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He called me ... and this is a quote ....

Your a PIECE OF CRAP and TRASH ...

And u think he has a floor? ... ...

How many died in all those tornadoes?


Now, in some neighborhoods of Chicago, how many people die each year? Why don't those people move out?

Or, is it different?

GM
There was nothing to stay and fight for. I’m a nurse. I’m not a business owner. I’ll never employ people.
I had to go to where there were more jobs options and better pay. First it was Columbus. Then I moved west.
My older sister is still a nurse back home in NW Ohio. She makes significantly less than I do. Yes the cost of living is lower but it still doesn’t make up for the lack of pay.
To add. I grew up with little ‘pride’ for the area I grew up in. We moved to the town I grew up outside of when I was in the 4th grade. I was intelligent, a runt, and I was artistic. The trifecta of the opposite of ‘cool’ in a ‘football is king’ minded small town in the sticks. I might as well have had three eyes. I got through the next 7.5 years of school and packed my bags. Leaving three days after graduation, I have never returned for more than visiting my family.
Stay? For what?
Sorry not sorry. I left and my life has improved because I was strong enough to not allow my roots to hold me in a place that would see me stagnate.

most people can't afford a lot of things.

but if your house is already destroyed, you wouldn't take that opportunity to move a few miles down the street? you would rebuild in the same area that has:


April 25, 1893 (2)
May 12, 1896 (2)
June 21, 1942 (2)
March 20, 1948 (2)
April 30, 1949 (2)
April 30, 1951 (2)
June 3, 1956 (2)
April 28, 1960 (3)
May 21, 1961 (2)
August 31, 1965 (3)
September 19, 1965 (2)
June 10, 1967 (2)
April 30, 1970 (2)
June 8, 1974 (5)
April 30, 1978 (3)
March 28, 1988 (2)
June 13, 1998 (4)
May 3, 1999 (4)
October 22, 2000 (2)
May 8, 2003 (2)
May 9, 2003 (3)
November 10, 2004 (2)
May 7, 2008 (2)
February 10, 2009 (2)
May 10, 2010 (4)
May 31, 2013 (5)
April 26, 2016 (2)

tornadoes on a consistent basis?

and hold on, i already answered your medical question. i already acknowledged that we all deserve health care, and a national single payer one.

so to bring this back to the original point, you can harp on healthcare all you want in this situation, PDR, but guess what?

did those people vote for politicians that wanted to bring single payer? No.

they voted for their own demise. they voted for politicians who were gonna make their healthcare situation worse.

Like GM did(sorry bro, but thats the truth).

So with Guy X, maybe if him and others decided to vote for people who wanted to tweak the ACA to make it better, or even bring a single payer system to the country, then when Guy X's house gets destroyed, healthcare wouldn't factor into his decision on whether or not to move out of the area, in order to not risk his family getting FURTHER injured/sick than they already are, like his wife.

but did Guy X (again, talking majority electorate and how they voted in the generals, senate. and house elections) and the rest of the tornado alley residents vote that way?

no. they decided to #MAGA, which will ultimately make their situation worse so that moving is no longer a feasible option.

so you can go on with hypotheticals all you want, but at the end of the day, you're excusing people for making bad decisions when they go to the booth.

i do not, and i will not. so i stand by my comments. if people are willingly staying in high risk areas known for natural disasters, it makes sense why they would vote for trump.

because they have already proven to society that they will choose their own demise over the logical thing to do.

You've said a couple of times "move a few miles down the street."

Yet, the link you gave for tornado ally covered how many states?

Your last 2 paragraphs make sense. I now can see your disdain for the fly over country, or, nw Ohio.

But hey, there ARE good paying jobs here for people just like you, and others as well.

Actually, yes.

Trump quite literally ran on single payer during his campaign.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca...t/#22aceed1540e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwN6sU4onFQ

He rambled on about single payer at length during rallies for months.

Now, granted, he doesn't know he's describing single payer, because he's a moron, but like it or not, that's what he ran on.



Option B wasn't exactly going to throw them a life raft, either.

Here is the transcript:

Pelley: How do you fix it?

Trump: There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But--"

Pelley: Universal health care.

Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Trump: They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably—

Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Trump: —the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

He is describing single payer health care.

No disdain for NW Ohio, but love for it either. It was where I grew up. It doesn’t define me. Truthfully I’m glad I grew up in rural Ohio. It taught me a lot of lessons. Good and bad. But it’s where my family lives. Nothing more. I try to get them to leave too. Especially my nephews. There are more options when you move to larger cities. It’s just basic numbers. Yes they could go toil at Cooper Tire, or Campbell’s Soup, or Johns Manville for the next 40 years. Or they could move to an area with more options.
I don’t have disdain for flyover country either. I just don’t have any interest in living in it. I guess I’m an elitist or some such garbage because I chose to move away from home and not to Nebraska? I like mountains. I like the ocean. I like high paying jobs. Oregon fit the bill.
I was never going to carve out this life I lead in NW Ohio. Never. Glad I left. No regrets.

and yet you literally just gave the reason why he didn't actually run on single payer.

because if he actually knew what it was, he wouldn't be for it.

also, once again you have cherry picked your arguments.

so you tried to mention trump, who actually doesn't support single payer. and then, you dodged the part where i mentioned the senate and house.

but don't worry about it, PDR. you like cherry picking, i like discussing the entire situation. lets begin.

Senator James Lankford(R), voted to repeal the ACA, and doesn't think single payer is a good option. he also supported the recent Graham-Cassidy bill. ya know, not single payer.

he's been in senate since 2015.

Senator Jim Inhofe (R) also voted for repealing the ACA, and also supported the graham-cassidy bill. does not support single payer, even though he admitted to beneifiting from it after a recent heart surgery.

he's been in senate since 1994.

should i bother with the 5 house members of oklahoma?

or the governor? who is a republican, does not support national healthcare.

So again, Guy X and the majority of his fellow residents have continued to vote for their own demise.

i have provided you fact-evidenced over and over again supporting my claims.

so while you and i want national healthcare for all, Guy X and the rest of the squad in tornado alley apparently do not.

i'm starting to believe one of my favorite rappers were right a long, and it applies to different situations:

"dont save her, she dont wanna be saved, don't save her".

No, PDF is right. Trump would back a Single Payer plan but it would have to have very tight controls on costs.

He hated Bernie's plan and said it would be a curse to America.

That's all well and good. YOU made a decision for YOU, and you love it. That's great.

My one brother is the exact same way. He comes back once a year. He lives in Denver now.



See, I don't understand this comparison you seem to be making. Being a "professional" around here pays well. Working in a factory pays ok - but come on, you don't have factories out in Portland? Everyone is a professional? All pay is higher out there? Cost of living is equal?

Nah, you have disdain for us poor folk here. And that's fine, as long as you understand it.

By the way, I think I remember where you said you grew up. Initials G.R. right? If so, was the school district mascot the "Knights"?

If you were a person who listened to Trump speak and thought "wow, this guy has some good ideas", then let's face it - you're not intelligent enough to discern whether or not the guy who rambles incoherently about Mexico paying for a border wall is serious or not.

The guy ran on single payer. Period. Did he mean it? Who knows, he's an idiot in the throes of dementia that says the first thing to pop in his mind (which is usually the last thing he saw on TV).

But he most certainly ran on it.



Number your questions, and rattle them off.

I promise I'll answer them one by one.

right, so once again, in my post, i have given you evidence that Guy X and his homeboys clearly aren't for national healthcare, not just based on who they voted for in the generals, but house and senate, as i mentioned previously.

now you're talking about the questions that have absolutely zero to do with this current discussions.

you said this:



and i had said this, which is the original tornado alley post:



i don't understand what is so different with what you just finished saying compared to what i said a while back in the discussion. but whatever.

Of course not.
Gays made America fabulous!

I didn't see much of a difference, either.

I think people who vote for ghouls like Trump or Ryan or whatever R is in their district are wildly misguided.

So are the people who voted for Hillary or Pelosi or whatever D is in their area - they aren't being served by their vote, either.

You claimed I was ducking or cherry-picking. Ask me what you feel I was ducking, specifically.

dammit.
I hate coming in second...

Yet, you voted for Clinton, and said you had to go take a shower afterwards.

My nephews most likely aren’t going to be ‘professionals’. They’ll likely be laborers or factory type workers. Nothing wrong with that. My stepdad worked for 36 years at Manville. My dad drove freight for a living. I don’t now nor have I ever seen it as below me or other such nonsense. What I do know is if you’re in an area with more of that type of thing it gives you options. You don’t have to do 40 years just because it’s the only gig in town. Options. That’s what thriving areas of the country provide.
As to where I grew up. Yes. You’ve got it.
If it weren’t for that river I would have lost my mind as a kid. Lots of childhood hours standing in that water and casting. Taught me to read water. Taught me it’s okay to be alone with your thoughts.

you cherry picked the argument over who ran on single payer. you only brought up trump, even though i specifically mentioned the house and senate. thats why i provided the evidence to help you understand more.

as for the rest of your post, i agree. voting down the line based on R or D isn't smart, nor do most serve their people.

but at least i can easily make the argument that Dems are more in touch with the people when it comes to social issues and healthcare. maybe even the feel of the economy.

Dems have stayed moderate, somewhat right leaning, but the GOP has moved to the far right.

Again, if you listen to Trump or Paul Ryan or Ted Cruz and think "wow, this guy has good ideas", you're probably not intelligent enough to realize when they say "everyone will have access to health care" that the word "access" doesn't mean "you can see a doctor for treatment".



Absolutely not.

Hillary LITERALLY ran on "I think America is already great!", and the success of Obamacare.

LITERALLY.

and got the majority of votes doing it.

one of those votes were....hold onto your butt.....you.

GM spreading his cheeks and farting into the mic to answer every debate question would've beaten Trump by at least 6 million votes.

Are you seriously trying to characterize that as an accomplishment?

I think the woman should be in jail. Her message wasn't effective in the slightest. I got off my couch and voted because the other guy is mentally handicapped.

her message was effective enough to have you vote for the person who should be in jail.

you can make whatever excuse you want that will help you sleep at night.

who did you vote for, again?

I'm just going to copy and paste myself -

I got off my couch and voted because the other guy is mentally handicapped.

ooo ooo i can do it too!!

And yet you said anyone that voted for either trump or clinton was wildly misguided. And you voted for one of them.

I said most.

Lot of people on this board who voted for Trump knowing full well their sin. Lot of people on thus board who voted for Hillary knowing full well their sin.

Those folks should be absolved.

The people who still continue to prop up Trump or Hillary as beacons of hope?

They're clueless.

No you didn't.

Here's the quote:

Here is the discussion in full text as far as my response. I don't believe I've omitted a single word, but if I have, feel free to correct me:



I think my point is fairly well laid out there. If it isn't, ask away.

2 posts above, you tried to say "I said most".

In your quote on this post, I've not seen "most".

And, you voted for hillary, unless you're going to try to word play again.

So, you were wildly misguided.

Were?

That's about the dumbest arguement I've ever heard. Name a state without its share of natural disasters. I guess all those moron libs in CA love the earthquakes, fires, and landslides every year. When you figure in the smog, gangs, and ridiculous home prices in the San Francisco area, it must be an absolute paradise.

The ny/NE area has terrible winters, and crime problems galore, and don't forget lovely chicago. Hawaiian libs refuse to leave the volcanos, earthquakes, tsunamis, anyd typhoons. Ohio has its share of horrible winters, tornados, and frozen lakes.

What's so safe and perfect about where you live?

Georgia had 20 tornados in one day earlier this year. lol

I'm not moving.

They are. I would never live in Cali for those exact reasons, never mind the cost of living.

Anyway, the rest of your post was nothing more than trigger filled nonsense, so I’m moving on.

Nah, the gist of your original post was "look how dumb these people are. The voted for trump, and they live in tornado alley and in places where it floods, so they obviously aren't smart."

Yes, that was the gist of your post.

what was that? i dont speak triggered.

Sure you do. You did in this thread. I mean, you actually said it.

that i speak triggered? hmmm.

good to know you acknowledge that youre triggered though.

Here's your post.