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Well Graff, in all fairness they usually wait till January to announce it. lol

When I said that I would retain Hue I meant I would TRY to keep him.



WHY would the Browns announce this?? First, the new guy should be able to say whether or not Hue stays. Second, if Hue is here for next season he should have NO say in who we hire. He should only be able to give his 2 cents to the new guy on the players.

I thought that Brown did a good job of tearing the team down and re-building though the draft.

This is only year 2 of complete tear-down. He has added some high quality players. Oh well, the next guy will have a very solid base to build upon. It is very possible that Hue won because of a QB he wanted doing well elsewhere.

Tennessee hires it's new head coach, the next day Sashi Brown is fired. Coincidence?

they are keeping hue.

Sashi's 2018 draft gift to the next GM:

Round 1: Cleveland, Houston
Round 2: Cleveland, Houston, Philadelphia
Round 3: Cleveland
Round 4: Cleveland, Carolina
Round 5: Cleveland, Kansas City
Round 6: Cleveland
Round 7: Cleveland

I don't like this at all. Jimmy knew this was gonna take time so why not see it thru, cause everything else he has tried has failed. I would have given the whole group at least another year.

And all that cap space.

It's Jimmy Haslam. This is what he does.

That wasn't critical to the future of the Cleveland Browns 2 years ago?

How do you get off this stupid merry-go-round?

Sashis boggle of the trade for AJ wrote his story on the wall.

1. I think the Haslams will let new GM decides the fate of the rest of the FO folks. I'd expect DePodesta to be told to stay in LaJolla.

2. 100% agree. Otherwise, you're just kicking the can down the road another year.

3. Agree. The Haslam's need to stay completely out of the way.

Yeah but that boggle saved us from wasting a couple of high draft picks. If that trade had gone thru I would have fired the whole lot of them if was the owner, a 2nd and 3rd for a guy who is no better then backup material.

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

1) I would hope they stay. Running everything COMPLETELY on sabermetrics is un-wise, but it's just as dumb to completely ignore it too. Data like that has it's place and it should be brought to the table when making decisions. Depodesta is one of the best in that field, and I think he should have a place on the team.

2) I agree about the lame duck part, but the new GM would probably be better off keeping him. He basically buys him an extra year. If he fires Hue and the Browns go 2-14 next year, he's already on the hot-seat. If he keeps Hue, and they have a poor year, he can make Hue the fall guy, get another bevy of high draft picks, and basically start his "first year" with the coach of his choosing.

3) Completely agree here. I think Sashi did all the dirty work. We've got tons of cap space, tons of draft picks, and a young roster with lots of potential. It's a great situation for a GM to walk into. Not to mention, if they win 2 games next year, they can already call that "improvement".


I'd love to have Dorsey as the VP, and wouldn't mind bringing in Peyton as GM (if Haslam doesn't get cheap about it). I also hope they retain Podesta in a Sabermetrics role. You'd have one guy with a ton of GM experience leading the thing. A guy with extreme attention to detail cutting his teeth in a GM role, and the best sabermetics guy in the business standing buy to provide them with alternative perspectives to consider. Dorsey brings experience and Peyton provides the excitement and potential, while both give us the Football insight that was lacking under Sashi.

I disagree with your argument. I do not think it would buy the GM another year. I think it points to him completely screwing up his first major decision, should the scenario play out as you have outlined.

don't get me wrong, I think it was a bad trade! However as an owner, who okay the trade, I would look it 1 of 2 ways. Either my FO was so inept they couldn't get paperwork sent in, or my FO purposely messed up the trade - which I told them to complete.

Not at all. The Owner/Team has already stated that they want to retain Hue Jackson. So it's basically a free year for the GM. If Hue does well, then great. If he doesn't, then he was just "following the wishes of the team" and gets more draft picks and a chance to start fresh with "his guy".

This is such an absurd solution, that its only possible with the Browns...

No GM will ever attempt a total rebuild again.
I hope Sashi had the sense to build in a nice severance package into his initial contract.

Maxwell Jump. Go ahead and jump!

Agreed. I think Excel is bang on, but the new GM will already have that lenient first year because we're almost certain to select a rookie QB, so people will likely be relatively supportive through first year struggles.

However, seeing the reaction to Kizer, we really don't know for sure just how much leash will be allowed.

I think being fired by the Browns its much better than being hired....

Sashi must be ecstatic to get the easy way out...

Only the Browns could come up with a solution like this...

Hue will be allowed to take the high road and quit to take the Bengals HC job.

This is what myself and a few others have said for quite a while. Not so much the Bengals part but that Hue would bow out post season for other reasons.

Well,
Hate to say i told folks so, but the handwriting was on the wall. Sashi was GOING to take the fall for sure!! Even though he made some moves for alot of draft picks, missing on the QBs and NOT getting some FA talent on the roster did him in. No ONE EVER wants to go through the pain of a total rebuilt through the draft! You cannot talk folks into 3 years of below avg teams.

I will bet anyone that this year in FA, the Browns will spend some of that cap money and bring some talent in!! As far as the draft, if the Browns pick up a football GM, this draft could be the one that turns things around.

You mean FA talent like Zeitler, Tretter & McCourty?

I think Hue is way more likely to be a help in getting FAs than was Sashi.

Guys like Sashi are "easy" to replace. He is a President-type and not a talent-evaluator. He was the tie-breaker...for better or worse.

Question is...is the new guy the "tie-breaker" or the "decider"?

Or will he even be any good...

Sashi,
For better or worse was the business guy. There was NO WAY he should have been making any decisions on picks/talent..etc. So the next GM, (* and NOT Peyton Manning*), has to be a football guy with some experience!! No first time guys. The fired GM of the redskins and the guy from KC come to mind.

Yeah, agree about this. I have two conflicting thoughts on this ... First, it really sucks for Sashi. I for one, think it takes a good four years (at the very least) to rebuild a football team properly. I think he did what is probably in the best interest of the team in the long term, but nobody wanted to see us going 1-for-two-season. Most people in a rebuild will slowly strip away bloated contracts, and try to stock up on draft picks to build for the future. Sashi ripped off the band-aid, and ultimately paid the price.

But on the other hand, this will probably work out in our favor too. What usually happens in our typical "rebuilds" that should be taking 4+ years ... We strip down the rosters in the first year or two and build up our cap-space and draft cache. But then in the second or third year, everyone gets impatient, jobs are on the line, and guys in those jobs panic buy. We over-spend our Free agency money on quick fixes and over-draft guys hoping to plug in our holes. It blows up, and we start it all over again. At least in this case, we're switching things up before the panic buying comes into play.

While I will not shed a tear for Sashi, I was really hoping we would just demote him to make way for more of a football guy vs totally canning him. What does this do for our analytics department? I know analytics has turned into a joke/bad word, but look at what it's done for us.

1. A boon of draft picks in the right draft.
2. Guys we selected the last 2 years are playing well (Schobert, Ogbah, sorta Nassib, Shelton, the Duke, etc.)
3. Oodles of cap space to make the big move when it's there.

Yes, we've passed on some big QBs, and yes, our WR selections are pitiful, but this is where a football guy would've enhanced our personnel department vs taking it over.

Also, this sets up the Mangini-Holmgren situation that I absolutely did NOT want. Not only are we going to reboot and go through this pain all over again, but it's going to be drawn out over one extra year as the new GM will give Hue that token season before dropping the axe. I just want this rebuild to be done, and we keep starting it over just as it's gaining momentum.

Add: to be clear, I'm not in love with Hue or think his results are great or anything, but I think it's way too early to pull the plug on the massive rebuild we undertook.

In your scenario, the new GM is already allowing the owner to meddle yet again in major decision. Blow it all up again because that won't work. Haslam cannot be allowed to be hands on and make those decisions. That's a sign of weak GM.

The GM has to be allowed to do his job on his own terms from the onset.

Agree 100%... He should have started by not hiring Hue...

Boy, if this isn't a December tradition in Berea.....

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According to @MaryKayCabot, Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown weren't on speaking terms for the past month.

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Thank U Sashi .. U left us in GREAT SHAPE ... appreciatte it ...

It was the THIEFS FAULT u were put in charge of FINAL PESRONAL DEISIONS ... u were set up to fail by the thief ...

U were in charge of something u had NO RIGHT BEING IN CHARGE OF ...

Thanks again for the shape u left us in ...

LOTS of us said day 1 it was a DUMB ASS HIRE and made ZERO SENSE to have a lawyer running your personal department ...

The thief had to let one or both go after the NIGHTMARE at the FACTORY of SADNESS ...

That building had to be TOXIC since the bye ....

Hue’s fate lies in the hands of the new GM ... this maybe the thiefs way of firing Hue w/o getting blood on his hands ....

If only one of them had to go .. THE RIGHT ONE WENT ....

Excel,
Your entire post is the TRUTH!!.. Its just like when you remodel your kitchen, the wife is all fired up at first, but when the kitchen is all torn up, 4 weeks into the demo, tempers start flaring, when is this project going to be done..etc.

Maybe Sashi did not want to take a demotion but like you said, NO ONE wants to wait that long for this type of rebuild. So that next GM HAS TO pick up some talent to keep the owner and fans quiet!!

Lets say the browns go 6-10 or 7-9 next year.. then this GM looks great!!

GEE ... who the hell said that since the NIGHTMARE at the FACTORY of SADNESS!!!

Hmmm ... who could that have been ....

YO WILLIE ... sorry about the LOLLIPOP CLUB being disbanded ....