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Nate Ulrich‏ @NateUlrichABJ

#Browns had been talking to new GM John Dorsey 5-6 weeks, gave him four-year contract, he'll report to ownership along with coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. Cleveland formally interviewed 2 candidates, satisfying Rooney Rule, and talked to 2 or 3 more

So both HC and GM report to Owner?? dumb IMO

Wow!

They just tossed Sashi out and BAM new guy in 2 seconds later.

Let's hope it works.

The same structure as last time. Depo still reporting directly to Haslem too....at least for now.

Any idea the price tag

I brought that up in the GM Candidate thread (see below) a few hours ago. I think it may...

Why is it dumb?

Bro, this is a great move for the Browns! This guy can identify talent. Reid won yet another power struggle and that is the only reason he was fired.

I'd take Dorsey over Reid.

Dorsey and Hue are going to be a very good combination.

Sashi got us a bunch of picks. Now, we have the guy to make those picks. And hopefully, he will play nice w/agents, players, and other teams...........unlike Sashi.

Merry Christmas, Brown's fans!

Though the details have never been made public, there was some talk that it took a six year contract, similar to that which Kyle Shanahan got, to lure Hue Jackson to Cleveland as the other opportunities were considered more desirable.

I wonder if the four year deal is to perfectly align their contracts, with Jimmy saying, "Okay, now it's continuity and I'm just not touching it."

That'd be pretty damn cool.

If Depo is staying............does that mean we will still be utilizing analytics?

I'm in your corner about hiring Dorsey .. great move .. just wish that Hue/DEPO would report to HIM, and then he to Haslam

Would Hue's system be a good fit for Smith?

Most credible FO hire since '99.

The guy definitely has a good, proven track record. Cannot deny that.

If it was a good fit for Dalton, it would be a good fit for Smith.

I don't think we go in that direction, though. I think we draft Rosen [provided he passes the intense character analysis interviews.]

This is great news and a necessary move !!!

I wonder how many scouts he's previously worked with that he can bring in at this point... do e keep all of our current scout team? I have no idea about those logistics

I agree. I am very excited about this hire.

Good question, but I have no idea as to what the answer is.

I'm thinkin' the same thing.

First off, I'm feeling pretty wizardly about right now. Coupla weeks ago I posted about my desire to get Alex Smith and draft Rosen and move up to get Barkley.. the the other day I posted an article that Dorsey was the guy we were looking at.. badda bing!

I still say we should go after Alex.. I think he's able to run Hue's offense.. and IMO we should draft Rosen and tell him and Kizer to hold clipboards and learn the game and per my roster ready article I posted which I agree with, I don't think Crow is the guy, he's very average. Get Barkley. He's a difference maker.

I believe a system should be build around the personnel, not the other way around, but I may be in the minority.

Regardless, he could certainly run the offense that Kizer is running. He's a game manager, not a gunslinger. If Hue wants a downfield passing game, then Smith might not be the right guy.

I want to feel wizardly lol.

I will have to settle for empowered female songs on youtube.

JC - here's an article from January on his picks while with the Cheifs. First rounders were very solid and overall they did pretty well across the board.

Looking back at their team needs, they pretty much hit the biggest each year.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article124750189.html

Under Reid and Dorsey, draft has produced bulk of Chiefs’ starters, Pro Bowlers

In their first draft of the Andy Reid/John Dorsey era, the Chiefs didn’t get much production after their first two picks, tackle Eric Fisher and tight end Travis Kelce. The drafts got progressively better after that.

There is this distinction: When this year’s Pro Bowl team and alternates were announced, at least one player from each of the four classes was represented, including Fisher and Kelce. In all, Reid and Dorsey have drafted 32 players in Kansas City: 21 are on the 53-man roster heading into the Chiefs’ Jan. 15 AFC Divisional Playoff game, 12 were starters on offense or defense during 2016 and five were selected to the Pro Bowl or as alternates.

Here are the Chiefs’ drafts for the previous four seasons, which feature more hits than misses, especially in the later years:

2013
Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan (1st round): Beginning to live up to expectations of top pick. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.**
Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (3rd): One of the best tight ends in the game. Pro Bowler in 2016.**
Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas (3rd): Still churning as a reserve.*
Sanders Commings, DB, Georgia (5th): Appeared in two games as a rookie.
Eric Kush, C, California (Pa.) (6th): Appeared in three games for Chiefs.
Braden Wilson, FB, Kansas State (6th): Cut during training camp.
Mike Catapano, LB, Princeton (7th): Fan favorite played one season with Chiefs.

2014
Dee Ford, LB, Auburn (1st): Came into his own this season with 10 sacks. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.**
Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (3rd): Battled injuries throughout career.*
De’Anthony Thomas, WR, Oregon (4th): Team’s reserve speedster behind Tyreek Hill.*
Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia (5th): Released after two seasons.
Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee (6th): Became a starter this season.**
Laurent Durvernay-Tardif, T, McGill (6th): Two-year starter.**

2015
Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (1st): Two years, two Pro Bowls.**
Mitch Morse, C, Missouri (2nd): Two-year starter.**
Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (3rd): Number of receptions jumped from 17 as rookie to 44 this season.**
Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (3rd): Worked way into starter in base defense.**
Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia (4th): Importance increased with every game.**
D.J. Alexander, LB, Oregon State (5th): Special-teams coverage specialist.*
James O’Shaughnessy, TE, Illinois State (5th): Third tight end for offense that loves tight ends.*
Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DL, Southern Mississippi (6th): Terrific progress from first to second year.*
Da’Ron Brown, WR, Northern Illinois (7th): On practice squad last year

2016
Chris Jones, DL, Mississippi State (2nd): Impact performer on defensive line.**
KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (3rd): Cut before season started. Stunning misfire for Chiefs.
Parker Ehinger, OL, Cincinnati (4th): Left guard was off to solid start before season-ending injury vs. Colts.**
Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota (4th): Safety got season high 20 snaps against Chargers last weekend.*
Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (4th): Embraced role as special-teams gunner.*
Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (5th): Lost competition for third quarterback spot and was waived.
Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, West Alabama (5th): With 12 touchdowns, steal of the NFL Draft. Pro Bowler in 2016.*
D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (6th): Got many snaps early when secondary dealt with injuries.*
Dadi Nicolas, LB, Virginia Tech (6th): Solid special-teams performer who sustained season-ending injury vs. Chargers.

*on 53-man roster heading into playoff game; **offensive or defensive starter during 2016 (Ehinger is on injured reserve)

Depends what happens with Smith. He's still got one year left on his contract, but KC has an opt-out at the end of the season that will save them a $20M cap hit next year.

We don't know how things are going with Patrick Mahomes. They might roll with Smith for a final season for two reasons - Firstly, to make 100% sure that Mahomes is prepared as he can be. Secondly, in the hopes the Browns might try to trade for Smith.

I have my doubts he would want to be a Brown. We're not a team that is ready to win-now. We'll likely need another year or two before our young talent and additions will be in a legitimate window. During that time, we'll undoubtedly have selected and developed a young quarterback to step in.

Basically, I think Smith would only be open to that situation if he was much more prepared to win now.

I think a team like Jacksonville will be atop his list.

I don't think we go after Smith, but wouldn't we have to trade for him? I don't get the part about what he wants. If he is traded, he is traded. Or, am I misunderstanding something?

December 7,2017 a day of infamy for the Cleveland Browns.

I would sure hope so. Running everything completely on analytics isn't wise, but completely ignoring it is just as dumb, IMO.

I presume he was referring to if the Chief's opt out of his dea; for the last year.

Agreed.

So the structure is

.............Haslam..............


Repo man ... Hue .. Dorsey

Nate Ulrich
(@NateUlrichABJ)
#Browns had been talking to new GM John Dorsey 5-6 weeks, gave him four-year contract, he'll report to ownership along with coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. Cleveland formally interviewed 2 candidates, satisfying Rooney Rule, and talked to 2 or 3 more
54 mins ago · Twitter

Nate Ulrich
(@NateUlrichABJ)
#Browns had been talking to new GM John Dorsey 5-6 weeks, gave him four-year contract, he'll report to ownership along with coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. Cleveland formally interviewed 2 candidates, satisfying Rooney Rule, and talked to 2 or 3 more
54 mins ago · Twitter

I do believe my rabies is kicking in for the first time in a long time. Sashi certainly acquired plenty of assets during his tenure. However, he was enamored with flipping them into even more future considerations without turning them into tangible pieces. I always pictured him like Gollum hoarding his preciousss. Dorsey provides the catalyst for turning that capital into tangible gains.

I view Dorsey as someone who can be instrumental not only in rebuilding the roster, but in rebuilding a winning culture. He honed his chops in Green Bay, as they reasserted themselves as a dominant force. In K.C. he got his chance to shine. Look back at some articles from 2011-2012 that detail how toxic the Chiefs front office was. Dorsey absolutely helped change that culture, while Ray Farmer brought some of those stifling practices with him to Cleveland.

I need some help here bro ... don’t get me wrong ... i think were a much stronger org than we were this morning when i woke up ... i’m a happy camper

We have a football guy and the toxicity is out of the building .... very happy...

This reminds me of when we hired Hue in a way ... i was happy ... thought it was a good hire ... we heard about Hue being this QB whisperer ... U and I and a few others couldn’t figure out why and questioned it ... it just wasn’t there ....

Fast forward to today ... i keep hearing about all this talent Dorsey accumulated in KC .. I don’t see it ... where is it? .. what am i missing? ...

They have no every down RB ... Hunt started out great and has STUNK since ... there OL is OK ... nothing to write home about ... they have Kelce and Hill (another smurf) as recievers .. other than that a bunch of JUNK ...

On D ... there best players were there before he got there ... the one guy he brought in appearantly is a MORON ... u know what happend with him last week ... hes a STUD ... but he’s not a guy i want to count on ... he acted like he was high or something last week .. *L* ...

There a 500 team this year ... i just don’t see all this talent he brought in ...

Like i said ... very very happy with the hire ... think it was a good hire ...

Just like with Hue and him being a QB whisperer when he arrived ... I don’t see all this talent that Dorsey brought in ...

John Wooten doesn't know if the Browns actually interviewed a minority. YET he was "deeply bothered" Browns' hiring process... He goes on to say "Why wouldn't you interview one of the recommended people?" ... So this alliance can decide/influence what minorities should be interviewed?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21705615/cleveland-browns-hire-john-dorsey-new-general-manager

"John Wooten, chairman of Fritz Pollard Alliance, said he was "deeply bothered" by the Browns' hiring process. The alliance works to improve coaching and front-office opportunities for minorities in the NFL.

"I'll be talking to the league about it because it bothers me. It doesn't seem right. Why wouldn't you interview one of the recommended people?" Wooten told ESPN.

Wooten, a former Browns player, thinks Dorsey is qualified, but he was not happy that the team did not interview other qualified monitory candidates."

Whoever we brought in... only position needs to be hit/miss is the QB spot.

Pick the right guy and you will re-write he history books and be named 'the brains' of who turned the franchise around.

Sashi would have been that guy with this draft..

The people Sashi and his people might all end up failing (I highly doubt that, but it could happen, I guess) but how was he "toxic"

In fact he was the opposite of toxic in my opinion. He wasn't leaking news out to the media....he wasn't trying to win a power struggle in press conferences by throwing people under the bus.

Guess who was? That's what toxic means to me, at least.

Welcome to the Browns John, good luck and even though you have a 4 year contract, just rent your place, don't buy. Just my advice

I said the toxicity in the BUILDING ... just like i did in the sashi got canned thread ....

I BLAME THEM BOTH ...

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