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WASHINGTON (AP) — When it comes to filling jobs dealing with complex science, environment and health issues, the Trump administration is nominating people with fewer science academic credentials than their Obama predecessors. And it's moving slower as well.

Of 43 Trump administration nominees in science-related positions — including two for Health and Human Services secretary — almost 60 percent did not have a master's degree or a doctorate in a science or health field, according to an Associated Press analysis. For their immediate predecessors in the Obama administration, it was almost the opposite: more than 60 percent had advanced science degrees.


The AP analyzed 65 Senate-confirmable positions that deal with science and environment, many of which haven't been filled yet after 10 months. The analysis focused on earned degrees, not life experience.

"This is just reflective of the disdain that the administration has shown for science," said Christie Todd Whitman, a former Republican New Jersey governor and Environmental Protection Agency chief.

"When you're talking about science, issues about protecting human health...it's very, very complicated and sophisticated work," said Whitman, who was appointed by George W. Bush and does not have an advanced degree herself but surrounded herself with people who did. "You need the background and experience to handle these things."

Including now-resigned Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, a medical doctor, the number of political appointees with a doctorate in science or a medical degree dropped 21 percent from Obama's 19 to Trump's 15 in those equivalent positions. And when it comes to master's degrees, the number decreased one-third from 27 in Obama to 18 in Trump.

Public health researcher Dr. Caroline Weinberg, who helped organize last spring's protest March for Science, said in an email, "I knew the dire straits we were in but seeing it laid out with percentages really amplifies the horror."

Trump administration officials did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

It is especially noticeable in the Energy Department, which oversees the nation's nuclear stockpile.

None of the seven Trump energy science-oriented nominees — including the undersecretary for science, who did research while in the U.S. Navy — has even a master's degree in a science field, although some are lawyers and have MBAs. Five of their Obama predecessor's had master's degrees in science field and four had science doctorates — not including the Obama deputy Energy secretary, who had a doctorate in international relations. The two Obama Energy secretaries both had doctorates in physics, and Steven Chu was a Nobel prize winner in physics. Trump Energy Secretary Rick Perry has a bachelor's degree in animal science and was a former governor.

"This is just hollowing out of expertise in these posts," said Max Boykoff, director of Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado. "It's a really worrisome trend."

This isn't about making jobs for science, but providing the best advice for government leaders who have to make tough decisions, said Rush Holt, CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest general scientific society.

"It's the policy-makers themselves who need it. If they want to develop policies that are most likely to succeed, they should make those policies with the understanding available of how things are," said Holt, a former physicist and Democratic congressman from New Jersey. "We do this with the age-old, time-tested procedure of determining how things are. We call that science."

The now-withdrawn undersecretary for research in the Agriculture Department told the Senate in a confirmation questionnaire that while he had an economics degree, he took no science classes in graduate school, according to his letter obtained by The Washington Post.

Many of the Trump nominees who do have advanced science degrees, especially those in the EPA, come from working in or with the industries that they are now supposed to regulate, with even some Republicans raising questions among the independence of their scientific advice. EPA chief Scott Pruitt also has raised eyebrows by purging academic scientists from the agency's science advisory board because they received EPA grants and replacing them with industry-connected experts.

"The pattern of a repeated tilt toward industry scientists, and ones known for disparaging the record of the agencies they are appointed to, is worrisome," said William K. Reilly, who was EPA administrator under George H.W. Bush.

Reilly, along with several of the more than a dozen outside experts interviewed, said people with scientific expertise are important, but there have been good top government officials in the past who were lawyers. Current EPA chief Pruitt is a lawyer.

"Some of the best regulators I have known have had law or business backgrounds (both parties)," John Graham, dean at Indiana University's School of Public & Environmental Affairs, said in an email.

Graham, who headed regulatory affairs in the George W. Bush administration, said he was most concerned that "many important nominations have not yet been made" highlighting no appointments for the top White House science adviser and head of research and development at the EPA.

In 35 percent of the 65 senate-confirmable positions that deal with science and environment, the Trump administration hasn't nominated someone yet, including all four top positions at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. Of the 23 positions that President Donald Trump hasn't nominated anyone yet to fill after 10 months, Barack Obama had picked nominees in 18 of those posts by the same time in 2009.

"I don't know if the problem is on the side of them identifying people or the people they want being willing to go through the process" of confirmation, which can be unpleasant, said George Gray, who was the EPA research chief for President George W. Bush and now is a professor of environmental health at George Washington University.

Initial Obama appointments included two winners of the Nobel Prize for physics — Energy Secretary Chu and Carl Wieman, who was associate director for science of the White House Office of Science and Technology — and a winner of a MacArthur "genius" grant, White House science adviser John Holdren. Obama tried to appoint another Nobel winner, Peter Diamond who won the Nobel prize for economics, to the Federal Reserve Board. That was held up by Republicans in the Senate who said he didn't have enough experience and his nomination was withdrawn.

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When people talk about government efficiency, I tend to look at it less from an operation standpoint and more of who is doing the operating.

You can’t be efficient if you’re hiring the wrong people to begin with. Unqualified candidates lead to inefficiency in the system.

And this is terrible. Trump is not hiring the best and brightest. He’s hiring homeboys who rode his jock during the campaign.


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Well Trump likes the uneducated. They are easier to brainwash and bully.

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So? They stayed at the Holiday Inn Express a couple times.


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Either that or they just went to rehab with PDF .... rofl ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Either that or they just went to rehab with PDF .... rofl ...


Is this necessary? He hasn't even posted in this thread.

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You can’t be efficient if you’re hiring the wrong people to begin with. Unqualified candidates lead to inefficiency in the system.

And this is terrible. Trump is not hiring the best and brightest. He’s hiring homeboys who rode his jock during the campaign.

Alex Gorsky runs Johnson and Johnson.. that's the largest pharmaceutical company in the world.. he went to West Point and got an MBA from Penn.. he worked his way up through Johnson and Johnson as a salesman, not a scientist.

Christoph Franz runs Hoffman-Roche, the second largest pharma company in the world.. he was previously CEO of Lufthansa.. not a scientist.

So I don't know for sure what positions these nominees are supposed to fill but if they are management positions.. then who cares if they have advanced science degrees? They aren't the ones conducting experiments, they are managing huge budgets and massive numbers of people and projects.. that's not something for a career scientist to do, it's something for a business person to do...

So I'm not going to blast Trump for this one....


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Gotta side with DC here. The problem will be if they don't bring in/retain the SMART SPECIALIST PEOPLE below them.

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You have always been on the salty side but lately you have just been downright rude. You don't like him fine, I get it he comes across condescending but so what ? It makes you look small when you resort to things like putting someone's family in the conversation . Try and stick to things you would say to a person if they were in front of you . My 2 cents .

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rofl

Look who's talking!

What he said was nasty but you say far worse on a daily basis.


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Define necessary .... rofl ...

So it’s Ok when Swish calls me a PIECE OF CRAP and TRASH ...

But this somehow crossed a line and was “too personal” ... rofl ...

Hypocricy at its finest ... thumbsup




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When the pastor ask for anyone to speak now or forever hold their peace at the wedding, you’re the guy who stands up and speaks out against the marriage.


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Originally Posted By: IRE 45
You have always been on the salty side but lately you have just been downright rude. You don't like him fine, I get it he comes across condescending but so what ? It makes you look small when you resort to things like putting someone's family in the conversation . Try and stick to things you would say to a person if they were in front of you . My 2 cents .


Stick to things i would say to someone that was in front of me ... rofl ...

so u think they’d call me a racist a lush a piece of crap and trash to my face ... OKIE DOKIE ...

I would however in a conversation ask Swish or anyone of u or a stranger when they started telling me we don’t need a wall ... i’d ask them straight up in a very sincere, contrite tone with a look of “puzzlement” on my face ..

If you were put in the position of Mr. Stienle and had your daughter, wife, sister or mother in your arms and having there last words be “daddy help” ... then u found out it was an illegal that pulled the trigger ... how would that make u feel ...

100% GUARANTEE U I would ask that in the flow of a conversation ... its called a SINCERE QUESTION ... and would get a proper response ... ITS A SINCERE QUESTION .. in here its a sincere statement ... u and your boys are the ones spinning into me saying i want there families killed ... RUDE MY ASS!!!! Its all u guys do is SPIN SPIN SPIN ...

Much better response than they’d get from ANYONE that they just called the crap they call me ...

All u did was just prove how HYPOCRITICAL u are ... thumbsup

Like i crossed some “ethical” line in here ... rolleyes




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Either that or they just went to rehab with PDF .... rofl ...


That was low! Like underneath a pile of dog crap low! I don’t agree with the guy either but that literally worse than OCD calling people troglodytes.

You just proved almost every stereotype they throw at Trump supporters.

What did you do, get inspired by all the dirty plays in the Bengals/Steelers game last night?


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No .... I just read all Swishes posts directed at me ... rofl ....

U guys are incredible ... they can call me anything they want and thats OK .... yet somehow I’m crossing a line ... rolleyes ...

HYPOCRITE ... thumbsup

I’m done defending myself here ... u guys can enjoy taking your MORAL HIGH GROUND and trashing me like u always do ...

Have fun guys ... thumbsup




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Even you're better than this.

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You’re the guy who chills in the left lane doing 3 below the speed limit.


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Hey, where's Diam? Rehab?

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You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


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There's only one good post in this whole thread, and that would be DC's.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


This is a football board. This is the male version of the View.


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Either that or they just went to rehab with PDF .... rofl ...
Chump move


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Well Trump likes the uneducated. They are easier to brainwash and bully.


You should know about that, the way Bernie had people believing there was a magic money tree that would give everyone everything they wanted. thumbsup


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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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You can’t be efficient if you’re hiring the wrong people to begin with. Unqualified candidates lead to inefficiency in the system.

And this is terrible. Trump is not hiring the best and brightest. He’s hiring homeboys who rode his jock during the campaign.

Alex Gorsky runs Johnson and Johnson.. that's the largest pharmaceutical company in the world.. he went to West Point and got an MBA from Penn.. he worked his way up through Johnson and Johnson as a salesman, not a scientist.

Christoph Franz runs Hoffman-Roche, the second largest pharma company in the world.. he was previously CEO of Lufthansa.. not a scientist.

So I don't know for sure what positions these nominees are supposed to fill but if they are management positions.. then who cares if they have advanced science degrees? They aren't the ones conducting experiments, they are managing huge budgets and massive numbers of people and projects.. that's not something for a career scientist to do, it's something for a business person to do...

So I'm not going to blast Trump for this one....



Also..

Sashi Brown.. Harvard educated lawyer hired to be the sole talent evaluator and lone roster decision maker for the Cleveland Browns...



Great point DC. I don't think many people truly realize just how little specific discipline/ product experience a lot of these organization leaders have, and are still able to be successful because they don't realize that Organizational Management IS it's own discipline.


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you've lost the argument if you're using Sashi as the standard.

as of now, that actually supports my opinion that unqualified people make an organization run less efficient.

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you've lost the argument if you're using Sashi as the standard.

as of now, that actually supports my opinion that unqualified people make an organization run less efficient.


Bro! I posted it in purple! LOL


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Either that or they just went to rehab with PDF .... rofl ...


You lack any sense of decency. Please reevaluate your life choices.

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you've lost the argument if you're using Sashi as the standard.

as of now, that actually supports my opinion that unqualified people make an organization run less efficient.


Bro! I posted it in purple! LOL


lol my bad. you got so many colors going right now bro


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


Thats pretty sexist Miss Eve ... wink




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Gotta side with DC here. The problem will be if they don't bring in/retain the SMART SPECIALIST PEOPLE below them.

That is the most important part.. the other important part is that the person at the top, even if they are more business people than scientists, they have to believe in the mission of the agency. For example, if you put a business person at the top of the EPA who doesn't believe there is any need for studying climate science.. then that's a problem whether he is a scientist or now..


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
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You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


Thats pretty sexist Miss Eve ... wink


Just keeping it real.


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
No .... I just read all Swishes posts directed at me ... rofl ....

U guys are incredible ... they can call me anything they want and thats OK .... yet somehow I’m crossing a line ... rolleyes ...

HYPOCRITE ... thumbsup

I’m done defending myself here ... u guys can enjoy taking your MORAL HIGH GROUND and trashing me like u always do ...

Have fun guys ... thumbsup




Your comment wasn't towards Swish. It was PDM.

Quit making excuses for acting like a POS.


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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847

Sashi Brown.. Harvard educated lawyer hired to be the sole talent evaluator and lone roster decision maker for the Cleveland Browns...


And we all see how that worked out.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
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You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


This is a football board. This is the male version of the View.

Does that make you Joy or Whoopi? tongue


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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
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You all are more catty than a bunch of women.


This is a football board. This is the male version of the View.

Does that make you Joy or Whoopi? tongue


i'd say joy, but we've already seen what happens when somebody tries to claim another ethnicity in this country lmao


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I'm going to pretend to be a Trumpian and put my name in the hat for one of these science positions that require no education to get! I could use a big fat comfy job where nobody expects me to do a damn thing!

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I'm going to pretend to be a Trumpian and put my name in the hat for one of these science positions that require no education to get!

You must have missed the part where many of them have advanced degrees, a lot of MBAs from reputable schools.. they just aren't in science.


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They are probably there to fix the budgets the scientists screwed up. They are probably there to organizes the business of science.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
They are probably there to fix the budgets the scientists screwed up. They are probably there to organizes the business of science.


Eww Boy. rofl


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I'm going to pretend to be a Trumpian and put my name in the hat for one of these science positions that require no education to get!

You must have missed the part where many of them have advanced degrees, a lot of MBAs from reputable schools.. they just aren't in science.


MBAs to work in the science fields...was Haslam involved in the hiring process? tongue


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