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The KKK isn't religious. They are just haters using religious symbols. Their main focus is on hating blacks and jews. NOT religion.

Which is completely opposite of radical islam. That is all about violence in allah's name. About the caliphate.

Are you saying the Boston Bomber wasn't part of radical islam? Or the twin towers? Seems they don't even have to live here to attempt mass murder.

But sure, keep going with your weak examples.

There are no Christian Extremist organizations performing any kind of mass murder here. Or anywhere, really.

Are you trying to say all muslims are brown?

Not even close. Good try though.

40 supports banning Arab Muslims. Who are brown. It’s the only reason he complains about chain migration.

Silly. Chain Migration works for all immigrants of any color.

But what else could I expect from a guy who only eats the brown M&M's because the rest are racist.

I didn’t know the other colors were somehow racist. Lame joke is lame.

You only complain about chain migration when it comes to brown people.

You are so wrong. I have never had a problem with Red or White or Yellow or Brown people. None. Never.

Your posting history says otherwise.

I actually kind of see your point through your inane gibberish

But WTF does buildng a wall have to do with this ?

It can be hard to use this line of reasoning because people who HAVE lived through terror attacks may not share your view. It doesn't make your view wrong, it just isn't a good selling point I think.

My Uncle retired after spending a full career in the Army. For 20 or so of those years he worked in the Pentagon and lived in NVA. He was at the Pentagon when the plane hit on 9/11 and made it out without much injury physically. But he lost untold number of coworkers that day, and a bond made by fellow soldiers in service to their country beats most other careers I bet. He lost friends while fighting in Vietnam , but that didn't make it any easier.

I asked him in the run up to Trump winning the GOP nomination in 2016 his opinion on immigration. His opinion stuck with me. He felt it was riskier to lose our freedom than it is to risk dying by those who would see our freedom die. He served in West Germany at the checkpoints and border control. Perhaps seeing what the Soviets did to their people formed his opinion. Either way, as someone who has dealt with terrorism firsthand, his opinion carries alot of weight with me.

I feel that vetting is OK as long as it's done in a consistent manner. Banning on country of origin is not consistent and is at odds with the values of our country imho.

A-holes are A-holes ... color, religion, sex, country of origin means NADA ....

For instance there’s PLENTY OF ILLEGALS and REFUGESS I’d much have living in a country with me than many of these board members .... and its NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

U do the math on both above statements ... yet I’m the RACIST ... ...

It's too bad we can't export some of these guys to other countries to show those counties what we put up with bud!

Especially ones that claim to have lived in other countries either as civilians or in the military and then with their foreign born wives decide to live in this RACIST COUNTRY run by OLD WHITE GUYS ...

WHY ... what world does that make sense in ...

1 + 1 = 2 .... once again, the math don’t add up ...

I see 40 is having a conversation with himself again.

Must be the moonshine.

I'm for keeping them all out. We should have a merit based system. In other words, what can you do to improve this country?

the problem is who determines that, and how.

It already takes 10 years to get into this country legally. (worst case scenario)

I'd be for something that makes it a little easier.

Because I'm sure a lot of those illegals try to read the requirements and are like....

...oh hell no.

There should be a happy medium. And then there wouldn't be half the problems there are.

I'd be happier with a happy 75%, like knocking 75% off of that time. 10 years is an eternity, especially if you REALLY want to come here to take advantage of the opportunities that are here.

We kind of already do.

It's why your cardiologist is named Soo (Korea)
It's why your college's Pharmacology professor's name is Pudupakkam (India)
It's why your IT guy's name is Oyama (Japan)
It's why my dentist's name is Tohme (Syria)


I get why you say what you do, but America's reality has been pretty much what you describe anyway... and for almost the exact opposite reason(s).

They came here for opportunity, turned that opportunity into a personal American immigrant success story- then Made America Great by producing and excelling- right here on our shores. As new American citizens.


Just like your ancestors.
Just like the ancestors of (almost) every poster who frequents this site.


I'm gonna drop this in here, not because I know/assume your ethnicity, but because I know my Pops-In-Law's... and can speak from hearing first-hand information. This is what awaited his family when they landed on our shores in the late 1800's- just one generation before he became part of America's 'Greatest Generation.' It tells us all we need to know about immigration, refugees, and the place they all want to call home:





I've already talked at length about my own family, and how they impacted American History, both pre- and post-Civil War.


And please also note: not every one of America's Soos, Oyamas and Tohmes became high-earning professionals in the 'White Collar' vein. Some became shop owners, restaurateurs, teachers, machinists, office folk, day care providers, etc... in other words, they contributed each to his/her abilities. Just like every other frkkn American.

Some didn't actually find their abilities until they came here. Their previous lives didn't afford them that opportunity.


The inherent weakness/downside with 'merit-based' entry policy is patently obvious and two-fold:

1. It gives authority to a handful of 'gatekeepers' who could adopt any subjective criteria they wish to control entry. Criteria that could limit the potential that America welcomes to her shores. Criteria that could subvert the principles that define who we are. Because THEY think they're smart enough to know what's best for all of us.

2. It sells short this society's ability to lift folks from abject poverty and powerlessness to fully-functioning citizenship in the most powerful nation this planet has ever known.

I remember having this same discussion in the late 70's, when the 'Boat People' from Viet Nam began arriving on our shores. Here we are, 40 years later, and the Viet are now fully-integrated Americans. Every new wave of immigrants (from anywhere) are always met with this resistance... with the exact same reasons/explanations/paranoiatalkingpoints trotted over, time and again.


And it always works out.

Because: Founding Fathers, yo-

A lot of these new republican far right types want chain migration. They think slavery was good and putting people in chains to deport them is awesome.

j/c

I would hope yet another incident as this would help some of those who haven't figured it out yet, is that ISIS is an ideology. These people can come from anywhere or even be born in the Unites States. You can defeat their army, but not their ideas. Claiming victory over ISIS is moronic.

What kind of idiot doesn't understand that defeating the ISIS armies and ending the Caliphate saves the lives of more thousands of Christians they Crucified in public, more thousands of Muslims they butchered in public, and all the enslaved women and children they can no longer abuse.

So now we fight against the scattered ones who are left and their terror attacks. Their power base lies in ashes.

To declare these great victories to be nothing is moronic.

There's a difference in what I said and what you are saying.

My point is that you won't and can't stop terrorist attacks by simply defeating the armies of ISIS. Defeating their armies doesn't stop the actual goal of stopping terrorist attacks. You achieved the goal of defeating their armies but concerning terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Europe, it accomplished nothing.

You do realize that there are offshoots of ISIS that still have strongholds in many part of Africa, right?

We are already fighting those groups in Africa.
We adjust and learn and stop terror attacks around the world now.
We stop more attacks than are successful today.

ISIS with armies and a Caliphate killed at least 10,000 people in a short time but they no longer exist.

ISIS with armies controlling cities was a war and we are victorious as all of Iraq is now cleared of their armies. Soon Syria will be cleared.

Fighting Terrorism is more of a law enforcement duty as we have ended the war. We have destroyed their base of operations.

We will fight terrorism, being it ISIS, others with a beef, or homegrown, forever. No different than the Brits fought Irish terrorism in decades past.

I really don't think you're disagreeing with me.

Yes I am. You saying declaring any kind of victory over ISIS is moronic. I proved you wrong. No one is declaring the fight to be over though. Terrorism will persist.

Let's see, you agree that we are still fighting their armies in Africa. You agree that we are still fighting ISIS terrorists here in the U.S. and Europe.

And yet you claim saying that we defeated them makes sense. Well all-righty then! lol

Just continue to close your eyes to the world around you and concentrate on hating Trump.

All politicians make silly claims. This just happens to be one Trump made.

Do you remember the "Mission Accomplished" banner on the ship when Bush was president? Pretty much the same thing.

Wow. Talk about "whataboutism"?

I'll take a page out of the lib's talking point file here: Bush isn't the president. So, why talk about him?

It seems some people downplay anything other presidents have done saying "yeah, he/she isn't president, so why talk about them?" when it suits them.

And here you come with "what about bush?"

(and I do get the point you were attempting to make, trust me, I do)


ISIS - it's better to be beating them and flushing them out than it is to be doing nothing. Would you agree?

its sad that both pit and 40 are right, but won't settle down and realize that.

defeating the actual soldiers is great, for the middle east.

the problem is the terrorism aspect, and that's an ideology that can not be defeated with bombs and bullets. even Bush understood that.

here's the perfect correlation so that you and others can understand:

Hitler and the Nazi's were an actual Army. something that can be defeated with bombs and bullets.

and we did.

but the ideology of Nazism is alive and well. we see that everyday in this country alone.

that can not be defeated with bombs and bullets.

right now we need to figure out the terrorism aspect, and i've explained multiple times already how it's a vicious cycle and how we directly and indirectly lead to rises of jihadist. you can not defeat an ideology with a gun. ask the people of france if they feel any safer now that Iraq has once again "claimed" they defeated a terrorist organization.

how many times are we and other nations in the middle east gonna declare victory, only for us to bite us in the ass again?

I was going to post something similar.

Like you said, 40 and pit are both right.

Obviously you didn't when I was using it as an example that all presidents sometimes say dumb things. In order to do that, I would have to point out something another president said or did that I thought was dumb. So no, obviously you didn't get it.




I believe I've said that all along. The actual point is that we haven't "defeated ISIS". That has been my point if you've actually been following along. We are fighting them in Africa still. We are fighting terrorist acts here and in Europe still.

Doing anything and everything you can do to fight against ISIS is a good thing. However, claiming victory over an enemy you are continuing to fight on different fronts is showboating. I know I'm not allowed to use other examples of showboating by anyone else because that would be "whataboutism". Thus we can never compare showboating.

This is a matter of winning the battle, but the war is far from over. Just saying.

Well stated. We could pull out of the middle east and not have another terrorist attack for 2 years.. but then as soon as one happens, it proves the ideology was not defeated.

We should come to grips with the fact that it can never be defeated.. with guns and bullets or otherwise... we are human beings, we have found reasons to hate and kill each other since the dawn of time and will continue to do so for reasons most ordinary people can't understand.. We can seek to minimize the reasons people have to hate each other, we can encourage cooperation and alliances, we can do a lot of stuff.. what we can't do is create the perfect world where nobody hates each other.

Pro-ISIS poster threatens more New York City attacks, beheading of NYPD Commissioner James O'Neill

ISIS threatened to unleash more terror attacks on New York City and depicted NYPD Police Commissioner James O’Neill at the mercy of a knife-wielding jihadi fighter in a frightening new poster released Thursday -- just three days after an ISIS-inspired Bangladeshi man detonated a pipe bomb in a busy subway passageway.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/14/pro...mes-oneill.html