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Man! People are freaking about calling a TO at the end of the half while Jimmy Haslam is looking like a crook.


I really don't think he will get away with this now that they have his voice in the meeting. And to tell ya the truth? He shouldn't get away with it.

He will probably do less than a couple of years at a minimum security prison and be released early for good behavior. The rich are different.


Imagine if the next thing they find is that he sent Top Secret government emails on his private server. THAT will surely get people's attention.

Apology disclaimer: I apologize for sliding in what might seem like a political comment there.

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Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
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Man! People are freaking about calling a TO at the end of the half while Jimmy Haslam is looking like a crook.


I really don't think he will get away with this now that they have his voice in the meeting. And to tell ya the truth? He shouldn't get away with it.

He will probably do less than a couple of years at a minimum security prison and be released early for good behavior. The rich are different.


Billionaires don't do time lol, unless you're Bernie Madoff and ripped off other billionaires.

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Originally Posted By: 3rd_and_20
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Man! People are freaking about calling a TO at the end of the half while Jimmy Haslam is looking like a crook.


I really don't think he will get away with this now that they have his voice in the meeting. And to tell ya the truth? He shouldn't get away with it.

He will probably do less than a couple of years at a minimum security prison and be released early for good behavior. The rich are different.


Billionaires don't do time lol, unless you're Bernie Madoff and ripped off other billionaires.


Usually billionaires in America do not, I agree with you here, but still? He seems like he's in a lot of trouble - like you're going to prison sorta trouble. But we shall see.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Man! People are freaking about calling a TO at the end of the half while Jimmy Haslam is looking like a crook.


There’s a reason i call him the THIEF vers ...

The man is an impatient, abrasive, bully that only cared about one thing ... PROFITS!!!

Its HORRIBLE what happened here ... water under the bridge at this point ... its not like we can turn back time and fix it all .... so at this point ...

I would hope he is FORCED to SELL the team ... my guess is he will just give it to someone else in the family ... maybe even his wife Dee ... that would be better but NOT NEAR GOOD ENOUGH ... she seems as ill equipped as he does to run a team ... especially if she signed off on this DUMB ASS STRUCTURE where a lawyer has final say on personal ... MORONIC ...

I would LOVE an entirely new owner ...




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Dee already has a significant role in the management of this organization. I think some could argue, at least recently, more than Jimmy.


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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It would be great if we got a new owner, but this situation w/Jimmy is probably why Dee has been so much more involved in the last couple of years. I really don't know enough about her to comment much.

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Dee already has a significant role in the management of this organization. I think some could argue, at least recently, more than Jimmy.


Ya .. thats what scares me about her .. shes either his puppet or a DUMB ASS too ...




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Dee already has a significant role in the management of this organization. I think some could argue, at least recently, more than Jimmy.


Ya .. thats what scares me about her .. shes either his puppet or a DUMB ASS too ...



I think she might be a better option than Jimmy to be honest.


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Dee already has a significant role in the management of this organization. I think some could argue, at least recently, more than Jimmy.


Ya .. thats what scares me about her .. shes either his puppet or a DUMB ASS too ...



I think she might be a better option than Jimmy to be honest.


I’d agree with that ... the question is .. HOW MUCH BETTER and will it be GOOD ENOUGH ... if she signed off on the BS with Sashi ... were still screwed ... whats next ... a PHYSHIC in charge of personal ... wink

We have no clue how long shes been involved or how much influence she has ...




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Don't get why thief/ billionaire stuff is in football forum....who's paid off the forum police.....Sashi & Company being thrown under bus after small sample size-ie what are draft results.....football guys like Hologram and Heckert, good to great football men/pickers- ie not brains and analytics guys took Gordon- how'd their background check of him pan out, Richardson- a stud....and hold on Weeden...JUST to name a few from GREAT football guys- Coleman, Garrett, look like STUDS compared to those two or three......Hope JG pans out, but man, was ANY background check done on him.....WOW!!!!


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Yep, nearly every thread goes to crap at some point. It sure ain't the same site from days gone by...

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Hmmmmm ...GREAT QUESTION ....

Its not like hes our owner or anything ... rolleyes ...

The FOOTBALL GUY ROUTE has worked out very well for EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING and PLAYOFF TEAM for the entire history of the league ..

U must let your garbage man do your taxes ... rofl

PS. There’s a place for ANALYTICS and guys like Sashi ...

Just not as the FINAL DECISION MAKER ON PERSONAL MATTERS ...

Why does it have to be all or nothing ...

Sheesh ...

So so ILLOGICAL!!!




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DiamDawg, you make funny catchy jokes about front office- gman/taxes; but you're missing huge point JMHO - Sashi isn't making decision in vacuum AND he's made Coleman and Garrett- our highest draft picks- NOT against football minds- Coleman was rated best WR in most pre draft polls and Garrett was NUMBER ONE and we took him. Sashi didn't make picks without Hue's inputs, and you/and others forget completely Andrew Berry- All League 3 time conerback at Harvard- guess BRAINS and athelte don't mix for you and others. We, fans, know next to NOTHING about how decisions are made in Browns organization......results, SO FAR, are putrid, time will tell.....where has the three/four years to not turn over the top gone....gone with the wind when times get TOUGH......GO Browns!!!!

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg


The FOOTBALL GUY ROUTE has worked out very well for EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING and PLAYOFF TEAM for the entire history of the league ..


For every Superbowl winning team it has worked for there are 31 other teams that it didn't work so well for (until last year when it is only 30)

Not great odds, just saying tongue


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Yeah and that four teams the Browns, Jaguars, Lions, and Texans have never made the Super Bowl. Go figure!


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Honestly and I know this is opening a door for people to slam me...I can care less what happens with Jimmy.
I'm sure he is not a saint but as long as it does not effect my Browns.

Quite Frankly When Dee came on the seen last season I knew she was taking over the reigns from Jimmy. She is squeaky clean and smart to boot. He will have to pay some heavy duty fines.
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When the Pilot thread in Tailgate was raging when the arrests and charges were coming down, I made a couple posts where I said I believe Haslam when he said that he didn't know what was going on. I believed him because the folks that were being arrested/charged/questioned were all at least 2 levels below him. I believed him that he didn't know because none of his direct reports were implicated.

Well, now the recording supposedly changes things. I'd love to hear it myself to try to figure out the context, but from what is being reported, it's pretty damning.


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Originally Posted By: hitt
Don't get why thief/ billionaire stuff is in football forum....who's paid off the forum police.....Sashi & Company being thrown under bus after small sample size-ie what are draft results.....football guys like Hologram and Heckert, good to great football men/pickers- ie not brains and analytics guys took Gordon- how'd their background check of him pan out, Richardson- a stud....and hold on Weeden...JUST to name a few from GREAT football guys- Coleman, Garrett, look like STUDS compared to those two or three......Hope JG pans out, but man, was ANY background check done on him.....WOW!!!!


Brilliant!

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Browns owner Jimmy Haslam not charged, but looms large in Pilot Flying J fraud trial

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/12/browns_owner_jimmy_haslam_not.html

By Associated Press

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Jimmy Haslam is not charged with any wrongdoing in a fraud scheme at his family's truck stop chain, Pilot Flying J, but the Cleveland Browns owner has loomed large in the federal trial of former executives and sales representatives.

With the trial moving into its second month, scrutiny of Haslam's role at Pilot is only likely to intensify as the prosecutors look to wrap up their case and the defense phase gets underway.

Pilot Flying J was founded by family patriarch Jim Haslam, a former University of Tennessee football player, with a single gas station in 1958.

His other son, Bill Haslam, was president of Pilot before being elected Knoxville mayor in 2003 and later to his current position as Tennessee governor.

The Haslams have denied any prior knowledge of the scheme.

Here's what we've learned so far:

Rebate fraud: The four defendants in the case maintain their innocence -- former President Mark Hazelwood, former Vice President Scott "Scooter" Wombold, and former sales representatives Heather Jones and Karen Mann.

Read more: Timeline of an informant's work in the Pilot case

However, 14 other former members of the Pilot sales team have pleaded guilty to participating in the scheme to shortchange trucking customers on diesel rebates. The company paid a $92 million penalty to the federal government and settled a class action lawsuit for $85 million.

Prosecutors say the scheme ran from at least 2008 until agents raided the company's headquarters in 2013. One former executive testified that the fraudulent practices at Pilot began small and then spread. "We kind of slid into it," former northeast regional sales director Arnie Ralenkotter said.

Star witness to come? Prosecutors have been building their case with testimony from an array of former Pilot employees from the lower and middle ranks of the sales team. They have detailed how the company preyed on less sophisticated trucking customers unlikely to be able to keep up with the complex discount system.

Former Vice President John "Stick" Freeman, whom the government describes as the architect of the fraud scheme, has yet to take the stand. But he has been featured prominently in others' testimony and in undercover recordings played for the jury, including one in which he boasts that Haslam "loved it" when the sales team swindled customers. "He knew -- absolutely," Freeman said in the recording. Freeman pleaded guilty in July.

Defense strategy: Defense attorneys have signaled that Haslam will feature prominently in their efforts to persuade the jury of reasonable doubt. Hazelwood's lawyers have said that that Haslams' relationship with Freeman will be "highly relevant" to the case.

"Make no mistake about it, Jimmy Haslam III and (his father) Jim Haslam II were in charge of this company," attorney Anthony Drumheller said. "This was a family company they owned and strongly managed."

Wombold's lawyer, John Keller, said his client did not participate in the scheme, and even saw his professional prospects eclipsed by those like Freeman who were directly involved in the fraud.

'Jimmy, we've been caught': Investigators were denied in an effort to lure Haslam into discussing the fraud scheme in a recorded phone conversation before agents descended on the company's Knoxville headquarters in 2013.

Former sales executive Brian Mosher testified that agents had him call Haslam to say, "Jimmy, we've been caught." Mosher said Haslam replied: "I understand there are some folks at your house," and then handed the phone to a lawyer in Pilot's legal department.

Court filings submitted before the trial suggested that investigators' plans may have been thwarted by Mosher's wife passing along word that the FBI was at the house to Wombold, who in turn informed Hazelwood.

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