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http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/03/us/daily-stormer-troll-storm-lawsuit/index.html

(CNN)The founder of a popular neo-Nazi website says a "troll storm" he encouraged against a Jewish woman in Montana should be considered protected speech and a lawsuit against him should be dismissed.

Lawyers for Andrew Anglin, the founder and publisher of the Daily Stormer, responded November 30 to a lawsuit filed by realtor Tanya Gersh, saying the dispute between him and Gersh boils down to the First Amendment.
Well-known First Amendment attorney Marc Randazza, who is representing Anglin, told CNN, "The only thing he (Anglin) did was call for people to speak, but people want to draw the line for speech they don't like."

An avalanche of hate: How a Montana mom became the target of a neo-Nazi troll storm
An avalanche of hate: How a Montana mom became the target of a neo-Nazi troll storm
Gersh, with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center, is suing Anglin for "invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and violations of Montana's Anti-Intimidation act." That suit was filed in April in the US District Court for Montana.
She told CNN earlier this year that her family endured weeks of harassment leading to her physical and emotional deterioration because of Anglin's actions.
Gersh says Anglin used his website as a platform to encourage his thousands of readers to contact her through email messages, social media, letters and phone calls. They all centered on two facts: She was Jewish. And Anglin accused her of extortion.
She says there is one man to blame for what happened to her and her family: Andrew Anglin.
Free speech or harassment?
Most of the messages from his readers came in the form of anti-Semitic slurs. There were edited images of her face on the gates of the Nazi Auschwitz death camp. A voicemail with the sound of gunshots. There were letters sent to the home she shared with her husband and young son, who also received messages on social media.
Gersh earlier this year told CNN she was haunted by the images, and feared for her and her family's life so much that they debated fleeing the state because the threats felt so real.
Anglin's lawyers say those messages are considered "generally recognized anti-Semitic tropes," but they intend no true or actual harm, despite how Gersh may have felt about them.
Gersh told CNN earlier this year she believed reducing the Daily Stormer readers to simply "trolls" minimizes the impact they had on her life.
"These are not trolls. They are terrorists," she told CNN. "They are very harmful, they are very malicious and they are dangerous."
That is not how the law sees it, Anglin's lawyers argue in their motion to dismiss the lawsuit.
"Even Nazi expression, no matter the psychic harm on Jewish residents, is nonetheless protected speech," Anglin's lawyers wrote.
Speech that may be abhorrent to some still constitutes free speech, his lawyers maintain.
"Every word uttered by Mr. Anglin in this public dispute is protected by the First Amendment, no matter how many people find those views intolerable," Anglin's lawyers argue.
The argument that Anglin's words and postings are protected as free speech is no surprise. Even Gersh's attorneys spoke to CNN about it as an expected defense. SPLC co-counsel John Morrison called it a flawed defense.
"This is not free speech, this is nothing protected by the First Amendment, this is not the expression of political opinion," he told CNN earlier this year. "The purpose of this is to damage these people, the purpose of this is to cause them fear and emotional harm, and that's illegal."
The small town of Whitefish, Montana.
The small town of Whitefish, Montana.
A small-town dispute
It could have a major impact on the Daily Stormer website, which has since been kicked offline in various countries and confined to the dark web -- a layer of the internet accessible only through anonymizing networks -- since the deadly protests in Charlottesville, Virginia.
On his website, Anglin said losing the case could shut down his website. He used that to encourage people to donate to his defense fund. Anglin said he was able to raise more than $150,000.
While the case could have wide-reaching implications, it started out modestly, after an interaction between two mothers in the small town of Whitefish, Montana.
This mixed-use property was at the center of the dispute between Sherry Spencer and Tanya Gersh.
This mixed-use property was at the center of the dispute between Sherry Spencer and Tanya Gersh.
The troll storm began after a dispute between Gersh and fellow Whitefish resident Sherry Spencer. Spencer is the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.
Gersh became a target for hate after contacting tenants of a building owned by Sherry Spencer, warning them about possible protests by a group over her son's views.
When Sherry Spencer called to ask her advice, Gersh says, she advised her to sell the building and donate money to a human rights group as a way to defuse tensions. Gersh says she offered to help Spencer sell the property.
Sherry Spencer eventually accused Gersh in a public blog post of threatening her livelihood.
She wrote that Gersh told her protesters and media would turn up and drive down the building's value if she didn't sell.
A troll storm and major court case
That is where Anglin comes in. He began writing about the case on the Daily Stormer, calling what Gersh did "extortion." He encouraged his troll army to tell Gersh what they thought of her and posted her personal information and ways to reach her on his website. They did so by the hundreds.
But Anglin's attorneys argue that he "specifically disclaims calling for threats or harassment," but rather that he called for "campaign of making our voices heard."
Anglin's attorneys also argue he was doing something Gersh had already done to Sherry Spencer.
"Ms. Gersh was involved with planning a boycott and protest of Mrs. Spencer's business. Thus, Ms. Gersh condones collective action to express a political opinion -- so long as that political opinion is one that she favors," Anglin's attorneys wrote in the case for dismissal.
"In the face of that, there is no reason to foresee Ms. Gersh would not similarly condone others engaged in collective expression," they added.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, on behalf of Gersh, told CNN its attorneys are reviewing the filing and will file a response.
Anglin has long argued that all he is doing with his website is exercising his right to free speech.
Court documents reveal he has still not been served because he couldn't be found. His attorneys said he may not even live in the United States and the case should be thrown out because of that, too.
Ultimately, a judge in Montana will decide whether the case proceeds.
But Randazza, the attorney for Anglin, told CNN that if the case does move forward, it will likely be in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals because it speaks to the very tenets of free speech.
"This is the price of admission to a free society," Randazza told CNN. "Even if you find Mr. Anglin's views abhorrent."

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So he’s not even denying they did all of those things. He’s arguing that he should be allowed to do it.

That’s disgusting.


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I am sure there were some "very fine people" in that troll storm


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Both sides are to blame for racist harassing Jews.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Both sides are to blame for racist harassing Jews.
That very well may be , but this story is about a NEO NAZI harassing a Jewish woman


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Just terrible. Being Jewish and being bullied by a Nazi must bring up deep down terror to a Jewish person.

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Free speech means you can do it, but don't expect outward racism to get met without criticisms or retaliatory actions.

Nazis are dumb.

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Free speech means you can stand on the street corner on your soap box and spout your opinion. It doesn’t mean you can harass people in their private lives.


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Dox'ing is bad.

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i'm still trying to figure out why the jews all the time?

i mean the one group white supremacist seem to hate more than blacks is Jews.

is it because they got jesus killed?


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Dox’ing should be illegal if it isn’t already.


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The NeoNazi encouraged their people to Dox them, but this came because the Jewish lady wanted to protest Neonazis.

How ridiculous. The neonazis need to grow up, and become part of the 21st century. They need to understand that the nazis lost a long time ago.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
i'm still trying to figure out why the jews all the time?

i mean the one group white supremacist seem to hate more than blacks is Jews.

is it because they got jesus killed?



The Jews didn't kill Jesus, I killed Jesus.

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i'm still trying to figure out why the jews all the time?

i mean the one group white supremacist seem to hate more than blacks is Jews.

is it because they got jesus killed?



The Jews didn't kill Jesus, I killed Jesus.


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I don't understand why white supremacists hate the fact "they killed Jesus".

Jesus needed to die in order for everyone to be saved, right?

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is that the only reason though?


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i'm still trying to figure out why the jews all the time?

i mean the one group white supremacist seem to hate more than blacks is Jews.

is it because they got jesus killed?



The Jews didn't kill Jesus, I killed Jesus.


I thought you were a Fireman not a Pilot.


You are too sharp sometimes, that had my eyes watering. rofl

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I don't understand why white supremacists hate the fact "they killed Jesus".

Jesus needed to die in order for everyone to be saved, right?


Jesus didn't have to die. He could have said enough of this and called down 100 Angels armed with swords and killed everyone on the planet.
He willingly laid down his life as atonement for our sins.
The ultimate Sacrifice.

I killed Jesus.

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The Jews didn't kill Jesus, I killed Jesus.


Are you in Bill O'Reilly's book?

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i guess i'm not gonna get a serious answer to my question.


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At least it's not a whataboutism or the Chewbacca defense.

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that question was for anybody to answer.


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There's another fringe belief in their circle that Jewish individuals control the world, and these Jewish individuals help keep the white man down.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I don't understand why white supremacists hate the fact "they killed Jesus".

Jesus needed to die in order for everyone to be saved, right?


Yes, Jesus needed to die as the perfect sacrifice in order to atone for our sins.

Here's the Nazi's problem, their 'christianity' is an us vs them thing rather than witness to the love of God.

The foolish belief that they would somehow be the instrument of God's judgement against this or that group is reprehensible.


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Dox'ing is bad.


I threatened to dox 40 once but got stuck trying to figure out which trailer park was his.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Dox'ing is bad.


I threatened to dox 40 once but got stuck trying to figure out which trailer park was his.


Now is that nice?


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Dox'ing is bad.


I threatened to dox 40 once but got stuck trying to figure out which trailer park was his.


Now is that nice?


It's an ongoing 'cheap shot' firestorm with my arch nemesis 40, he gets it.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
that question was for anybody to answer.


I've heard "Jews care only for the letter of the law, that they cling to ritual observance but ignore the spirit and are therefore against life."

If Christians and Muslims exclude Jews so completely, then Jewishness really is an isolated religion.

The more indebted Christianity and Islam are to Judaism, the more they turn against their Jewish sources.

Interplay between Jewish and non-Jewish thinkers, become rare and often hostile.

Best I could do Swish.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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i'm still trying to figure out why the jews all the time?

i mean the one group white supremacist seem to hate more than blacks is Jews.

is it because they got jesus killed?



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Originally Posted By: kingodawg
I am sure there were some "very fine people" in that troll storm

Probably not.. anybody who would follow a neo-nazi website and take action when asked is almost certainly not a "very fine person".. this is not to be confused with the people who voted for Trump.. which I understand is the reference you were making.


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Actually he was referring to Trumps comment. You know, how people standing side by side with people carrying Nazi flags and KKK members were very fine people.


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You mean like the Towns People who didn't want their statue removed? Those fine people were Nazi's?

Whoda Thunkit.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
You mean like the Towns People who didn't want their statue removed? Those fine people were Nazi's?

Whoda Thunkit.


when you march with nazi's, it doesn't matter what your cause is at that point. you're marching with Nazi's.


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You do realize that the vast majority of those people weren't even from that town, right? lmao

You also realize that this town actually elected public officials that made the decision to take the statue down, right?

You really need to start looking into some of the wacko things you say.


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You mean like the Towns People who didn't want their statue removed? Those fine people were Nazi's?

Whoda Thunkit.


when you march with nazi's, it doesn't matter what your cause is at that point. you're marching with Nazi's.


So when you Liberals decide to tear down the Statue of Liberty and I go to protest, if Nazi's are there, I am bad for protesting? notallthere

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You mean like the Towns People who didn't want their statue removed? Those fine people were Nazi's?

Whoda Thunkit.


when you march with nazi's, it doesn't matter what your cause is at that point. you're marching with Nazi's.


So when you Liberals decide to tear down the Statue of Liberty and I go to protest, if Nazi's are there, I am bad for protesting? notallthere


if you separate yourself from the nazi's, no.

if you're protesting with nazi's, including chanting "blood and soil", yes.


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You realize there were towns people there, right?

So they are Nazis now by your thinking? What if they sided with ANTIFA? You still call them Nazis? notallthere

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Organized groups from outside the town and outside the state organized and attended this rally. If you choose to stand beside them then that's on you.


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You mean like the Towns People who didn't want their statue removed? Those fine people were Nazi's?

Whoda Thunkit.


when you march with nazi's, it doesn't matter what your cause is at that point. you're marching with Nazi's.


So when you Liberals decide to tear down the Statue of Liberty and I go to protest, if Nazi's are there, I am bad for protesting? notallthere


if you separate yourself from the nazi's, no.

if you're protesting with nazi's, including chanting "blood and soil", yes.


Oh, ok, should I wear a white shirt, stand on my head, or what would you suggest I do to separate myself from others who are there to protest.
Silly.

I wish the Nazi's would come out in favor of Sanctuary Cities so I could point a finger at you and call Nazi.
Silly.

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what would you suggest I do to separate myself from others who are there to protest.


For you? rofl You just have to own it.


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One serious question to the Board...

Is a Neo-Nazi to a Nazi
the same as a Lite Beer to a Beer?

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