw 6 Ints and 0 TD's .. his ratings were (and i can't believe i'm doing this as QB RATINGS IS THE worst STAT EVER ... TALK ABOUT USELESS .. *L*) .. 63, 62, 84 and 73 ...
Wow, I see 6 numbers listed in that short little paragraph you wrote and all 6 numbers were wrong. Pretty amazing. 0 for 6 in providing stats in a single paragraph. Good job.
Oh, and accuracy
Completion % in their 2nd year in the NFL
64.3% - Charlie Frye
60.9% - Carson Palmer
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And he did it while on his back, 49 Sacks and a whole lotta knockdowns!
LOL with comments like that, you are gonna get a whole lotta Charlie haters hateing on you Artsuxs..
I'm afraid that will be viewed as a stat or excuse
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Mensa,I don't think its fair to compare Charlie Frye to Carson Palmer. Thats like comparing Peyton Manning to Joey Harrington.
If you are looking for Charlie to take his game to the next level like Carson,don't hold your breath. Charlie for one is limited in the kinds of throws he can put downfield. Carson Palmer can make any throw you ask him to.
You keep on bringing up completion % between those Palmer and Frye.
Its not comparable because for 1) Carson throws alot of passes downfield in the 30-65 yards range which would result in alot more incompletions.
Charlie throws alot more short horizonal stuff.
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If you are looking for Charlie to take his game to the next level like Carson,don't hold your breath. Charlie for one is limited in the kinds of throws he can put downfield. Carson Palmer can make any throw you ask him to.
Impact, what Mensa was doing (mensa correct me here if I've misread you on this) is just trying to show the absurd thinking that some have that Charlie can't be a good QB..
Of course he can but some people are such haters they can't think past the end of thier noses..
Having said that, it's NO guarantee that Charlie will EVER get any better.. But can he,,,, Yes. Sure he can. And I think when you come right down to it that's all anyone who has supported Charlie is actually saying..
But here I go again, I have to say this as a disclaimer,, I don't care who our QB is as long as whoever wins the job is the best we have...... and gives us the best chance to win on Sundays...
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Impact, what Mensa was doing (mensa correct me here if I've misread you on this) is just trying to show the absurd thinking that some have that Charlie can't be a good QB..
Eh...wrong answer..Mensa is trying to show that Frye can be as good as those top QB's.. Thats why I debate him..he and Soup said as much ....he's already won you over.. Mensa loves to show Bradshaw/Palmer/Manning and others stats in their first two years compared to frye, trying to show he's on pace to do what they did.. NOT... Thats why I tell him use your eyes..not stats..does Frye look like he's a top NFL QB?
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Eh...wrong answer..Mensa is trying to show that Frye can be as good as those top QB's..
Well, in truth, you don't know that he can't.. You and some others are just assuming he can't! I have some doubts also, but I do believe he can be a better QB than we've seen from him. I also believe there are several reasons he wasn't top shelf last season.
1. He's young and inexperienced and makes mistakes because of it
2. Crappy line
3. No running game (to speak of, which may also be a product of the line)
4. Receivers that drop way to many balls
5. It might have been the Play calling but on this I may be stretching it a bit
Having said that, the next comment from someone will undoubtly be that those are excuses
I kinda looked at them as reasons but to each his own I guess.
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