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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Did you vote while there?

She's not a Democrat.


It would probably be in her best interest if she was

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Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Hey a serious question.
The sane members of the board see this tax plan wreaking havoc on the economy. Likely leading to another crash. So I have a nice nest egg in my 401k. It’s fairly diverse. Should I slide away from stock based holdings and move that money into securities and bonds? Accepting the 2-3% growth while hopefully riding out the volatility. All of it? Part of it? I’ve got 15 years or better till retirement but don’t want to eat the last decade or better of savings.


I think the market closes in on 30k next year, bubble will burst around that point and it will be bad. Just pure speculation on my part though. wink

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Haha

Did you read the tax plan info I posted?

I was so happy I slipped a whole dollar into the Santa Claus can.


DAN GILBERT: I'm going to take your money

40: Yes, sir

DAN GILBERT: Wipe my butt

40 [scurrying to grab toilet paper]: Yes, sir

DAN GILBERT: You're going to pay for my private jet fuel, too

40: Yes, sir.

DAN GILBERT: Wipe harder

40: Yes, sir

http://fortune.com/2017/12/01/trump-senate-vote-tax-reform-cuts-bill-plan/

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Don't get this thread locked too.


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Oh Nvm I guess it is due for that.


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How long did it take ... smile




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To Alabama?

1.3 hours round trip.


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Swish and Phil,

While it's fun to do this:


Let's stop and instead institute this:

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Oh Nvm I guess it is due for that.


we got more replies to go before it gets locked.


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Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Hey a serious question.
The sane members of the board see this tax plan wreaking havoc on the economy.


rofl ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
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Hey a serious question.
The sane members of the board see this tax plan wreaking havoc on the economy.


rofl ...



No, more like this rofl rofl rofl

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Thats not long at all ... wonder how long it would take me .. .

I plan on starting a tour of SEC stadiums next year ... want to do two a year ...

I’m thinking of starting with the two Bama schools ...




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I didn’t want to insult him ... wink




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Me neither.

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Its not far from Atl to Alabama.

It seems farther driving from SC to Atl.

But Bama and Auburn would be pretty righteous to visit.


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I love the little corridor of I-75 going north over the FL-GA line. It's nothing but billboards about Church and Porn for 60 miles.

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I love the little corridor of I-75 going north over the FL-GA line. It's nothing but billboards about Church and Porn for 60 miles.


We Bare All

rofl rofl rofl


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I love the little corridor of I-75 going north over the FL-GA line. It's nothing but billboards about Church and Porn for 60 miles.


We Bare All

rofl rofl rofl


This post isn’t worth anything without pictures. laugh


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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I love the little corridor of I-75 going north over the FL-GA line. It's nothing but billboards about Church and Porn for 60 miles.


We Bare All

rofl rofl rofl


This post isn’t worth anything without pictures. laugh


Sure, here you go. Just go to exit 374. hahahaha



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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I love the little corridor of I-75 going north over the FL-GA line. It's nothing but billboards about Church and Porn for 60 miles.


We Bare All

rofl rofl rofl


This post isn’t worth anything without pictures. laugh



Sure, here you go. Just go to exit 374. hahahaha



That did it for me! laugh


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I’m really looking forward to it ... not sure witch two will be next year .. at least of the Bama teams ... so many choices ...

I’m prolly going to Athens next weekend for one of my nephews soccer tourny’s ... willgo to campus and drive by the stadium ...

Wish the tourny was this weekend .. i’d Go to campus now ... its gotta be rocking tonight ..




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Just be sure to get gas before entering Alabama.

Because that state only has one gas station, and you'll never find it.

I almost run out of gas every time time I drive through there.


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Massage parlor and Liquor store galore..


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we all know what the massage parlors are for...


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that's just too funny.

real life.


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I hope this country doesn't look like Kansas.

We all saw what happened when they made it rain on the rich. state is a trainwreck.

As Trump Proposes Tax Cuts, Kansas Deals With Aftermath Of Experiment

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Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback is notorious for what is known as the Kansas experiment, a bold effort to assert the power of limited government.

In 2012, the Republican governor pushed reforms through the state Legislature that dramatically cut income taxes across the board. Brownback boasted the plan would deliver a "shot of adrenaline" to the Kansas economy.

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But the opposite happened.

Revenues shrank, and the economy grew more slowly than in neighboring states and the country as a whole. Kansas' bond rating plummeted, and the state cut funding to education and infrastructure.

Last year, the Republican-controlled state Legislature voted to roll back the tax cuts, but Kansas is still dealing with the aftermath of this bold experiment. State lawmakers are now seeking to close a $900 million budget gap over the next two years.

Burdett Loomis, a political scientist at the University of Kansas, says the experiment was as much a political play as it was about governing.

"My personal thought here is that Brownback came back to Kansas from the [U.S.] Senate to demonstrate that Kansas could be this small government heaven on Earth, that would help him honestly run for president in 2012," Loomis says.

When Brownback was elected in 2010, Kansas, like many other states, was still struggling to rebound after the Great Recession.

"Well, Kansas for years had been thought of as being somewhat behind other states in the region in terms of growth," says Kenneth Kriz, a professor of public finance at Wichita State University. "There was a push starting really with the first years of the Brownback administration to do something with tax policy to help turn the tide and to make Kansas more attractive as a place to live and do business."

Brownback promised the tax cuts would lead to an extra 22,000 jobs over the next five years. It also reduced the number of tax brackets for individual income from three to two.

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A key part of the plan slashed to zero the tax rate pass-through businesses pay. Small businesses — such as sole proprietorships, partnerships and S corporations — pay taxes through the individual income tax code, not the corporate one. Under the Kansas plan, the pass-through tax rate was reduced from 7 percent to zero.

Kriz says big companies exploited this tax exemption.

"There were a lot of really big companies that were actually [limited liability] like big law firms in this state, oil exploration companies then," he says.

Others supposedly lied on their tax forms.

"Most famously, a couple of basketball coaches allegedly — although nobody can ever prove this — were alleged to have retitled themselves as independent contractors in order to be able to take advantage of it for their multimillion-dollar incomes," Kriz says.

The theory of the plan — supply-side or trickle-down economics — is a divisive one. For decades, Republicans have touted the economic theory, which seeks to create growth through lowering taxes and decreasing regulation.

"Any serious model tells you that economic growth always leads to increases in revenues, not reductions in revenue," says Arthur Laffer, an economist who advised President Ronald Reagan and the Trump campaign, among others. He helped create the Kansas tax plan and is considered by many to be the father of supply-side economics.

But when the tax cuts went into effect in 2014, their failure was seen almost instantly. State revenues plummeted by almost $700 million, Kriz says.

"To put it in context, the state general fund budget is about $6 billion, and so that's 10 percent revenue loss in one year," he says. "That's a lot for any government to have to make [up]."

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State lawmakers tried to balance the budget by tapping into reserves and the highway fund. They put construction projects on hold; pension contributions dropped; and Medicaid was cut.

The state also refashioned the school funding formula and closed and consolidated several school districts. School funding consumes about half of Kansas' budget.

Loomis says the Kansas experiment occurred after a shift in the state Legislature.

Since the 1970s, the state government had been moderately conservative and "pretty much reflected the nature of Kansans," he says. Then during the Tea Party wave in 2010 — when hundreds of congressional and state government seats were won by Republicans — the Kansas Legislature moved further right. Brownback, who had served 14 years in the U.S. Senate, was also elected as governor.

Because of the state's deficit problems, Brownback did not run for president in 2012, and he barely won re-election in 2014. Republicans in the Legislature voted to overturn his tax cuts with the support of Democrats, who helped override the governor's veto.

The 2016 election saw the Kansas Legislature grow more moderate again, Loomis says.

"So you had moderate Republicans who made a resurgence in 2016," he says. "You had Democrats who did well in 2016, but the last few votes in both the Senate and House were really quite conservative Republicans who just sucked that up and said, 'We really need to have revenues or this state is going to be in huge, huge difficulties.' "

Despite the $1.2 billion tax increase that passed last year, the budget mess is far from over. Brownback has been nominated to serve in the Trump administration, and once he is confirmed, Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer will finish his term.

While many experts regard the Kansas tax cuts as a failure, Trump's proposed tax plan echoes Brownback's policy, and many Republicans still embrace the ideology behind it.

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"There's lots of economic data that lower taxes mean a much better economic growth," Colyer tells Here & Now's Jeremy Hobson. "I worked for President Ronald Reagan. I saw it firsthand. You know, we see those things on the national level."

The Trump tax overhaul aims to spur revenue by cutting taxes for American businesses and earners, including the wealthiest Americans. The Senate voted last week to further a budget bill needed to advance the plan.

The corporate tax cuts proposed — the plan would drop rates from 35 to 20 percent — would increase the typical household income by $3,000 to $7,000 a year, according to a report by the Council of Economic Advisers.

But as Washington considers a plan similar to Kansas, Kriz is unconvinced.

"Studies have shown that tax cuts tend to pay anywhere between 10 percent and 30 percent of their costs," he says. "So if we cut taxes by a trillion dollars, we're going to probably get an extra hundred billion back ... in extra revenues from economic growth. But that still leaves $700 [billion] to $900 billion in cuts that will have to be made. Those cuts also have an economic effect in drawing down the economy."

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State and local deductions
The Senate’s tax plan would do away with most state and local tax deductions – meaning taxpayers in high-tax states would lose a write-off. This would impact mostly blue states, such as California and New York.


WRONG this means anybody who itemizes deductions is going to end up paying more. Many school districts in Ohio charge a school district tax of between .5 percent and 2 percent. In Ohio you also have some area's that charge a local tax of 1.0 to 2.5 percent. You also have some area's that charge this local tax if you work in that area even if you don't live there. So let's say between State, local, and school district these folks pay $3700 in those taxes. That's is a big deduction to lose.

Both plans also eliminate the deduction of $4,050 per person.... yep folks who itemized get raped again.

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While the House plan would eliminate the medical expense deductions,


This is more like the Republicans not only raping those who are sick, but pulling a Train on them and partying about it while filming it and making it a HBO series.


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What about this?

State and local deductions

The Senate’s tax plan would do away with most state and local tax deductions – meaning taxpayers in high-tax states would lose a write-off. This would impact mostly blue states, such as California and New York.

With tax reform front and center, President Trump and the GOP aim to get rid of state and local tax deductions, or SALT, when filing federal returns. While some advocates say eliminating SALT could generate at least $1.3 trillion in revenue over a decade for the federal government, could this create a red-blue state divide and a sticking point to passing tax reform?

This is one area where the House and Senate plans previously diverged, especially as many lawmakers – including Republicans – opposed the provision. The Senate plan allows for deductions of up to $10,000 in local property taxes.

Previously, U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, was concerned about the impact the elimination of these deductions would have on taxpayers. She reportedly met with Trump to discuss a compromise in the final legislation, such as the one provided in the House measure.

At the "delight" of Collins, GOP lawmakers later added the property tax exemption, leading her to ultimately support the tax reform measure.

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And this?

Medical expense deductions

While the House plan would eliminate the medical expense deductions, the Senate measure leaves it in place.

Under the current system, taxpayers are able to deduct medical expenses that exceed 10 percent of a person’s adjusted gross income. That percentage is lowered to 7.5 percent for taxpayers who are over 65 years old.

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Folks are getting their bowels in an uproar over WHAT IF’S at this point ...

There’s still lots of work to be done .. more changes .... hell, they even made changes in the senates version in the margins before it went to vote the other night ...

I’ll wait til the final bill comes out ... then i’ll have a conversation with GM ...




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Yes, even I keep forgetting this is not a done deal yet.

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The Senate plan allows for deductions of up to $10,000 in local property taxes.


So she had to go fight to try to save PART of a deduction for the middle class we already have in a plan that is supposed cut and reduce our taxes. What part of stupid as hell don't you get about that?


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And this?

Medical expense deductions

While the House plan would eliminate the medical expense deductions, the Senate measure leaves it in place.

Under the current system, taxpayers are able to deduct medical expenses that exceed 10 percent of a person’s adjusted gross income. That percentage is lowered to 7.5 percent for taxpayers who are over 65 years old.


Wrong again it's over 10 percent for everybody now. laugh

Temporary exemption for taxpayers age 65 and older

There is a temporary exemption for individuals age 65 and older until Dec. 31, 2016. If you are 65 years or older, you may continue to deduct total medical expenses that exceed 7.5 percent of your adjusted gross income through tax year 2016. If you are married and only one of you is age 65 or older, you may still deduct total medical expenses that exceed 7.5 percent of your adjusted gross income.

This exemption is temporary. Beginning Jan. 1, 2017, the 10 percent threshold will apply to all taxpayers, including those over.

I agree one plan does not change this deduction, but one does. So we don't know if we will get raped or not for sure on that one yet.


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opps, you just answered that one.

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So you may end up being able to write off up to $10,000 in local and state taxes and Your medical write offs may remain pretty much as is?

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Ive got quite a few questions for him once this is done IF it passes ....

The 1st will be ....

If he’s broke and on SS disability ... what income is he writing off with his 20k in medical deductions IF he loses it ...

I’m sure there’s a simple answer .. but that would be the first question I’ll have

IF in its final form its still in there




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So you may end up being able to write off up to $10,000 in local and state taxes and Your medical write offs may remain pretty much as is?


That's up to 10,000 in PROPERTY taxes, has nothing to do with state income taxes. Which both plans want to eliminate the deduction for.


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Diam my Social Security Disability payments are taxable, as far as Federal taxes. As is my part time job, and my wife's income.


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So you may end up being able to write off up to $10,000 in local and state taxes and Your medical write offs may remain pretty much as is?


That's up to 10,000 in PROPERTY taxes, has nothing to do with state income taxes. Which both plans want to eliminate the deduction for.


I see. How about the first $24,000 of your income being tax free?
Do you come out ahead with that?

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