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Read my post above.

Also the investigation isn’t over with, you and others should remember that. It’s clearly far from over.


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Mueller is coming.


I hope my friends who love The Wire or those that enjoy David Simon appreciate this meme.



I don't, Rocket.

Mueller is the guy who watched Ray Rice coldcock a woman in an elevator and basically said "who knows? Two sides to every story".

A pertinent "Wire" analogy is Clay Davis. Trump is Clay Davis

Mark my words, Trump will walk away from this.


When did he say this?

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The report said Mueller and his team analyzed 51 computers, 42 tablet and mobile devices and two external storage devices, including those of Goodell, senior vice president of security Jeffrey Miller, NFL general counsel Jeff Pash and senior vice president of law and labor policy Adolpho Birch. The investigation "imaged" the devices to determine whether the original file of the in-elevator video ever reached the league offices before it was publicly released, but found no evidence of that.

"We found no evidence that anyone at the NFL had or saw the in-elevator video before it was publicly shown," Mueller said in a media release. "We also found no evidence that a woman at the NFL acknowledged receipt of that video in a voicemail message on April 9, 2014.

"We concluded there was substantial information about the incident — even without the in-elevator video — indicating the need for a more thorough investigation. The NFL should have done more with the information it had, and should have taken additional steps to obtain all available information about the February 15 incident."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...tion/101809590/

Mueller tried to argue that the NFL couldn't obtain survelliance video from a casino that mid-level gossip blogs somehow managed to.

Vegas bows to the NFL, it's their lifeblood. Mueller could've taken Roger Goodell's scalp, and he chose to be cordial.

He'll do the same here.

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Did Mueller really see the tape, or did the NFL try to hide it? Occam's razor ain't too sharp on this one.

Anyways, I do see the Clay Davis allusion.

This is just my optimism vs your realism. We're both too stubborn to budge one way or the other tongue

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It's not the collusion, it's the incompetency.




Ok, then there is nothing for you to complain about.

We have had a lot of incompetent Presidents. Andy Jackson was probably the first. In modern times, Jimmy Carter was ill equiped to be President, but since then, I have gained a lot of admiriation for President Carter. He has been a very excellent Ex-President.

My wife and I went to Plains, Ga. 4-5 years ago to attend a Sunday School taught by the Ex- President before the regular service. Had a nice talk with him and his wife after the service. Wasn't much of a talk, but for most people it was a photo and move on. My wife has a mutual friend of theirs, and we chatted for maybe near a minute. We were told not to shake hands with the President, but he offered his, letting his SS agents know it was OK. I was honored.

Jimmy Carter might not have been a great President, but he is a great man.


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Carter is a good man and a bright man. He was a bad president.

Trump isn't a good man or a bright man. He's not even a competent man.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
This is just my optimism vs your realism. We're both too stubborn to budge one way or the other tongue


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g86CrRm49Bc

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Carter is a good man and a bright man. He was a bad president.

Trump isn't a good man or a bright man. He's not even a competent man.




Good man I might agree. I disagree on the others. I think he is pretty bright and pretty competent.



The competent part may not apply to being Presdent....time will tell on that. It's early.


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No colusion, and I'm still laughin at the libs who think they got something today.

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Nobody should be surprised the Russians tried to meddle in our elections.

We tried to meddle in theirs.
And also elections of basically every other country out there.

Pretty standard operating procedure in the world...


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So then why is everyone in the trump Administration lying about it?

For something apparently normal, this is the first time we’ve seen 4 indictments, 2 guilty pleas, recusals, and spin jobs since watergate.

Meddling in elections? Sure. Tag teaming with our biggest adversary who hacked the dnc in an attempt to sway the election in trumps favor? Not so sure that’s normal.


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So then why is everyone in the trump Administration lying about it?

For something apparently normal, this is the first time we’ve seen 4 indictments, 2 guilty pleas, recusals, and spin jobs since watergate.

Meddling in elections? Sure. Tag teaming with our biggest adversary who hacked the dnc in an attempt to sway the election in trumps favor? Not so sure that’s normal.


Should be pretty obvious.

Hysterical liberals looking for any reason to oust Trump.

Because yenno, it was all ok and "normal" when Hillary was making deals with Russians.

It's a power play. Pure and simple.


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What deal did she make with the Russians?


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What deal did she make with the Russians?


Do we really need to go through that again.

Come on man.


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He is upset that a good man like Flynn made a mistake.


Now good men lie to the FBI? Yes , good men make mistakes. I know I do.

Mueller is coming.


Sure people make mistakes.. but his mistakes are willful and deliberate. He lied to the FBI, he admitted that, he failed to disclose representing foreign governments for cash, he misled the VP of the US, he lied on his SF-86 documents, he discussed sanctions with the Russian Ambassador then denied and tried to conceal that..

He most likely concealed his payments from Russia and Turkey on his taxes.. in addition.. he's extremely stupid. He should have invoked his 5th amendment rights instead of denying.. now he's caught.

He has to work with Mueller to keep himself and his son out of jail. He can't afford to lie again.

But, he's a nice guy that made a weensie lil 'stake..


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He is upset that a good man like Flynn made a mistake.


Now good men lie to the FBI? Yes , good men make mistakes. I know I do.

Mueller is coming.


Sure people make mistakes.. but his mistakes are willful and deliberate. He lied to the FBI, he admitted that, he failed to disclose representing foreign governments for cash, he misled the VP of the US, he lied on his SF-86 documents, he discussed sanctions with the Russian Ambassador then denied and tried to conceal that..

He most likely concealed his payments from Russia and Turkey on his taxes.. in addition.. he's extremely stupid. He should have invoked his 5th amendment rights instead of denying.. now he's caught.

He has to work with Mueller to keep himself and his son out of jail. He can't afford to lie again.

But, he's a nice guy that made a weensie lil 'stake..


I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.

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What deal did she make with the Russians?


Do we really need to go through that again.

Come on man.


You’re the one who said it.

Uranium one already showed to be a big ass nothing burger by the right in order to deflect from the russia investigation.

Even Fox News stopped covering it once their own anchor Shepar smith schooled everybody on the dead on facts of the deal, which included him pointing out that Hillary had no say so in the deal to begin with. Never mind the FACT that he uranium is not in a form that can be used to make nukes, AND it can’t even leave the country. So we sold Russians uranium that they can’t even use for nukes, and have to spend their own money to maintain said uranium in THIS country.

So again, what deal did she make with the Russians?


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Probably the one that landed 150 Million or whatever amount in her foundation. From the Russians.

Do you think they did that out of goodwill and charitable giving?


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Probably the one that landed 150 Million or whatever amount in her foundation. From the Russians.

Do you think they did that out of goodwill and charitable giving?


Putin is Mr. Charity.

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Who knows.

But the facts have been laid out by multiple people all over the spectrum.

At this point you’re bringing up boogyman hiding under the bed. Doesn’t exist but you won’t be convinced regardless.


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Who knows.

But the facts have been laid out by multiple people all over the spectrum.

At this point you’re bringing up boogyman hiding under the bed. Doesn’t exist but you won’t be convinced regardless.


I'm not doing anything other than telling you why there is this russian witch hunt now.

Power Play.

Everybody knows they meddle in our elections and we meddle in theirs.

What do you think the CIA does with their time? lol

It's just that Dems think they can play gotcha to oust the Repubs.

That's all that this is about.

If you think that any of these people care about russians, you'd be wrong.


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So anyways, it will be interesting to see who Flynn flipped on. Did he snitch on the Kush god, or did he snitch on trump?


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I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.


The president is a senile rapist game show host.

Sure, Flynn is incompetent. But I don't think stacking up versus Trump is a tall task.

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He is upset that a good man like Flynn made a mistake.


Now good men lie to the FBI? Yes , good men make mistakes. I know I do.

Mueller is coming.


Sure people make mistakes.. but his mistakes are willful and deliberate. He lied to the FBI, he admitted that, he failed to disclose representing foreign governments for cash, he misled the VP of the US, he lied on his SF-86 documents, he discussed sanctions with the Russian Ambassador then denied and tried to conceal that..

He most likely concealed his payments from Russia and Turkey on his taxes.. in addition.. he's extremely stupid. He should have invoked his 5th amendment rights instead of denying.. now he's caught.

He has to work with Mueller to keep himself and his son out of jail. He can't afford to lie again.

But, he's a nice guy that made a weensie lil 'stake..


I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.


The Prez is the one that made him Nat Sec Advisor and tried to get Comey to lay off the investigation..

Keep trying..


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Shep Smith may have the most annoying voice i ever heard.

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Shep Smith may have the most annoying voice i ever heard.


That means nothing.


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He is upset that a good man like Flynn made a mistake.


Now good men lie to the FBI? Yes , good men make mistakes. I know I do.

Mueller is coming.


Sure people make mistakes.. but his mistakes are willful and deliberate. He lied to the FBI, he admitted that, he failed to disclose representing foreign governments for cash, he misled the VP of the US, he lied on his SF-86 documents, he discussed sanctions with the Russian Ambassador then denied and tried to conceal that..

He most likely concealed his payments from Russia and Turkey on his taxes.. in addition.. he's extremely stupid. He should have invoked his 5th amendment rights instead of denying.. now he's caught.

He has to work with Mueller to keep himself and his son out of jail. He can't afford to lie again.

But, he's a nice guy that made a weensie lil 'stake..


I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.


The Prez is the one that made him Nat Sec Advisor and tried to get Comey to lay off the investigation..

Keep trying..


Keep trying?. What do you mean? Flynn pleading to a lesser charge means nothing.

You better keep trying.

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You do understand how plea bargaining works?


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Jimmy Carter might not have been a great President, but he is a great man.


Truth right here.
The man is still living his morals and convictions.

90 years old, and building houses for poor folk.

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I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.



It doesn't work the way you think. If the info he provides during his flip can't be verified he gets no deal.

So... If he's getting a deal, that means he has verifiable Goods on people higher up the chain.

This thing is far from over. Mueller is highly organized, methodical, and absolutely relentless.

Hold onto your seats... there will be turbulence ahead.



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You do understand how plea bargaining works?


Somebody is going fishing for a trophy fish and they got some bait

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You do understand how plea bargaining works?


Somebody is going fishing for a trophy fish and they got some bait


We have a bingo!


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This is already over. Very weak case. Next week the Liberals will be back to talking about first lady shoes and paper towels.

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It's not the collusion, it's the incompetency.




Ok, then there is nothing for you to complain about.

We have had a lot of incompetent Presidents. Andy Jackson was probably the first. In modern times, Jimmy Carter was ill equiped to be President, but since then, I have gained a lot of admiriation for President Carter. He has been a very excellent Ex-President.


John Adams signed the Alien and Sedition Act, making it illegal to defame the government, like 8 years after he signed the Constitution. I think he's the first incompetent President we've ever had. The only evidence to the contrary is Paul Giamatti being very likable in an HBO doc. But that's the same man who was turned blue by Malcolm in the Middle.


Andrew Jackson is a man who did not give an F. Hardly incompetent. He just knew that he controlled the military and his word was law. The dude was very efficient though. Too bad he was a piece of crap.

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Don't forget he also saved the country and our westward expansion by defeating the British in New Orleans.


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Not sure where this is going ... thats a very insignificant charge with everything I’ve heard they have on him and his son. Thats one hell of a plea deal and he’s gonna fight like a cornered animal to protect his kid ...

No clue what they have ... so far NOTHING ... but i dont know why Mueller would reduce his charges So much right after Flynn’s legal team cut off communications with Trumps ...




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I guess he is a liar. Does not bode well as a witness against the president.



It doesn't work the way you think. If the info he provides during his flip can't be verified he gets no deal.

So... If he's getting a deal, that means he has verifiable Goods on people higher up the chain.

This thing is far from over. Mueller is highly organized, methodical, and absolutely relentless.

Hold onto your seats... there will be turbulence ahead.



As long as "everyone" told the truth when they were interviewed by the FBI, they shouldn't have a problem, right?



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Not sure where this is going ... thats a very insignificant charge with everything I’ve heard they have on him and his son. Thats one hell of a plea deal and he’s gonna fight like a cornered animal to protect his kid ...

No clue what they have ... so far NOTHING ... but i dont know why Mueller would reduce his charges So much right after Flynn’s legal team cut off communications with Trumps ...



Its going upstream to catch a bigger fish, that's where it is going.

Oh, they have something...count on it;
they wouldn't cut this kind of deal on a nuthinburger.

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Not sure where this is going ... thats a very insignificant charge with everything I’ve heard they have on him and his son. Thats one hell of a plea deal and he’s gonna fight like a cornered animal to protect his kid ...

No clue what they have ... so far NOTHING ... but i dont know why Mueller would reduce his charges So much right after Flynn’s legal team cut off communications with Trumps ...



Its going upstream to catch a bigger fish, that's where it is going.

Oh, they have something...count on it;
they wouldn't cut this kind of deal on a nuthinburger.


They have nothing. They've never had more than nothing. They cut a deal to try to get flynn to say what they want him to say.


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Not sure where this is going ... thats a very insignificant charge with everything I’ve heard they have on him and his son. Thats one hell of a plea deal and he’s gonna fight like a cornered animal to protect his kid ...


Lying to the FBI is not an insignificant charge..it carries up to 5 yrs for each incident.

His son was not charged..but could be if Daddy Flynn does not tell the truth. You think Dad wants to put his son in jail?

At some point, Mueller might use the same strategy against Daddy Trump..have Don JR and son in law Jared lied to the FBI?

Mueller has leverage he can use if needed. If everyone told the FBI the truth, no one would be in the mess they created themselves.


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