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you want to know why you can never be taken seriously?
the russia comments came during the campaign season, before the jill stein situation.
you routinely demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.
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You can break it all down to one word, HATE!
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you want to know why you can never be taken seriously?
the russia comments came during the campaign season, before the jill stein situation.
you routinely demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. ummm you cant impeach someone during the election...so no, the impeach trump over Russia stuff happened AFTER smh
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please, you didn't make the distinction between what you considered complaints and impeachment excuses. jill stein had little to do with that.
the Trump being attached to russia was before all of those things. its gonna suck because people have been telling you the truth about trump, but all you've done is ignored it.
blind support. thats sad, cause politicians prey on people like you.
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jill stein had little to do with that. Your right, it was the Clinton machine behind that recount. and as soon as the votes started adding up in trumps favor, they hexed it. Thanks for reminding that, it was funny.
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Manafort worked on op-ed with Russian while out on bail, prosecutors say http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/manafort-bail-russian-intelligence/index.htmlhow stupid do you have to be to attempt this knowing you were being watched.
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Everyone here should read Alan Dershowitz's article from The Hill.
It explains that Mueller's position very well may that of weakness. How Mueller charged Flynn with lying and a prosecutor does not want to charge a key witness with lying, as opposed say to conspiracy.
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he got charged with lying because he was already cooperating with Mueller.
he was up on way more charges than just lying. the only way he got this lesser charge was because he gave Mueller something really juicy to go with.
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But why not larger charges? Perhaps Mueller did not have the evidence to convict on a larger charge. You have to admit, that is a possibility.
The juicy bit is just hearsay.
A liar is still a liar. I just do not think it bodes well for Mueller if his task is to take down Trump, which is what it looks like.
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if he didn't have enough for larger charges, flynn wouldn't have been cooperating in the first place.
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Flynn might have pulled a Sammy the Bull on Trump.
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if he didn't have enough for larger charges, flynn wouldn't have been cooperating in the first place. The larger charges may be what Mueller has on Flynn's son.
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So basically Flynn is going to try and save himself by telling the prosecutor anything he wants to hear. Good luck.
So if Flynn could be convicted on larger charges, Mueller reduces the charge to lying which makes his witness look terrible and very non credible. I do not think the investigation is going as planned.
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Flynn might have pulled a Sammy the Bull on Trump. Cannot compare these two since Gotti was on tape.
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Flynn might have pulled a Sammy the Bull on Trump. Cannot compare these two since Gotti was on tape. well trump claimed there were tapes before. and yes it's comparable as The Bull snitched.
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You’re arguing as if you know trump didn’t do anything wrong.
Nixon supporters did the same thing. But you don’t know. Swish I firmly believe Trump did not commit the acts Nixon did. Actually oBUMa nixoned the Trumpster ... 
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jill stein had little to do with that. Your right, it was the Clinton machine behind that recount. and as soon as the votes started adding up in trumps favor, they hexed it. Thanks for reminding that, it was funny. U missed it bro ... Swish was awesome ... For the two weeks right before the election he was running around here COCKY AS HELL mimicking his boys and msnbc and FNN ... Election night he was running around crowing aboutht e IMMINENT LANDSLIDE right up til about 10 PM ... then his mood started to change ... by about 11 his mood went from cocky to being in tears ... it was GREAT!!!! Then by about 2:00 AM he had all ready switched gears and was telling us how bad we f’d up cause the MARKETS WERE CRASHING and it was our faults ... the world was surely going to end and it was our faults ... It was GREAT ... to bad u weren’t around to witness it ..  Meanwhile i was emailing and leaving voice mails for my broker ... BUY BUY BUY .. opening bell BUY BUY BUY ... And the beat goes on ...
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the polls were right.
unfortunately the system put trump in office. and now we're all worse off because of it.
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The polls were wrong.
And, I just checked 1 investment/retirement account of ours. We're up $26,000 this year, not including contributions.
Now, trust me, I know that is nothing more than on paper. And I know it could be gone - the gains - within months, or less. I/we could lose even more than the $26,000.
But, if we can make that kind of money, just imagine what all the pension funds are making, the union retirement funds, etc.
If you have any mutual funds, you're making money. ON PAPER, I get it.
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i have a ton of investments as well and i like the gains.
but i also have always considered that gamble money, if you will. i've been building up my savings accounts after the real estate investments because while the value might drop, the amount will not. in mutual funds and retirement accounts, that crap can be gone in a flash.
again, the polls were right. she won the popular vote.
the polls did not take into account the electoral numbers.
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Investments aside,
The polls were wrong. The polls said there was no way Trump would win - electoral college or not. The polls, and cnn, nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, etc said flat out, for weeks in advance, there was no way Trump would win.
Hell, swish, you yourself had hillary locked in as president months before the election - actually, as soon as Trump won the r nomination, and you kept up with that all the way through.
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don't forget fox news.
again, the polls were right since they were going on popular vote.
Trump won over hillary. but the fact remains that he did not get majority support of the population.
yea, i called a hillary win and was wrong. i called brexit and was right. it happens.
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the polls were right.
unfortunately the system put trump in office. and now we're all worse off because of it. The "system" puts all presidents in office.
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the polls were right.
unfortunately the system put trump in office. and now we're all worse off because of it. The "system" puts all presidents in office. yea if we want to be super uptight about it. winning the popular vote but losing the electoral votes is considered the system. winning both and getting is winning straight up.
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You, and your polls, were wrong.
I don't see anyone uptight about anything, other than you. FWIW.
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the polls were right.
unfortunately the system put trump in office. and now we're all worse off because of it. The "system" puts all presidents in office. yea if we want to be super uptight about it. winning the popular vote but losing the electoral votes is considered the system. winning both and getting is winning straight up. Winning the popular vote means absolutely nothing. Why do people keep brining it up? Who cares that so many people in NY or CA voted for Hillary? That is why there is a discrepancy in popular vote and electorate vote. In fact, the way our country is now, losing the popular vote and winning the presidency won't be unusual.
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here comes captain save em to jump in and play defense.
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it matters because it tells us who had more support than who.
the majority of the country did not support trump during the election. fact.
the majority of the country does not support the job trump is doing. fact.
he has a terrible approval rating. fact.
the polls reflected that hillary was more popular than trump. fact.
the polls accurately called the popular vote for clinton. fact.
at this point i don't even know what you're arguing. everything i stated was the truth.
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But what do polls matter?
I wonder if the polls in PA and MI had trump winning.
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But what do polls matter?
I wonder if the polls in PA and MI had trump winning. ask trump, since he won't shut up about polls. it's hilarious how polls don't matter, right up until trump and a lot of his supporters find one that shows him in a positive light.
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What made this election so unusual is that hardly any polls picked Trump to win. This day in age we have so much technology it is almost impossible to get an election wrong through polling.
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The agent has been identified as Peter Strzok
I haven't seen this bit of info posted about agent Peter Strzok yet: "Strzok was reportedly the official responsible for changing the language in former FBI director James Comey's statement describing Clinton's private email server use from "grossly negligent" — which could carry criminal penalties — to "extremely careless." http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-str...mueller-2017-12
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here comes captain save em to jump in and play defense. You said the polls were right. I said they were wrong. Trump won. I'm right. No captain nothing here, other than Captain Obvious.
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The agent has been identified as Peter Strzok
I haven't seen this bit of info posted about agent Peter Strzok yet: "Strzok was reportedly the official responsible for changing the language in former FBI director James Comey's statement describing Clinton's private email server use from "grossly negligent" — which could carry criminal penalties — to "extremely careless." http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-str...mueller-2017-12 A two bit Lawyer can blow up all these cases. People driven by Hate don't think straight. Advantage Trump.
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Ok, I will apply your logic on Hillary getting the popular vote. The Browns and Pittsburgh agree to play a 3 game match to see who is the best team. Browns win two, 10-0 and 10-0 Pittsburgh wins one, 30-0 Your logic states Pittsburgh is the better team.
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Ok, I will apply your logic on Hillary getting the popular vote. The Browns and Pittsburgh agree to play a 3 game match to see who is the best team. Browns win two, 10-0 and 10-0 Pittsburgh wins one, 30-0 Your logic states Pittsburgh is the better team. Honestly, I find "reason" and "logic" guys to be tedious. But you can barely spell and you copy and paste your opinions, most of which revolve around how tough and cool you think rapists and pedophiles are. Maybe - just maybe - the guy foolish enough to get duped into believing that Trump stopped a mugger should shut his mouth when it comes to common sense?
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Oh what a shame as you are going to get another thread locked soon. 
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I would like to know what part of the electoral college liberals do not understand.
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