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Jackson's career stats:


Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2015 Louisville ACC FR QB 12 135 247 54.7 1840 7.4 7.0 12 8 126.8
*2016 Louisville ACC SO QB 13 230 409 56.2 3543 8.7 9.1 30 9 148.8
2017 Louisville ACC JR QB 12 241 399 60.4 3489 8.7 9.3 25 6 151.5
Career Louisville 606 1055 57.4 8872 8.4 8.7 67 23 144.7


A whopping 60% completion rate in college this year, please. I cannot believe you pointed out Wentz. While Wentz is mobile and athletic, he his nothing like Jackson. He came from a Pro-Style offense in college and is considered a pocket passer. Nothing about Jackson screams pocket passer to me. Watson was an injury waiting to happen and lo and behold. That style of play is not sustainable in the NFL. Show me a run first QB that has won a SB and do not give me Wilson, because he is a mobile QB who can scramble but plays within the pocket.

That's literally what Lamar does now. Just because he breaks the pocket a lot doesn't mean he's not trying to play within the pocket.

The operative word there is "trying". I would prefer a QB who does play within the pocket, who has great arm talent, who is accurate, who throws receivers open, who can read defenses pre and post snap. But maybe that is just me...

Alright, well when you find a QB like that in the draft, please let us know.

The operative word is "trying". Unlike Baker Mayfield, Lamar plays against the best defensive lines in the country. He does not have the luxury to relax in the pocket. I'd prefer my QB to not take a sack and if he has to use his legs to do that, then more power to him. However, let's not act like he can't make presnap reads or is inaccurate. Not to mention he's easily the best QB at throwing 20+ yards.

Rosen.

is.

terrible.

The OL has to provide a pocket for the QB to be able to play in it.

Jackson has exhibited the things you listed (some more frequently than others, but that's true for all prospects), and make plays with his feet when things break down.

It's just a matter of time. When all the QBs are "pocket passers", one is going to win the Super Bowl. As more mobile QBs come up through college systems, the probability of one winning a Super Bowl increases.

Tom Brady's completion percentage his Senior year was only 61%. Lamar Jackson isn't a Senior yet.

Brady Michigan Stats Link

One of the "knocks" on Wentz was that he ran too much. I thought it was nonsense.

Being able to do more shouldn't be a negative.

Being able to do more isn't a knock, ever.
However, when your first instinct is to run, or your skillset is completely predicated on the threat of you running, then that IS a knock.

As for pocket passers, mobile qb's, and super bowls.... one eventually winning by default doesn't add to their value. In the NFL, the QB that can diagnose a defense and be a cerebral player before the ball is ever snapped will ALWAYS be the better QB. If he can run on top of that, BONUS... but if that isn't who he is before he starts to run, he is NOT a guy that will have sustained success in this league. He will be nothing more than another flash-in-the-pan like so many before him.

One thing we know about Mr. Jackson ...

We know witch one of the Rice Krispy brothers he’d be .... hopefully we don’t get Crackle and Pop if we take him .....

Pretty sure Snap, Crackle, and Pop are what we'd get from Rosen if the hits they're taking in college are any indication.

http://settingedge.com/nfl-draft-video-lamar-jackson-passes-of-10-yards

I haven't gotten the time to digest all the throws (I've only seen a game) and I had the video on mute, so I'm not sure if there is commentary or not. But I thought this would be a good reference guide for those on here.

needs some work on the sideline throws, but a lot of those passes were straight up money.

he made plays in the pocket, out the pocket, and it was flick of the wrist with some of those throws. he has very good arm strength, and accuracy was above average, suffered from a drop or two.

lamar, another heisman finalist.

i read the article when it dropped.

those guys have been wrong. a lot.

i dont see how they have allen ranked over lamar either.

to be fair, i think everybody was on board with Teddy except the owner, which is why we had manziel.

I can see that... but at least we found out sooner on Manziel than we would have on Bridgewater.

Exactly....

Didn't Farmer supposedly really want my guy, Derek Carr? Regardless, yes, EXACTLY. Friggin' Haslam . . .
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I think what he really wanted was to have not drafted Manziel, after the fact.

whoever drafts Lamar is gonna love it.

he is getting no respect right now as far as QBs in the draft go, and he's gonna be out for blood.

Most QB's feel that way. It's a different ball game when you got a all pro DE/LB coming from your blind side trying to take your head off.


I do think Jackson has the talent to be a force in the league. As with any young player, he needs a coach to train his eyes to see more of the field.

I think Lamar has a better draft ranking then most people in this forum think

And I don't think it is as high as some people on this forum think.

Here's my thoughts on Lamar. I'm not completely opposed to it, but I think QBs like these have limitations. Like Purp says QBs have to be the most cerebral guys on the field. You want a guy that can be a pocket passer first and then run if needed. Not a guy that's entire skill-set is predicated on running. If they think he's got the mental potential to become a guy like Peyton, then I say take him.

The "Pros" to getting a guy like Lamar ... It gives your offense instant credibility. If a pass play breaks down, they can run and he has to be accounted for. It also gives you a duel threat running game, where when the QB hands-off, he doesn't become a spectator and he has to be accounted for. That's difficult for many defenses to handle, so we could quickly turn our offense into something that can do damage. I've always felt that the easiest way to build an offense with a poor line and weak receivers is to get a QB that could run. We could run a RPO type offense, and at least be respectable until we could flesh out the rest of the team. I sort of wish Kizer would do this more often.

From a roster stand-point right now, getting Lamar may actually be a good move. We have Kizer, who could do well in the same type of RPO offense. If Lamar were to get injured, we wouldn't have to change up the offense that much. We would get a respectable offense right away, and we could take time to focus on building the defense or other aspects of the offense.

Now, all that said, I think getting a QB like Lamar limits our ceiling. (Unless he can show he's got the cerebral-chops) RPO offenses will tear up bad to average defenses. But when you get to the playoffs, teams with good defenses will know how to contain it. That's why teams with the cerebral QBs tend to win Super Bowls. (Unless you have an '85 Bears-esque Defense).

There's also the injury aspect of it. (I know this will trigger Swish :D) Yes, I agree that guys that stand in the pocket and get crushed will probably have similar to worse chance of getting injured then guys that run. But leg injuries are far more common then something that's going to rob arm-strength for a pocket passer. And once the legs are gone, you're QB is gone. You're going to have an RG3 type of situation.

Wilson didn’t seem to have a problem running RPO in the playoffs.

Wilson wasn't smart enough to checkdown and hand it off to Lynch.

Totally kidding. Wilson is actually one of those unicorns that have both the smarts and the speed to do it both. His biggest knock coming out of college was his size. McNabb is another that had both. I don't know if Lamar is on their level or not. (They won't let me interview him). It just seems hes closer to Mike Vick than Russell Wilson. That's not necessarily a knock.

And to be more serious, we’ve been over the injury aspect a thousand times so obviously we disagree on that.

My thing with Lamar is I believe he fits more of want Hue wants.

I just look at his year with dalton. He had dalton balling, rolling out, read options, straight up QB runs, etc.

Rosen looks too stiff to do any of that. I mean watching he games this year, Hue looks visibly frustrated that Kizer had room to run and get a first down without getting touched, yet he just stands back there and gets smacked all the time.

And so we should add Rosen, whose has worse mobility than Kizer?

I’m not saying Lamar is Wilson or Rodgers or newton. But these guys excel at extending plays, rolling out, using their mobility to either gain yards on the ground and/or extend plays to get guys open.

I haven’t seen any evidence that Rosen can do that on a remotely consistent basis.

It will be interesting to see the combine, because people are sleeping on Lamar Jackson’s arm talent, especially seeing as he has a better TD: INT ratio than Rosen, seems to be a far better leader than Rosen, and athletically, it ain’t close.

I’m just looking around the league of the new generation of QBs. All the top guys have mobility.

Even Matt Ryan and Flacco will take off on their asses. Statue stiff QBs are in the past. Stafford, Carr, bortles(he sucks but still), Luck all have the mobility needed to extend plays and keep drives alive with their legs.

Lamar, Mayfield, darnold can do that. Rosen can not.

But I believe Lamar fits want Hue wants to do on offense the most.

He’s Vick with a better arm and better speed. Whether or not he’s Wilson smart remains to be seen. But that question applies to all the QBs in the draft every year, IMO.

You said months ago, as well as Vers that some of these QBs that come from the spread are hard to project in the nfl. I agree with that.

But just because someone plays in a pro style offense in college doesn’t mean they will be good in an actual pro offense in the nfl, because at the end of the day, it’s still college.

I don't know about Lamar having a better arm and speed than Vick. Mike Vick hd one of the strongest arms I ever saw and something like 4.2 or 4.3 speed.

When you are in love you exaggerate your loved one's assets. . .

I know bro. But I’m telling you, dude is Vick 2.0. Better passer, more accurate, better runner, bigger arm.

Mike Vick: Louisville's Lamar Jackson closest I've seen to me

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-ive-seen-to-me

Didn’t exaggerate anything.

What did Mike Vick ever win? Not exactly exciting me with the Vick comparisons. He had a 56% career completion percentage. He had 133 TDs to 88 Ints. Awesome. That is what I want for the Browns next QB.

By the way, I do think Lamar is more talented than Vick. I just do not think the style of play is sustainable and will be successful long term in the NFL. I also think you have to tailor your offense entirely to his skill set for him to be successful - just like Shanahan did for RG III, who then decided he wanted to be a pocket passer and where did that get either of them.

Our current offense would have Lamar looking like a pro bowler his rookie season.

Hues offense is made for guys like Lamar.

re: Lamar/Vick arm strength

Never seen anything like it. A while back I was on the sideline for preseason game as Vick was warming up. he was smiling and joking and casually throwing the ball but you can hear the ball humming and hissing in the air

I'm not saying that Lamar Jackson doesn't have outstanding arm strength. But Vick's arm strength is legendary