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Two former officials with the Trump transition team who worked closely with Flynn say that during the last days of the Obama administration, the retired general was instructed to contact foreign ambassadors and foreign ministers of countries on the U.N. Security Council, ahead of a vote condemning Israeli settlements. Flynn was told to try to get them to delay that vote until after Barack Obama had left office, or oppose the resolution altogether.

That is relevant now because one of Flynn’s lies to the FBI was when he said that he never asked Russia's ambassador to Washington, Sergey Kislyak, to delay the vote for the U.N. Security Council resolution. The indictment released today from the office of special prosecutor Robert Mueller describes this lie: "On or about December 22, 2016, Flynn did not ask the Russian Ambassador to delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution."

At the time, the U.N. Security Council resolution on Israeli settlements was a big deal. Even though the Obama administration had less than a month left in office, the president instructed his ambassador to the United Nations to abstain from a resolution, breaking a precedent that went back to 1980 when it came to one-sided anti-Israel resolutions at the U.N.

I seriously doubt he would make it through the impeachment process without being acquitted, much like Clinton. At this point, I feel like there are enough fingers to be pointed elsewhere for him to say, "I had no idea." Better to choose incompetence over malice.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify the impeachment comparison ends at the acquittal. I'm not comparing the reasons for impeachment.

Kushner Ordered Flynn to Contact Russia

What does the ABC report mean to you?

Uh? Leaves me wondering if these unnamed sources are the same unnamed sources who you guys have relied on for over a year of "Get Trump".

He doesn't appear to understand what the word "collusion" means. I doubt he even bothered to read it.

"There you go again!

On the other page you said, "The notion or act of collusion is far less troubling"

And then you said, "The notion that Trump was elected through Collusion is ridiculous".

Now its all about Collusion?

Shave The Neck!!!

Nothing about Collusion to get Trump elected though. Nada.

From my original posts. Now stop twisting what I said.

Shave the Neck!

I am saying there is no evidence of Collusion between Trump and the Russians to get him elected. Never has been.

I am saying there is no evidence of Collusion between Trump and the Russians to get him elected. Never has been.

"Russia if your listening"

Secret meetings with Family Trump and top campaign aides with Russians.

Nope... He didn't know a thing. Denial

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Jared Kushner is the “very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team” who directed Michael Flynn to contact the Russian ambassador, and other countries, regarding the UN Security Council vote on Israeli settlements, according to sources familiar with the matter.

While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump-campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true. Speculation that Flynn is now cooperating in Mueller’s investigation stirred in recent days due to reports that Flynn had pulled out of a joint defense agreement (or “common interest” arrangement) to share information with other subjects of the investigation. As an ethical matter, it is inappropriate for an attorney whose client is cooperating with the government (or having negotiations toward that end) to continue strategizing with, and having quasi-privileged communications with, other subjects of the investigation and their counsel. Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation. That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy. Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency. To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation

Hey look, my guess was right!



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nope. He pleaded guilty. Just saying, I have seen you guys over and over again say "this is it!!!" only to watch tax reform get another step closer.

"Russia if your listening"

Secret meetings with Family Trump and top campaign aides with Russians.

Nope... He didn't know a thing. Denial

? That’s an entirely separate issue.

You realize everything they are talking about happened AFTER the election. The meeting with the Russians, Flynn being told to meet with them. This was after the election.

He is specifically quoting a pre-election, campaign quote from then-candidate President Dementia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html

hahaha that's your big collusion, man those signs Kelly ann held up are right...DELLUSION