I've never seen a guy turn so many plays that look like drive killers into big gains and TDs. I'm not sure there has been another player like him.
I'm not sure he'll be an amazing traditional QB, but I think he can already be functional there. He can give you things no one else can, though, and can cover up a lot of mistakes. He makes poor defenders look silly every game, multiple times.
Even if you don't look at him as a QB and just as a generic offensive weapon he's probably worth taking high.
Might want to mute the potentially annoying music in this-
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Our current offense would have Lamar looking like a pro bowler his rookie season.
Hues offense is made for guys like Lamar.
Lmao. Where do you get this stuff from?
What are you saying? Jackson wants to run a Read/Option and have his QB Running all over the field?
I've seen several of you guys in the past mention Jackson and a Read/Option even when with Dalton. Jackson DOES NOT run a R/O Offense. And he doesn't want to.
Vers. Vick not only could sling it 60 yards with a flick of the wrist, he also had the build to take the beating he did.
Jackson don't.
Hell, I've heard guys already saying that they aren't even sure what POSITION he'll be drafted for in the NFL.
You might wanna go and rewatch that season with hue with the bengals.
He had dalton running EVERYTHING.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I am not suggesting that Jackson switches positions. However, I was curious about the answer to your question. So, I did a quick google search. I'm not going to read the articles because I really don't care where he plays in the NFL, but here is a link to the results of my search:
I would take this kid over Baker Mayfield in a heart beat.
Admittedly I worry about a spread option QB transitioning to the NFL, but why is Jacksons intelligence questioned, but Mayfields isnt?? HMMMMM, I have a good idea.
But what impreses me about Lamar, compared to Mayfield is on hos passing plays, he drops back. makes reads, and finds a target, and obviously has the arm strength and accuracy to hit that target. Watch Mayfield, all his throws are on read, quick hitters.
After watching tape, my opinion is that LJ is the total package . In my mind he has leaped over Rosen.
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Personally, I question all of their intelligence and work ethic. Reason is that those are things that I have no access to to evaluate.
My questions about Lamar are:
1, Accuracy. Admittedly, I have not seen him play this year. But last year it was clearly an issue. Has it improved?
2, His style of game. Not so much that he loves to run, but that when a team would be able to stop his running then it seemed like the Louisville offense was shutdown.
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2, His style of game. Not so much that he loves to run, but that when a team would be able to stop his running then it seemed like the Louisville offense was shutdown.
That is my question for all of his type of QB that comes out of college. With him though, I see him being able to drop back, scan through his reads, and find the open target .
The fact of what he can do with his legs when there is no open target is a huge bonus
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now, obviously stats doesn't tell all but RG3 was also an athletic freak like Lamar. But i remember watching RG3 in college.
the biggest thing to me was RG3 had an absolute SQUAD on offense. He had talented WR's and such. Lamar doesn't work with offensive talent like RG3 had.
which IMO, is part of the reason Lamar has so many more rushing attempts than RG3. RG3 was able to use his running ability more like Rodgers (not calling him rodgers, just how they move around in the backfield), so he was a big threat to run.
Lamar, on the other hand, has to literally use his running ability as an offensive weapon because he didn't have a choice. His line isn't as good as RG3's, the WR's weren't as good, the RB isn't as good, etc.
but athletically and QB wise, they could be similar. definitely RG3/Vick comparisons.
the BIGGEST factor though that makes Lamar at least the better player is that remember; RG3 torn his ACL in 2009. he already came into the league with an injury history, where Lamar will not, and that's due to Lamar actually being smarter when it comes to HOW he runs.
i'm using memory, but watching Lamar play vs RG3, Lamar has way more throwaways than RG3. RG3 would take a stupid amount of unnecessary hits, while Lamar does not. Lamar also has to deal with more drops, imo. could be wrong, again, but i know for sure Lamar's team is worse than RG3's
when you see him take off, rarely if ever does a defender get a clear shot on Lamar. RG3 was getting smacked.
i know my post was long but i just wanted to discuss it.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I don't want anything to do with any "QB" whose base comparison is Vick & RG3. Guys like this are nothing more than athletes that can throw. Their career is predicated upon relying on their legs -- take away their ability to run (be it by age, injury, or defensive scheme) and they are garbage; the hype gets shattered.
That is NOT what we need.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
NFL can neutralize any player. Vick was speed unseen at first. He got demolished with some defensive adjustments. Don't see it as a Dorsey choice, but I could be wrong.
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I don't want anything to do with any "QB" whose base comparison is Vick & RG3. Guys like this are nothing more than athletes that can throw. Their career is predicated upon relying on their legs -- take away their ability to run (be it by age, injury, or defensive scheme) and they are garbage; the hype gets shattered.
That is NOT what we need.
I get what you're saying, and I partially agree ... but I'm not totally opposed to getting Lamar and potentially Barkley too with our first two picks.
I agree, it limits our ceiling, like I was saying earlier. Guys with good defenses can scheme against you, and you tend to run into good defenses late in the playoffs.
But you know what also wins in the playoffs? Teams with good defenses and good run games. I think getting Lamar would give us a lower ceiling, but it would also give us a much higher floor. Our offense would be credible against bad defenses (which is probably the majority of the league), and if we pair him with someone like Barkley, we'd be a legitimate running force. Considering we play in the AFC North, that might not be a bad thing.
We could focus entirely on building up an elite defense then. We might not beat teams with Tom Brady-like clinics on offense, but we could be a dangerous ground team that can do just enough to let our defense win on the other side of the ball.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Our offense would be credible against bad defenses (which is probably the majority of the league), and if we pair him with someone like Barkley, we'd be a legitimate running force. Considering we play in the AFC North, that might not be a bad thing.
I don't want anything to do with any "QB" whose base comparison is Vick & RG3. Guys like this are nothing more than athletes that can throw. Their career is predicated upon relying on their legs -- take away their ability to run (be it by age, injury, or defensive scheme) and they are garbage; the hype gets shattered.
That is NOT what we need.
Well, that's because they have his size and speed. He plays like Teddy Bridgewater, if Teddy could outrun everyone on the field.
That sounds like a recipe for regular disappointment. Getting a QB whose primary skill set isn't "being a passer" and hoping it makes our offense good enough to let the defense win would be a colossal waste of a top pick. If we're taking a QB at the top of the draft, he needs to , ya know, be a QB - and that means being a passer first and foremost. If he's a running threat in addition to that, bonus, but if his primary talent and thing you have to account for is his running, he is NOT the QB we need.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Agree, I think their games are completely different. But I also don't think Mayfield and Manziel are comparable or a lot of other "he's just like..." comments
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What? You know they're both from South Florida and played at Louisville, right? I get it if you don't see the football comparison, but to think that they're only comparable in skin color is flippant.
Look, I get the Teddy comparison might be hard to take, which is why I prefaced it by saying "if Teddy could outrun everyone on the field." They do play in completely different offenses and do many things different because of that. However, both quarterbacks are fairly cerebral and work their way down the field. Teddy does it with his arm only. Lamar does it with everything including the kitchen sink.
I mentioned Teddy because I wanted to get away from Vick, but mainly the RG3 comparisons. They were just getting a little heavy handed, where people began projecting their games onto Lamar's. Lamar is a lot smarter and a better pocket passer than those two. In this season, you see him try to stay in the pocket more, see him look off safeties and go through reads. Lamar is miles ahead of where Vick and RG3 were at this point in time.
Did Louisville scrap their entire passing offense?
Teddy was in a pro-style offense. I don't think they remove pro-style passing concepts from their offense.
Teddy played for Charlie Strong. Jackson played for Petrino.
I hope this isn't "trolling," but here is an article about Louisville's offense:
Quote:
Smart move using Petrino family motto to craft Louisville offense to Lamar Jackson Sep 30, 2016
Jared ShankerESPN Staff Writer
The Petrino family coaching tree has a pretty simple offensive philosophy. Don’t get caught up in shoehorning a team into a pro-style, option or spread offense.
Just feed the studs.
“Find the best way to get the best player the ball,” Paul Petrino, younger brother of Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino, said. Coach Bobby Petrino has seen sophomore QB Lamar Jackson explode into a superstar. Ian Johnson/Icon Sportswire
At Louisville, that’s quarterback Lamar Jackson, the Heisman Trophy front-runner who has accounted for more touchdowns (25) than 96 percent of the 128 FBS teams. The best way was to shuffle through a part of the playbook rarely used the past decade by Bobby Petrino, who has relied mostly on traditional NFL-style pocket passers.
It’s not quite the Michael Vick offense, the design Bobby earmarked for the quarterback he thought he was inheriting after taking the Atlanta Falcons job before the 2007 season. Vick could mimic Jackson’s sandlot acrobatics, but the faster and bigger NFL defenses are not as forgiving when targeting a quarterback on the loose. An NFL quarterback couldn’t duplicate Jackson’s 15 rushes per game.
Some of the option plays, diagrammed runs and sprint-out passes are similar, though. Dabo Swinney, who will coach his No. 5 Clemson team against No. 3 Louisville on Saturday, has called Jackson the right-handed Vick.
“There would have been similar things, things we would have done with Mike,” said Paul, who was an assistant on that Falcons team. “... There’s a lot of different ways to put the defense in a disadvantage when you have a quarterback that can run like that.”
Paul, currently the coach at Idaho but who has served nine seasons as an assistant to Bobby, said you don’t format your quarterback to the offense. If an undeniable talent like Jackson comes around, the offense should work around him.
In 13 seasons as a head coach, Bobby Petrino has relied almost exclusively on classic dropback passers. For his first full recruiting class in his second stint at Louisville, in 2015, he was only interested in “home-run threats” as both a passer and runner. It was a break from Bobby’s mold, but there was a foundation for a dual-threat option in his lengthy offensive database.
This season, Jackson’s 61 rush attempts leads all Power 5 quarterbacks, and his 526 rushing yards leads all Power 5 players. Jackson’s athleticism has stonewalled defensive coordinators scrambling for ways to stop the zone-read, as the Cardinals rank fifth nationally in rushing yards on those designs. The Cardinals made then-No. 2 Florida State submit after a deluge of zone-reads.
“He’s always had the zone-read in the system but he’s just expanded it,” Paul said. “... One of the best things Bobby has always done is we have a big menu on offense. It’s about what the quarterback can do. You’re never going to pass up an unbelievable talent. You adjust.”
Before his 2014 return to Louisville, Bobby Petrino's previous five college quarterbacks were largely immobile. From 2005-2013, only one of his quarterbacks finished a season with a positive rushing total (Brian Brohm, 45 yards in 2006). All but one of Petrino’s quarterbacks dating back to his first season were drafted, though, and four went within the first four rounds.
Bobby defends Jackson’s ability as a passer, but the sophomore is still evolving in the pocket. His completion percentage inside the pocket of 62.0 ranks 40th among Power 5 quarterbacks.
So Bobby has called on Jackson’s legs more than he ever has before with a quarterback. Jackson throws two passes for every rush, a ratio among the lowest nationally. Bobby said his first Louisville signal-caller, Stefan LeFors, was a dual-threat quarterback before the term was popularized -- “a great, great runner with the ball,” Bobby said -- but he never rushed more than 71 times in a season.
Quarterbacks who excelled as runners were never a big part of Bobby’s offenses, but it was part of his own style growing up. Mentored by his father, Bob Sr., Bobby grew up on option football.
“Bob [Jr.] threw the ball, but our dad was an option coach. We grew up around running quarterbacks,” Paul said. “That’s how we started out in this profession. We were running the option in the backyard as little kids.
“He hadn’t run that a bunch as a head coach, but he’s known about it forever.”
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