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Well, in truth, you don't know that he can't
I've seen nothing so far that shows me he can.
I've seen a lot that shows me he can be a good backup.
You and some others are just assuming he can't!
And why are we saying we don't see him being successful as the others?
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That glass is always half empty for some people attack,, you seem to be one of them,,
I prefer to believe he has value as a starter, you seem to think he has value as a back up,,,,
You say you have seen nothing that tells you differently than what you believe and I say there are plenty of reasons to believe we haven't seen the best of Charlie,,
It's a matter of opinion, and we differ... trust me on this, it's a good thing!
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That glass is always half empty for some people attack,, you seem to be one of them,,
Yeah right..I've seen football since ' 65...in all that time I learned alot about players..whether through experience or watching ..
As you get older you look at thing more objectively...things that stats don't show.
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Whooo there big fella,,, talk to someone else about stats,,, I'm not a big believer in stats for the sake of stats alone... they never tell the whole story...so don't go down that path with me
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Well you said I have that half glass empty thought process ..
So this whole debate in this thread is about stats..
One person trying to prove SOMETHING and me and a few others saying that it doesn't work that way.
I'm being realistic..I don't hate Frye...I don't think he 's the answer.
While I read stats, (and when I was younger it was a big thing to see the production on paper), I watch the players and see what they bring to the table.
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Well you said I have that half glass empty thought process ..
So this whole debate in this thread is about stats..
LOL, once again, you and I see things differently Attack,, I surely hope you don't hate me for having a differing opinion..
Yes, I think you sometimes do look at the glass as half full, but I should have made this follow up statement as well, "it's not always a bad thing to have some pessimism in your thinking"!
As for what this debate is about, again, I didn't know it was about stats.. I didn't see it that way,,
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Position preview: Quarterbacks Jeff Walcoff, Staff Writer 07.26.2007 The following is the final installment in a series previewing the 2007 Cleveland Browns position by position. Training Camp kicks off Friday. Overview: One of the big battles yet to be decided heading into the training camp is at one of the most important positions on the roster. Derek Anderson and Charlie Frye will enter training camp virtually deadlocked for the starting quarterback job with rookie Brady Quinn making strides everyday. Frye is the incumbent, having started 13 of the club's games in 2006. In his first year as a fulltime starter, the Willard, Ohio native managed to complete 64 percent of his passes despite being pressured often and sacked 44 times. His gritty style and reputation as a gamer has brought him to where he is today. The strong-armed yet less mobile Anderson started three games and was the hero during the club's 31-28 overtime victory over the Chiefs on Dec. 3. While he was sacked less often (only 8 times in 117 pass attempts), his passer rating was nearly 9 points lower than Frye's, and his interception rate markedly higher. What happens during training camp and the club's first couple preseason games will likely decide who the Browns bring to battle for their crucial stretch at the beginning of the season that features all three home divisional matchups. The first few weeks of camp as well as those preseason games could to a lot to determine the success the Browns have in '07. Projected starter(s): At this point, it's likely to be Anderson or Frye, but don't tell that to Quinn, who surely hasn't stopped studying his playbook since minicamp broke in mid-June. All three players have openly made being the starter in Week One their goal. Only one will achieve that objective. In the mix: While he likely won't be the starter, backup Ken Dorsey is a smart, hard-working player who might be an ideal third quarterback for the club heading into the regular season. Unfortunately, with the three-headed race for the starting position, he probably won't get too much playing time in the first three preseason games. Rookie spotlight: The frenzy and excitement of Quinn's late-first-round selection to his favorite childhood team has long past. Now, he's simply a rookie quarterback slowly (and sometimes not so smoothly) adjusting to the faster-paced, tougher environment of the NFL game. If Frye or Anderson emerges and plays well, we might not even see him this year, but either way the expectations are high and the pressure is on for Quinn. Key storyline: The battle for the starting role will not only be the key storyline within the position group, but also one of the key -- if not the key -- storyline of the 2007 season. link
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Pre Pos Tur Us! LOL,, how is Quinn making strides everyday when he isn't in camp and isn't even signed... and here is more crap about Anderson and Frye deadlocked...
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Not a comment, but a question for all of you guys.. for the sake of argument, let's say that Quinn wins the starting QB job and he opens the season... and let's also say that Frye wins the Back up job..
Who do you pick for your third QB,,, Anderson or Dorsey. Both have started NFL Games. SO who do you chose as your 3rd stringer?
I take Dorsey.. My thinking may be flawed, but here's the way I see it. Dorsey played in a system with Chud as the OC (very successfully I might add) and Dorsey has more starting experience in the NFL. I also understand that Dorsey is a super smart guy that could be groomed to be more of a coach than player in time.
Conversely, if Quinn is the starter and Anderson is the primary backup, I still go with Dorsey... that's for the very same reasons above...
NOTE: for those that thought I was a Frye pimp,,,,,Na Na Na Na Na 
Worst possible situation: Quinn falls flat on his face...stinks up the joint but we still have to keep him because of the investment we've made in him thus far. (Trade of next seasons #1 and signing bonus this year)
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Who do you pick for your third QB,,, Anderson or Dorsey. Both have started NFL Games. SO who do you chose as your 3rd stringer?
I think you need to stick with Dorsey; I recall reading an article regarding how much Quinn has learned thus far (from mini's and ota's) and Dorsey was the name he mentioned has his greatest asset.
Granted Dorsey's physical makeup is less than desireable, however his intelligence and leadership makes up for lack of talent.
I don't care that a guy can throw a football through a brick wall; I do however care if the guy is a willing mentor and has knowledge of the game.
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One alternative thought is if Dorsey is convinced that he's not going to ever play in a game again, then him as a coach now would make it easier to keep Quinn, Frye and Anderson... I do get the feeling that one of those three will be gone before the end of camp... I my guess is it won't be Quinn 
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You at least gotta get the stats right bro
Why .. there for LOSERS anyway .. *L* ..
Go ahead blast away .. I deserve it .. BAD STATS are even worse than the USELESS ones that are for LOSERS ... so go ahead .. give me what i got coming ..
i did it in a hurry and put in comp% instead of QB rating .. and transposed ONE LINE on the TD's - INT's ... heres how it should have read ... i BELIEVE this is how it should have read anyhow .. i;m sure you'll CORRECT ME if I;m WRONG AGAIN .. *L* ..
in Fryes last 4 games in his 2nd year as a Pro threw 1 TD and 5 Pics ...
in Palmers last 4 games in his 2nd year as a Pro threw 9 TD's and 5 Pics ..
HMMMMMmmmmmm ...
Fryes QB rating over the same 4 games were 89,40,131 and 74 ...
Palmers were 83, 101, 127 and 110 ....
so now that I got the STATS RIGHT (prolly got them right .. *L*) ... will u answer my questions???
1. How "interesting" are those stats ...
2. what do they tell U???
I'll get to the rest of the BULLCRAP STATS later ... and oh what a PICTURE THEY WILL PAINT ... *LOL* ..
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2. what do they tell U???
Not much unless you state who they were playing; were they ahead or down and needed to pass the whole day.
Individual stats are for fantasy forgoers and anal retentive individuals.
Team stats speaks of wins and losses.
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Well, in truth, you don't know that he can't..
No Daman ... just because U dont have the ABILITY to see it doesnt mean others don't ... dont take the areas u have shortcomings in and schacle others with them ... just because i cant spell doesnt mean others can't .. get my drift?? *LOL* ...
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No were NOT ... were BASING IT OFF HIS SKILL SET AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN ... just because U dont have the ability to see those things doesnt mean we dont ... see the shortcomings thing above ..
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*LOL* .. well DUH .... as the play around IMPROVES so will his .. thats COMMON SENSE ... *L* ... but HIS SHORTCOMINGS will not be OVERCOME by the play around him IMPROVING ... a concept u just can't grasp .. and its not your fualt ... U just dont understand the game well enough to see those things ..
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2. Crappy line
3. No running game (to speak of, which may also be a product of the line)
4. Receivers that drop way to many balls
5. It might have been the Play calling but on this I may be stretching it a bit
Having said that, the next comment from someone will undoubtly be that those are excuses
and the people that say there excuses are as ignorant as u on the topic .. those are VALID REASONS for his poor play .. any one that argues that is a bafoon (problem here is u guys use them like excuses ... ) ... BUT ...
an Improved OL will not make his arm any stronger ...
an improved running game will not make him any more accurate ....
having a year of experinece will not make him a good enough decision maker ..
will he improve in accuracy and decision making?? well DUH .... definelty in decision making .. and more than likely in my definition of accuracy .. BUT he WONT IMPROVE NEAR ENOUGH TO BECOME EVEN AN AVG. STARTER IN THIS LEAGUE ..
he just does not have the SKILL SET to be a GOOD NFL STARTER weather u can see it or not .. BELIEVE IT OR NOT some people can make JUDGEMENTS about a player BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO and not on what the others around them can't ... its not my fault u dont have a good enough understanding of the game to see it ...
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You know Diam,,, if you weren't so damn arrogant, you might be fun to listen too.. It must be hard for you to wake up every morning knowing that you have to lug that huge ego around all day.
I don't think I've ever talked to anyone on this board that has a bigger impression of thier own self worth than you....
Hey Hey,, If Diam says it it must be fact....
if you would get your head out of your butt, you would learn there are better ways to talk to people. Try being somewhat respectful,, that might actually garner you a few friends on here instead of a bunch that just want to strangle you!
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Diam, you still have wrong information. Nice try though. Wow, Frye threw 5 picks in the final 4 games he played last year with 4 of those INT's coming in a single game. Pick #1: Hail Marry at the Half vs Cincinnati Pick #2: With under 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and Cleveland down 23 points vs Cincy Pick #3: With under 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and Cleveland down 23 points and being hit while throwing from out of the endzone vs Cincy Pick #4: With under 2 minutes left in the game and Cleveland down 30 on a 4th down play, 88 yards from the endzone vs Cincy Pick #5: A forced pass vs Houston 2 of the INT's are who cares. Who cares when you throw a INT on a Hail Marry? Who cares when on 4th down, and down 30 points with under 2 minutes left in the game you throw a pick? And boy, oh boy was the play calling great vs Cincinnati. Rush Attempts by our RB's.5 carries by Harrison 3 carries by Wright 2 carries by Droughns 1 carry by Smith 11 total rush attempts by our running backs vs Cincy. That will help a young QB. Quote:
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I can't wait to see all the wrong stats you post later.
Oh, and it will paint the great picture of how you lack the simple ability to post correct stats.
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Hmmmm .. what did i mess up this time??? *LOL* ...
and nice job menZa .. your PROVING MY POINT FOR ME ... *LOL* ...
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Diam you crack me up.
At least you got the stats right this time.
Like I've tried to explain stats are one tool in making a judgment, and will not paint an accurate picture all the time.
You're so hasty to start bashing people I don't think you've read what I've said in this thread. If I said stats are the end all be all, please show me and I will backtrack on those statements.
And Frye's more accurate than you give him credit for and while Frye doesn't have world class arm-strength (either does Quinn coincidently) he wouldn't be the first QB to succeed w/o it.
You should really temper yourself here, you've made some bold predictions for Quinn that could put you in a precarious spot in the future on this board. You might want to try making friends and not enemies...who am I kidding though, the Great Diam and his all knowing football prowess are no match for the rest of us...
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IMO this whole arm strength thing is SO OVERRATED. Frye def have what it takes or he wouldn't be in the league. You don't need a cannon---plenty of pro bowl QB's, and HOF QB's have made it in this league and even dominated in this league without stellar arm strength. Plenty of guys with huge arms faultered. Brady Quinn is the product of hype, and over the next few years it will become painfully obvious to everyone, even Diam. Who may never live it down with all his BQ rah rah posts he's made over the past 6-12 months. 
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Yeah right..I've seen football since ' 65...in all that time I learned alot about players..whether through experience or watching ..
As you get older you look at thing more objectively...things that stats don't show.
Wow. You've been "seeing" football since 1965?
That's awesome man, you sure must know a lot of stuff.
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You should put that in your sig.
I've thought about it ... but it might be a bit much ... dont u think??
BQ dotn have a world class arm ... but its not even close to the same categories as #9's .. BQ's arm strength is WELL ABOVE AVERAGE ... #9's is WELL BELOW AVG .... night and day ...
and the Arm strength that Frye has could be overcome .. but not by someone with his OTHER DEFICINCIES ....
u give STATS way to much credit ... the way there used on here is PRETTY MUCH USELESS .... menZa just PROVED IT HIMSELF .... (not only do i know more about football than most, but i even am smarter than a menZa and got him to disprove his OWN BS ... god, i'm good .. *LOL* ... ) ....
and u still didnt answer my questions??????
and menZa says the info i provided was wrong .. but u say the stats were right this time .. so i guess his saying info and me thinking he meant stats was just more of his DOUBLE TALK when reffering to stats ... hes tricky when he uses them ... WATCH OUT FOR THAT .... the language he uses is very very IMPORTANT ... and one can come to the wrong conclusion if they dont pay very close attention ...
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If you're being sarcastic I wouldn't blame you..
But I started watching it at that time.
My dad turned me on to it and while he was a Browns fan, he was quite harsh in how he looked at players..harsh from a 6 year old's standpoint.
But he taught me a lot..
Of course being in school and you play ball gives you a different perspective also..
Hearing a seeing a coach talk and what he wants done is another..
Watching game after game..year after year..college/pros...talking to players who played the game..
Having your emotions yanked year after year..
Enough..I look at the game a lot different than those years..
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Let me try and answer your questions real quick.
The QB ratings given by you and Mensa arent very telling. For the simple fact is those stats should be put in some kind of context (which is what Mensa did in a post recently). This is something I've alluded to in this thread.
Like I said, I like to take stats and put them into said context - maybe that makes me weird, but it's something I enjoy doing for both football and baseball. That is the reason I "enjoy" Mensa's posts.
I think this is what you're trying to prove, correct? But, I don't see anyone saying anything to the contrary on this thread, maybe I missed it?
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I think you're beating your head against the wall on this one. I agree with you whole heartedly but Diam just doesn't have that point of view.
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You still need to correct Palmer's stats.
It's painfully obvious that some these Frye detractors view that their opinion is the be all end all. No one else's opinion can be valid if it defers from them. These guys are a cut above the rest. What is mind boggling, is why would the Jaguars even call and ask about a trade for Frye. Anybody with any kind of eye for talent could tell that he's no better than an Arena Football QB. The Jaguars must have horrible talent evaluators, makes me wonder how they win more games on a regular basis than the Browns.
People such as myself that think it's too early to tell if a player will be successful or not just do not have as good an eye for talent as these guys. If you can't judge a QB's career within his 1st 10-16 starts then you just do not have a good eye. If you saw anything in Frye that makes you believe he could be a successful NFL QB then you have doo doo for eyes.
Remember these guys were the ones that thought Steve Young wasn't any good after 2 years and drafted Vinny Testaverde in the 1st round and traded Young away. They nailed that quick talent evaluation.
They are the guys that rented billboards in Tampa to make fun of Vinny Testaverde because they thought he was so bad. They knew that there's no way he could last 20 years in the NFL and have over 45,000 yards passing. He was color blind and threw way too many picks. No way will he ever last as a NFL QB.
I need to step up my game so that I can evaluate young QB's faster. Diam's so good at this that he already knows Brady Quinn will be a stud and he hasn't even thrown an official NFL pass. I think Brady Quinn has a good chance of becoming a successful NFL QB but I'm not 100% on it yet because I haven't seen him throw a single pass in a single NFL game yet. Boy am I horrible at evaluating QB's. Saw him play in at least 30 games at Notre Dame, so obviously I'm bad at this because the best evaluators are NEVER wrong, especially if they've watched that many games of a QB.
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Remember these guys were the ones that thought Steve Young wasn't any good after 2 years and drafted Vinny Testaverde in the 1st round and traded Young away. They nailed that quick talent evaluation.
Would you like to state who was debating about Steve Young and VT, before this board even formed?
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Remember these guys were the ones that thought Steve Young wasn't any good after 2 years and drafted Vinny Testaverde in the 1st round and traded Young away. They nailed that quick talent evaluation.
Would you like to state who was debatign about Steve Young and VT, before this board even formed?
You are one of the great evaluators that said you can evaluate a QB quickly.
Well, after their first 2 years in the league fans like you thought Young and Testaverde stunk and would never be good. Even some in their organizations went with that judgement.
I think it's rather obvious how you and a few others on here would have been evaluating Young and Testaverde. You'd be calling them pathetic hacks that will never make it in the NFL.
Who knows if Frye will become a solid NFL QB or not? I know you do not know, but you can continue to pretend.
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You are one of the great evaluators that said you can evaluate a QB quickly.
Really..I said that..hmmm...maybe I said I can see things in a QB other than the surrounding parts that tell me if he can be great or not. Well, after their first 2 years in the league fans like you thought Young and Testaverde stunk and would never be good. Ha...I'm glad you were around to pick out what fans like me said decades ago.. 
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Now that was just mean Mour,,,, Funny yes,,, but still,, just a bit mean 
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Really..I said that..hmmm...maybe I said I can see things in a QB other than the surrounding parts that tell me if he can be great or not.
Really?
You'd be a huge asset to NFL team with that kind of skill. I'll tell you what, next week when I'm watching Training Camp, I'll see if the Browns Organization has room for a guy who's been watching football since the 60's and can tell whether or not a player can play at a high level, even if that player is in a bad situation.
That's a million dollar skill you've got, you should utilize it to the fullest.
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Someone pulling your finger again GM Mav, I hear ya on the internet GM's. If these guys on here were as good as they claim to be they would be employed by an NFL team doing this for super big money....
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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Really?
You'd be a huge asset to NFL team with that kind of skill. I'll tell you what, next week when I'm watching Training Camp, I'll see if the Browns Organization has room for a guy who's been watching football since the 60's and can tell whether or not a player can play at a high level, even if that player is in a bad situation.
How 'bout instead you see if they need any volunteers to work at camp for me. I'm free and free!
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I heard you were cheap, not free 
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I dont know how smart anyone has to be to recognize talent. I do know there is a hell of a lot of people on this board would have had a lot better drafts that what Savage and Davis has accomplished. Now everyone will make mistakes as any GM or coach especially when it comes to some players that arent showing the great work ethic but Attack has about as good of an eye for players as anyone around here and if he had been calling the shots we would be far ahead of where we are now but we might have Bob Sanders and Sean Jones starting at safety and our guards would have been Shawn Andrews and Eric Steinbach lol.
Btw if only general managers were allowed to comment on a messge board it might get a little quiet around here.
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I dont know how smart anyone has to be to recognize talent. I do know there is a hell of a lot of people on this board would have had a lot better drafts that what Savage and Davis has accomplished. Now everyone will make mistakes as any GM or coach especially when it comes to some players that arent showing the great work ethic but Attack has about as good of an eye for players as anyone around here and if he had been calling the shots we would be far ahead of where we are now but we might have Bob Sanders and Sean Jones starting at safety and our guards would have been Shawn Andrews and Eric Steinbach lol.
Btw if only general managers were allowed to comment on a messge board it might get a little quiet around here.
You're serious aren't you?
Self confidence is one thing, being a out of touch with reality is another.
I cant believe you just said that...because he has an opinion similar to yours he could run the Browns, huh?
Excuse me, while I laugh some more.
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No Mav...........he said that Attack has a good eye for talent (and he does). Just because you guys don't know talent doesn't mean somebody else on here doesn't. There is quite a few guys on here that are more consistantly right than our current or previous GMs have been. I know you made some evalutions and your Browns buddies told you where crazy. Well maybe your not a student of the game (don't mean that ugly, but just going off of what you said your buddies where saying), but there is some guys that are........get over it, and try to learn something from them.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
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OK .... I think I got it now ...
palmer threw for 11 TD's and 6 picks in his last 4 games in his 2nd year ... damm that was hard .. *L* ...
I believe I'm all square on the STATS THAT ARE FOR LOSERS front ... I'm gonna sleep much better now .. *L* ..
your now showing your class .. actually your lack of class ... nice try putting words into my mouth .. thats real classy .. nice job ... and it hurts ohh so much .. *LOL* ..
so lets see ... by your line of thinking .. Fryes on his way to the HOF just like all the guys U say hes like are (touche stats are for LOSERS boy) ... wanna make a bet and see who's closer to reality ... U or I???? .. and i'll bet any amount u like ...
Ya, thats what i thought .. all mouth .. *LOL* ....
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No Mav...........he said that Attack has a good eye for talent (and he does). Just because you guys don't know talent doesn't mean somebody else on here doesn't. There is quite a few guys on here that are more consistantly right than our current or previous GMs have been. I know you made some evalutions and your Browns buddies told you where crazy. Well maybe your not a student of the game (don't mean that ugly, but just going off of what you said your buddies where saying), but there is some guys that are........get over it, and try to learn something from them.
Here's a quick example of what my lacking skills told me from a taped Browns game...
One play I looked at in the film and saw Schaffer get beat on his leftside when he took a man to his rightside. I blamed the sack on Schaffer, when in reality the RB was supposed to chip the oncoming outside rusher before he released. Now, maybe you have the ability to know when a player is supposed to chip the outside backer before he left the backfield. I find that hard to do as I dont have a solid grasp of the Browns playbook or the blocking adjustments at the LOS, maybe you do.
Or maybe some people's heads are bigger than the koolaid man and think they know everything.
I'm still debating whether it's A or B. I'm leaning towards B.
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