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Some guys on here are pretty good talent evaluators. But guessing which guys are gonna be good while you're on an Internet message board and being the GM of an NFL team.....pretty big difference there.

I choose B as well.......

You'd be a huge asset to NFL team with that kind of skill

Soooo U are being a ASSet..huh?

I'll tell you what, next week when I'm watching Training Camp, I'll see if the Browns Organization has room for a guy who's been watching football since the 60's and can tell whether or not a player can play at a high level, even if that player is in a bad situation.

Nothing personal here but you asked for it..
To get Mourg first..I'm 48 ..yeah real old huh?

Since you think that because I don't have insider info on tapes and play calls I should be quiet and not offer my stance on what I see don't let the inside info you get persuade you that said players are better than the sum of their parts.
I'm better at looking at DB's and their skillset because I'm well familar with the position( I keep hinting about that but you keep ignoring that) but if for a second I'm supposed to sit back and not be confident in what I see and reason on because someone else feels I'm not qualified to say anything..forget it..
I never said Frye was a bum like some have..U are annoyed because I said I see things that tell me he's not the answer..

U think he is..U think I'm laying everything at his feet..wrong...
Just like people think Andra Davis is this all star LB...when it's known he's doesn't have the best instincts in run defense..thats been argued for three years now.
Same with Frye..U think I'm bad ?

Go to the some of the other boards and they chew CF up worse than bubble gum..

That's a million dollar skill you've got, you should utilize it to the fullest.
I'm about to utilize another skill I have..which quite a few others have had the opportunity to be introduced to

Internet GMs crack me up
Hope you have some parts left over after you fly apart ..we're not all stupid Mav..some fans actually have good knowledge of the game whether or not we have contacts in the locker room.

Let me ask you one question..so we're supposed to look a player and never say if we think he'll be good because we don't know the plays and what should be happening on the field, yet analysts who are not in the locker rooms either, can do it and be right?
Don't ever tell me you've never looked at any player , from any team, from any sport, and never said he would or wouldn't be any good...
That goes for anyone responding ..U too Daman..

Fire Phil Savage and hire Attack Dawg.

This guy has the best eye for talent in the world. He's never wrong on a player.

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Just like people think Andra Davis is this all star LB... when it's known he's doesn't have the best instincts in run defense ..thats been argued for three years now.

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Who would argue that? lol

I asked U one question but here's one more..

Why haven't you debated Vers and a a few others when they critique certain other players and come out and say they're not good or they knew this certain player was no good?

Why is it just Frye that bugs U?
You just seem to be hung up on my stance that I can see whether a QB is going to be good or not?

Did I say I was always right?

No no one ever is..some players make it easy to see..dispite their surrounding parts..

Did anyone ever think Archie Manning was a bad QB or did he just play for one the worse teams in NFL history?


Mensa ...maybe NFL.com should use you to compile their stats..instead of the people they employ

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That goes for anyone responding ..U too Daman..

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Wooo there,,, I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion.. My problem is that you expect people to accept your opinion without question but won't allow for others opinions to matter..

Maybe that's not your intent... but that's the way it comes across sometimes. In fact, I doubt it is your intent. That's why, while I may disagree with you and even get a little heated, I certainly don't think your a horrible person or even close..

To prove it, let me say something nice about you,,,,,,

You are NOT Diam!

No really,, just pulling your leg with that! You don't appear to be arrogant, but you do stand your ground.. I don't have a real problem with that...

Just allow for others opinions to matter also from time to time..

Wooo there,,, I don't have a problem with you expressing your opinion.. My problem is that you expect people to accept your opinion without question but won't allow for others opinions to matter..

What? WHERE did you ever see me say anything that makes it look like I think everyone else SHOULD ACCEPT MY OPINION WITHOUT QUESTION and never allow others to matter?
GMAB..
I state things as I see them and debate them..where did you ever get that from?
I don't easily back down from my stance..and thats how I am even off this board.
Only person who can back me down is my wife..and she knows I have a strong will..
On a sports forum , talking about a sport I've grown up with..I have a lot of opinions about it .
I'm confident in my thoughts and unless it's showed to me otherwise I stand by them..I don't waiver and change my opinions like the wind.

Let me ask you ONE SIMPLE QUESTION..
Did you ever see these guys play when they first came to the pros???
And even after they were in the league a few years?

See you try to answer everything with stats..it don't work that way..

Mensa, you need a girlfriend in the baddest way.

I'm guessing you'll have a hard time finding one who puts up with your stopwatch, gantt charts and fishbone diagrams critiquing your performance though.

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What? WHERE did you ever see me say anything that makes it look like I think everyone else SHOULD ACCEPT MY OPINION WITHOUT QUESTION and never allow others to matter?

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LOL You just did it! My opinion is that you do that, and you say you don't,,

Opinions vary,, mine is that you like to force feed your opinion on others... You don't think you do that.. which by the way is why I stated VERY CLEARLY that I didn't think that was your intent!

I don't know what to tell you other than that. I'm generally not one of those guys that will research every one of your posts to prove my point.. My opinion honestly doesn't matter that much to anyone but me anyway... So it's not likely that I will ever worry enough about you to research it..

Besides, if like I say it wasn't your intent, then you will just say you didn't mean it that way anyway,,, what's the point, I already know that!

LOL You just did it! My opinion is that you do that, and you say you don't,,

Oh now I get it..when someone counters what I say I should be submissive and agree with it..
Got it..

hey MAV .. heres some interesting stuff on "stats are for LOSERS " boys stats ... and this is truely SAD .... and i just noticed it as I have a few minutes to go blow his BULLDUNK UP ... remember what i told u yesterday about HIS BS and u need to READ EVERY WORD CAREFULLY .. well not so coincidentally the first thing i looked at here is a SHINING EXAMPLE ...

and menZa take your HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDE with me and not getting my STATS right and shove it where the sun dont shine .. at least i dont INTENTIONALLY TRY AND DECIEVE PEOPLE ... your a real (i dotn wanna get in trouble so i won't say it .. ) but its wasnt a nice word ... i DESPISE people like U ...

this is taken from the VERY FIRST line in his response to Impact ... Impacts quote is in white ... and the less than honarable ones response is below that ..

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Charlie Frye's career numbers don't lie. In 2006,he only had 2 starts where he through for more TDS than INTS. In 5 starts he threw for more INTS than TDS.


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I have to respond to this.


Charlie Frye had 3 games with more TD's than INT's as a 2nd year Pro not 2
Carson Palmer had 6 games with more TD's than INT's as a 2nd year Pro

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U have to respond to this .. u mean u INTENTIONALLY HAVE TO LIE TO PEOPLE??? u speak like the Don and bOtch used to .. your words have a different meaning then they would appear to .. *L* ..

Impact clearly says THROUGH (and even my DUMBASS knows he means THREW for .. so menZa clearly being so smart and all had to know it also) .... more TDS than Int's in 2 starts ...

Decietful man then refutes that by saying he had 3 games with more TD's than Picks and highlights NOT TWO as to drive his point home and make impact out a LIAR ... and thats JUST WRONG ...

Impact clearly said THREW for .. well the decietful wonder CHANGED THE WORDING IN HIS (just like hes done on MANY OCCASIONS) and included RUSHING TD'S in his version when he called IMPACT A LIAR .... witch in and of itself isnt wrong .. but when u use it to MAKE SOMEONE OUT A LIAR and don't MAKE THE DIFFERENCES CLEAR AS A BELL and hide it in WORD PLAY ... thats just wrong and very very SCUMMY ...

thats just WRONG ... and shows this man has NO CHARACTER what so ever and will go to any lenghts to MANIPULATE STATS TO PROVE HIS POINT ...

watch out for this guy and his STATS ... read EVERY WORD like your a LAWYER reading a LEGAL DOC or you'll end up DECIEVED ... isnt that a nice thing to have to do ...

Looks like we have a personal foul..unsportsmanlike conduct in here..

I didn't read your whole post nor do I plan on ever reading your post so I don't know what you really posted or the goal of YOUR up AND down POST. I just scanned through it.

But I know you are horrible with stats so here you go.

Charlie Frye
vs Oakland - 3 Passing TD's - 2 INT's
vs Atlanta - 1 Passing TD - 0 INT
vs Kansas City - 1 Passing TD - 0 INT's

Looks like 3 not 2


Seriously Diam, you are horrible with #'s.

Stop it, mensa....please.

Unbelieveable,,,,

You still didn't answer my quesion

Don't need to..don't have to..I'm not going to go back 20-40 some years and try to remember everything I saw in those guys..I wouldn't do it for the great RB's/WR's for that time either.

Maybe because you really do not have the magical ability to judge the future of QB's after their 1st 2 years in the NFL
Not magic, common sense and knowing what you see.

But you can continue to pretend that you are the end all be all of talent evaluations.

I'll pretend I didn't read that..only U and Daman are making this silly outlandish remarks..
Daman I really think you guys are very a bit sensitive and defensive...because how my words are interpeted seem to be lost on what I actually say.
Whateva..

I owe u an apology ... hope u read it .. *LOL* ..

i'm sorry .. u were right .. i was wrong .. i take back all the things i called u ... for now anyhow .. as you've done the wording thing in the past ..

but i was WRONG and am sorry to have said those things about U .. as they were untrue ......

i'll be back with more when i have the time ...

and PS. .. i could care less if u read these .. your a lost cause .. these are for the folks that put any stock at all in your #'s and can still be saved ..

This has nothing to do with Frye, this has to do with the assertion that you can evaluate players better or on par with a real life GM.

It makes me laugh. A couple of nice little mock drafts on the net and a guy has an eye for talent and could do a better job than those really in charge...You reading that? You realize how ABSURD that is?

Cause it's been asserted in this thread by your buddies.

And we all know, that back in the 80's what you most likely thought of Vinny Testaverde when he threw 13 TD's and 35 INT's in his 2nd year.
I thought he was stupid
I thought he was stupid
That wasn't hard was it?


And when Tampa Bay saw little in Steve Young so they drafted Vinny Testaverde and traded Young away.
I thought they were smart
I thought they were smart
They sucked
They sucked
Once more that wasn't hard

And when Tony Eason in his 2nd year in the NFL threw 23 TD's to 8 INT's, you knew he'd end up flopping the rest of his career.
How'd U know that?
Man thats incredible that you can pick my thoughts out Mr.Spock

Your ability to judge a QB's career within their 1st 2 years in the NFL is simply amazing.
Thanks,glad to know you recognized that... finally..especially since I never once discussed any of those QB's.