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Or ripping them apart. The jury needs to remain out so far for both sides of the argument

Are u going to force me to make u buckle up ....

Would you have it any other way

Must be another hindsight negative story he wanted to write. All critical, all old, none of it news. Tabloid sports. I hate this kind of smarmy and cynical kind of "news." Some how you are brilliant for writing it and throwing rocks for a sports mob mentality.

Can't be wrong with two feet in the past. I suspect he went home early after some snappy cut and paste from previous stories. Couldn't take much effort or art to create this.

Come back with some news. Nothing here to see for me.

After reading that article, I'm leaning heavily toward the idea that I don't want Hue involved in QB selection, at all. I think the baseball guy and the lawyer can do a better job of getting us the right guy.

There's no insult. And there are plenty of posters who want the FO gone. Not talking about you or vers or even mac in that regard. I think the 3 of you have commented about wanting to keep the FO even though you all feel they are more to "blame" than the coaching staff.


I'm actually going to agree with you about the front office and the quarterback situation. Relying on Hue for QB was not a good move. Not going to say Hue shouldn't be here, but I have thought giving Hue the power to select the QB could bring about some issues. I don't think you'll see this power allotted to a head coach in many places. I will akin Hue to Holmgren. Both thought they were "QB whisperers" and they're not. Holmgren didn't want Favre as his QB in GB, and when he went to Seattle he traded for the GB back-up Hasselbeck. Holmgren never drafted a QB worth a damn. Not in GB, not in Seattle, not here. Wentz was the quarterback Hue was looking for and he completely whiffed. The FO should have overruled him and drafted him anyway. Hue might be able to develop a QB (McCarron) but like Holmgren he sure can't pick'em.

Final say on the roster is continually over-hyped. It's not that important when the organization is collaborating as we are. There's also going to be mistakes, whether Hue demands a player or the FO wants so and so, it's not always going to work out.

Of all the passing on QBs, Wentz was the one to take. I'm not upset about Watson, and neither is Hue as he was noted as saying he wanted Hooker, whom you referred. At the moment I'm not too broken up about not drafting Hooker because we have the #7 pick currently and we could even draft a safety who could be better than Hooker.

I get everyone is upset we are 0-11... but we are on the right path. That's the point.

That is a fair post, but what makes you think the FO was not in on the QB decision? And what makes you believe that they can evaluate QBs?

Honestly, I don't think they can effectively evaluate quarterbacks, which is why they instilled that duty with Hue. Not saying it's only Hue's responsibility, the front office will chime in as well. And not saying the front office is oblivious to drafting a QB either, but I think they want all the help they can get drafting the most important position on the field. I can only go by the information that is out there, which is the front office has been adamant from day 1 that they were going to rely on Hue to pick the quarterback.

Based on the junk we have, I don't think there's anyone in that building that can evaluate a qb.

I actually wonder if Hue got it in his contract that he gets major input on QB's, and thus we're kinda bound to yield to him with that.

I would hope that, regardless of anyone's ability to evaluate the QB position, that an offensive-minded coach gets significant say in who they draft with a 1st rounder. I view it as simple professional courtesy. It's Hue's offense that the QB would be executing... the coach has to be on board.

That being said, I'm with GM. Even though it ended up being a big miss, I'm not going to fault Hue or the FO with missing on Wentz. The guy had huge ??? coming from the program that he did. The only real mistake the FO made was Depo saying what he did about Wentz.
Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm not going to fault them, either, and I was one of the larger proponents for taking Wentz. I was dejected when we passed on him.

That said, after RG3, Kessler, the almost-trade for McCarron at a king's ransom, the actual trade in Oakland for a king's ransom to get them Palmer, etc... and whomever else goes into that pile, I'm not sold on Hue's idea of QB or his ability to make decisions on who to get or what they're worth.

I think that he can coach them up better than most anyone, but I'm not sold that he can see who is the best candidate to be coached up (which I'm confused on how that it even possible).

Trust me.

I ran out of trust for Hue and his judgment some time ago. Doesn't mean he isn't right later after all down the road eventually at some point in time. But I do not believe he has that blind trust anymore.

It's time to get a real football guy in the front office. Not having a real structure like most teams is killing us. I loved the Hue hire when we got him but his in-fighting with the office and his poor play calling isnt working. I hate saying it but lets blow it up. Get a normal office structure and a young coach thay we can stick with. Grab a QB #1 (we havent done it since Couch) and then BPA.

I agree with everything you said except the "real" football guy thing, the bit about the structure, the parts about Hue, and blowing it up.

LOL

I should have clarified a little better on the real football guy part. We need a GM with some experience. It will be difficult with our.track record but its a route we havent gone before.

Actually, we did that with both Tom Heckert and Opie.

Even whatshisname that was part of the first front office had experience.
Actually, when you look back through it all, we've tried it a LOT and it has always ended up as a complete crapfest.

I should clarify... It's not that I don't think the front office can effectively evaluate QBs, I just don't know if they can or cant. I do think they do a very good job evaluating other positional players, however.

Holmgren was probably less qualified to be a GM than the guys we have in the front office now.

Seattle didn't start winning and drafting good players until Holmgren relinquished GM duties.

He had experience but he wasn't very good.

Perhaps this is what we're seeing with Hue? I've read people saying Hue has had success as a head coach, but has he? He took an 8-8 team and made them 8-8. He took a 3-13 team and went 1-15. He took a 1-15 team and gone 0-11. Where is the success?

"He’s been in the NFL for 10-plus years, has been involved in the cap and has been heavily involved in our football administration and operations for the last year or two. He’s very smart, very organized, good at systems and processes and an outstanding team player. He’s also very strategic."

But the "football guys" the last two regimes have done us so well. Or Holmgren? Or Mangini/That other guy here for a week. Or Savage? Or Butch Davis? Or.....

No. I'm not.

I am not buying the narrative that Hue--and Hue alone--is choosing our QBs. Depo said "we." He did not say "Hue."

I think you are actually more biased than mac. All the good moves are by the FO and you try and pin all the mistakes on Hue.

And Sashi's resume wasn't worthy of earning such an elevated position.

He's here now and he should remain if he can work w/Hue, but I'm sick of this rhetoric of how Hue is at fault for everything and guys like you give the FO a free pass and even are acting like they are doing a very good job.

I dont get it ... need to clarify... did u just say that Sashi should still have final say in personal decisions? ... that sounds like what u said it i dont believe thats what u meant ...

Please clear that up for me ...

Why do people have to keep repeating to you that this is not what people are saying? How many times is this now?

Goodness, the hyperbole is nauseating.

You know, it's ok for posters to like more what the FO is doing than what Hue is doing and it not at all being FO-100%; Hue 0%.

You comprehend that, right? Or no?

No. I'm saying that no one should be fired if Hue and the FO can work together.

I would like to see a personnel guy added to the staff. A guy w/actual experience in evaluating collegiate players. Berry's background in the personnel department was on the pro level. Sasha had none. Depo had none. Grigson is an abrasive turd who could be the one who is behind the tension. I would have no problem if he was allowed to "explore other opportunities."

If they can work together, it is best to stick w/the plan. Moving forward, I would like to see:

--Hue and his staff be in charge of the final 53 and playing time. Roster decisions made by guys who aren't there is stupid and self-serving. Keeping guys like Louis and cutting guys like Haden is proof of what can go wrong when you don't rely on the coaching staff to choose the final 53.

--I don't think coaches should have much say in the draft. They don't have time to scout the players as much as they should. Think back to some of Butch's picks to confirm that notion. I do think the coaching staff should say what kind of players [and positions] they are looking for, but leave the actual choice to the scouts and the guy[s] who oversee that part of the organization.

I disagree w/your take.

You do realize that it's okay for me to express my opinions just as it's okay for you guys to express yours. You trying to shout me down will not change that fact.

Now, go find another article or tweet that contains negative news about Hue.

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Thats why i asked for clarification ...

I agree ... i want a football guy even though the menZas keep pointing out they all failed here since our return ..

I’m sure there all for brining in a PYSHSIC next ... *L* ...

Express your opinions all you want....just don't make up things that you claim posters are saying. You do this countless times on here, and unfortunately, need to be called out for it.

I am not making a damn thing up.

Then you have a selective reading issue, or as you normally put it....reading comprehension problems.

Typical. Respond w/an insult when you are faced w/the truth! You can have the last word.

We have varying definintions of what "truth" means. But hyperbole? Maybe not.

I agree. The QB whisperer my butt.

From reading this thread its evident that you are having troubles understanding other posters positions...

Actually its not having problems understanding but I think the: you are either with Hue or with the FO, is vital to your argument.

Some of the posters, where I would include you, would like to keep Hue and because of that they have to put most of the blame on the FO.

Other posters like the talent and support the FO and the continuity argument,so they have to blame Hue the most.

In the end, I think most of the Browns fans and people who post here are displeased with both Hue and the FO, so we would see no problems on firing both.

I'm sure there are some Fans that are happy with both Hue and the FO...

I personally think Hue has not shown to be more than a mediocre Head Coach, and that the FO although showing some leadership and management skills is strategically completely wrong on their take on the NFL, and while trying to revert the bad drafts that took us here, they actually persisted on the same errors.

All and all,fire them both, not only because they have failed so far, but because they have not shown any glimpses that they have what it takes to turn the ship around...

Bingo.