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We have a new GM. The college season is almost over. It may be a little early but hell our season has been over for a long time.
It would be interesting to read who the posters on the Board want to select at quarterback from this years draft or realistic FA.
State who you would like and why. Go as deep as needed to make your point. Compare against the other considerations or simply state who you believe is the best candidate and why.
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FA\Trade: I'd be ok with Alex Smith for a couple years if the deal is right (this requires an extension) with Kizer sitting behind him. I'd be ok with Breese as well in the same mold. I'd also be ok with Cousins. No thanks on McCarron, I'm not sure he's an improvement (I'm not sure he's not). Bradford, I'm not sure about.
Draft: If all I read on Rosen and his teammates/coaching staff not liking him is true, no thanks. Nobody else is worth the #1 pick, or even top 10. I'd take Darnold or Allen with the first pick in the 2nd round if either were available. I think a guy you'll start seeing climb up the draft boards is Clayton Thorson. I'm going to guess he'll be a top 5 QB, maybe top 3.
Frankly, I'd like to give Kizer more time. Get more talent around him and see what we have.
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Looks like we'll be picking 1 & possibly 5. I think we have to take the QB we want at #1 or risk losing him. I want Rosen from a strictly "ready to go" POV but I'm not sure he's the QB Dorsey will want, due to his "character issues" I put that in quotes because I don't know what they are or how Dorsey will view them. A guy like Darnold or Allen may be more to his liking. I'm ok with those guys too.
I want to start Kizer next year, and I want the rookie to sit.
I'd take Alex Smith, but I wouldn't give up the farm to get him. I'm not even sure I'd give up picks in the first two rounds. Maybe a second next year. Maybe I'd wait until he's cut, if he is. McCarron, I don't know much about other than I wasn't that impressed when he came out. But if Hue likes him, I can see having him in the QB room with the two younger guys. Again, I don't give up a high pick to get him. He may be a UFA anyway, but that point seems muddy right now. If he's not, maybe a 3rd if he's really important to Hue.
Cousins. No, because that would take both Kizer and the rookie off the table for quite some time and would cost a fortune just to get him here. We don't need to be saddled with that kind of cap hit at this stage, even if if we do have room to spare, and as well as he's played, I believe he's reached his "upside".
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We have to draft a QB. I think Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, and Baker Mayfield all have a chance to be pretty good (along with Darnold if he comes out). Josh Allen is a complete wildcard.
For me it's:
1. Josh Rosen
2. Sam Darnold
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Baker Mayfield
5. Josh Allen
I don't think there is a chance Kirk Cousins signs with us and I wouldn't be surprised if Washington franchises him again. All the other guys (Alex Smith, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Case Keenum, etc.) underwhelm me. A.J. McCarron will be an option if he's an unrestricted free agent, but I don't think he is a long term solution. If I was made to sign a free agent it would probably be Tyrod Taylor.
There aren't many great trade candidates out there. I think there will be a market for Brett Hundley because he's played alright (compared to some of the other QBs in the league), but I wouldn't want him. The big one is Andrew Luck, but I don't think he will be available and I have no clue what it would cost to get him if he was available.
(I didn't mention Drew Brees and/or Eli Manning because there is no way they are going to a team with a situation like ours.)
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Tagging Cousins again would be wildly expensive. (Not saying they won't do it) If they're smart they work out a contract, or draft a QB, maybe make a move for Smith? Players can be tagged in consecutive years, but it's costly. For a player to be tagged two-straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary. If it's three-straight years, the team must pay the player 144 percent of his previous salary.
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Tagging Cousins again would be wildly expensive. (Not saying they won't do it) If they're smart they work out a contract, or draft a QB, maybe make a move for Smith? Players can be tagged in consecutive years, but it's costly. For a player to be tagged two-straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player's previous salary. If it's three-straight years, the team must pay the player 144 percent of his previous salary. I know that it is expensive, but they've back themselves into a corner. They have a really good QB and have no prospects for another one if Cousins leaves. Cousins won't sign a long term contract with them because he will get similar money on the open market and be able to sign with a team that treats him well.
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What's that Chinese curse? May we live in interesting times. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
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Lot's and lots of variables right now and just too many to narrow it down to one plan right now.
There are a ton of FA QB options this year and we have a ton of cap space. I could see us going that route.
There are 6 good QB's out there that are in the 1st round conversation and I could see us going that route.
We have enough picks and cap space that we could go both routes.
As some of these FA QB's come off the market and some more info comes out on the prospects we'll narrow things down, but it's just too early to commit to anything right now.
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Saquon Barkley with the first.
Niners and Colts have their Qb's, so just stand put or even trade up to take a QB.
At this time I like Lamar the most... I like Rosen also... depends on the HC.
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If it's anything like last year, QB needy teams like the Giants, Arizona, and the Jets will be jumping up to take "Their Guy". That's why I don't pass on "Our Guy" at #1.
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My case is for Lamar Jackson.
There is no QB in this draft that is more dynamic than him. He can make all the throws, he can escape the rush. This league is no longer for QBs who standing the pocket and get smacked because they have no athleticism.
Draft Lamar, then draft Barkley at 5.
You go into the 2018 season with Lamar, Barkley, Duke, Gordon, Coleman, Njoku, and devalve.
Lamar forces teams to dedicate a spy, allowing better one on one matchups for our RBs and TEs. He is Michael Vick with better passing skills. He’s RG3 without the injury history.
He has he better TD: INT ratio than Rosen, he has a higher yards per pass average than Rosen. He’s a better athlete than Rosen. He’s a better leader than Rosen. He stays healthy unlike Rosen, who already has a injury history that can NOT be ignored. He has a better feel for the pocket than Rosen. He can move in the pocket better than Rosen.
You draft Lamar and Barkley and you don’t look back.
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My case is for Lamar Jackson.
There is no QB in this draft that is more dynamic than him. He can make all the throws, he can escape the rush. This league is no longer for QBs who standing the pocket and get smacked because they have no athleticism.
Draft Lamar, then draft Barkley at 5.
You go into the 2018 season with Lamar, Barkley, Duke, Gordon, Coleman, Njoku, and devalve.
Lamar forces teams to dedicate a spy, allowing better one on one matchups for our RBs and TEs. He is Michael Vick with better passing skills. He’s RG3 without the injury history.
He has he better TD: INT ratio than Rosen, he has a higher yards per pass average than Rosen. He’s a better athlete than Rosen. He’s a better leader than Rosen. He stays healthy unlike Rosen, who already has a injury history that can NOT be ignored. He has a better feel for the pocket than Rosen. He can move in the pocket better than Rosen.
You draft Lamar and Barkley and you don’t look back.
Barkley is not going to make it past the 49ers at #2
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We should take Barkley with the first... No doubts about it.
Rosen looks very good also, just a different type of QB...
We can like several Qb's can't we?
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Why not? Carlos Hyde is good, and RB isn’t close to being a priority of the niners.
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We should take Barkley with the first... No doubts about it. You'd risk your potential franchise QB on a running back? That would have "another Browns failed draft" written all over it. I'd take him at five if he's there. Frankly, I'm torn between him and Minkah as the second pick. Hopefully one of them will be there.
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Why not? Carlos Hyde is good, and RB isn’t close to being a priority of the niners. If the Ninners want Saquan, we better make them pay a kings ransom.... Take Saquan with the first and a Qb with the fifth...
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In my opinion there are five guys who are considerations for the first pick of college quarterbacks. They are Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson.
From that list I do not believe that Mayfield and Jackson would be considered by most GM's as the top consideration but maybe first round selections.
Josh Allen is a guy who will do well in the selection process. He will demonstrate excellent physical tools and I believe he will interview well. Some will site his production and competition level as a negative. He may or may not be able to overcome those objections.
Rosen in my mind is the most NFL ready player. It is my belief he could play in the NFL today. He has elite passing skills ( I do not define elite as the hardest thrower). Rosen has advanced mechanical fundamentals. His footwork sets up his throwing motion. He has smart feet; he automatically gets into a throwing position. His throwing motion is compact and quick. He has very good accuracy and anticipation. His movement skills are decent not exceptional. He has good pocket awareness from the standpoint of timing. He throws well on the move. But for the most part I would consider him a pocket passer. He has played from a NFL type offense which is very helpful in adapting to the NFL. He has shown the ability to read defenses and go to secondary targets.
What will decide where he will be drafted is the interview process. Because that is unknown and because I place such a high value on leadership he is not my first choice. If he clears that and Dorsey and Hue are comfortable there; then he would become my first choice.
For me that leaves Darnold. Some of my evaluation of Darnold I have to admit is subjective. Gut instinct. I just feel this guy is going to be really good.
He is a natural athlete. Good at multiple sports. Which is helpful because there are crossover benefits. He has the physical tools: good size and speed. He has a strong arm. However, he has round delivery not elongated. So the end result is he has an acceptable release. I believe the NFL will tighten that up some. He has excellent pocket awareness with the ability to extend plays beyond the pocket and make plays there with his arm or legs. He throws guys open with good anticipation. He is very accurate both from the pocket and in movement. He can make throws to any part of the field. The USC offense is not UCLA. They have some pro concepts and run some comparable patterns. Darnold has shown the ability to go to secondary receivers and look off defenders.
But what really defines Darnold is his ability to make big plays when those plays have to be made. You can tell by the way his teammates respond to him that they believe in his ability to win games. It has been noted by teammates and coaches that he is a humble young man and a leader. In the same mold as Wentz.
In the end I believe that Darnold will excel in the NFL. He will adapt quickly but like most will struggle during the learning curve.
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We should take Barkley with the first... No doubts about it. You'd risk your potential franchise QB on a running back? That would have "another Browns failed draft" written all over it. I'd take him at five if he's there. Frankly, I'm torn between him and Minkah as the second pick. Hopefully one of them will be there. I think we can take both,but have to take Saquan first... We cannot pass on Saquan, not after Zeke and Leo...
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Why not? Carlos Hyde is good, and RB isn’t close to being a priority of the niners. Hyde is a free agent and they feel he gets hurt too much.
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I understand your point but realistically three QBs could come off the board by the time we pick again. I don't think Dorsey will risk losing his guy for a RB. I want Saquon too, and if he's there at five, which he could be given other teams' needs, I could see us taking him... unless of course Minkah is there, then.... who knows?
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I agree with your assessment,but I think what we thought NFL ready was has changed...
We can argue that mobile QB's are more NFL ready than pocket passers, specially in bad teams.
I think we will be OK next year picking a QB, although the Mahomes move makes me wonder....
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Saquan will not be there at 5...
Zeke and Leo changed the way we see RB's....
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Why not? Carlos Hyde is good, and RB isn’t close to being a priority of the niners. Hyde is a free agent and they feel he gets hurt too much. I can see them either resigning him, or trading back before they take a RB at 3, especially with all the holes they have on their roster. More realistically, I think the colts are the bigger threat to take Barkley before us. It will be interesting to see who the giants draft at 2. Will they go QB or trade back? Regrdless, I feel like for what Hue wants to do on offense, Lamar is hands down the better fit for this team. We need someone dynamic at #1, and Rosen just isn’t dynamic. He’s the best pure passer in the class, but there’s so much more than that playing QB, and I just don’t see it with Rosen. My ranking is Lamar, Baker, Darnold, Rosen. All these guys can make all the throws, but the top 3have the mobility needed to extend plays that are so crucial in the nfl, and on top of that, those 3 are absolute leaders. Their teams ride or die for their QBs, and you just don’t see that sort of leadership from Rosen. The question with Rosen as far as off the field, his ability to have his teammates rally around him, his lack of mobility, and his injury history is the reason I can’t get on board taking him #1 overall. I want Lamar, but if they take Baker or Sam then I’m all good with it. But no to Rosen.
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I'll just steal Vers thunder here and now ......
Bridgewater! Bridgewater! Bridgewater!
We just need a veteran on staff and why not Bridgewater or Smith. I'm good with either.
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I'll just steal Vers thunder here and say......
Bridgewater! Bridgewater! Bridgewater! I’d be on board with this.
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Oh and I don’t understand he hate Baker Mayfield gets.
That dude has mad skills. And his teammates will run through a brick wall for him. I would absolutely love it if we drafted Mayfield.
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Saquan will not be there at 5...
Zeke and Leo changed the way we see RB's.... I understand. It's just that this team, this year, QB trumps RB. Period. IMHO. Also, there are some good really backs in this draft. We may not get the most expensive toy, but that doesn't mean our toy box will be empty.
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Oh and I don’t understand he hate Baker Mayfield gets. Who hates Baker Mayfield? I see him in top five QB conversations everywhere. It's just that Rosen, Darnold & Allen are probably the more probable choice with our first pick. Having said that, if Dorsey loves him some Mayfield, that's probably the QB we'll take.
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From me there is no hate.
I just think there are better options.
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i was talking more of the way he's perceived in general through the national media and fans.
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Jimmy made a point in the press conference was that Dorsey's #1 priority is to find us a QB ... So we will take 1 at #1 my top candidates are:
1. Josh Rosen - He is the most NFL ready IMO ...
2. Sam Darnold - if he comes out he could start right away also IMO ...
3. Josh Allan - If we get a FA/QB like Smith to start for a couple years Allan may be the pick IMO because he needs some time ...
4 Lamar Jackson - He is the wild card IMO ...
5. Baker Mayfield - This Guy Intrigues Me and Scares Me at the Same Time ...
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There is no QB in this draft that is more dynamic than him. He can make all the throws, he can escape the rush. This league is no longer for QBs who standing the pocket and get smacked because they have no athleticism.
Man, who won the last three Super Bowls... and the 2013 Super Bowl, 2012 Super Bowl...? I'll give you Russell Wilson thrown in there. 
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hehehe, I was going to make a thread. Name your Bridge QB.
Cause quite frankly I think we don't leave anything to chance.
We will get a Vet QB and we will also draft a Franchise QB prospect.
I would not mind at all if we had:
Cutler FA 2 year deal boat load of money compared to what he is getting.
Mayfield with our 2nd first round pick...possibly trading the first overall pick for a couple of more 1st and a 2nd!!!
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There is no QB in this draft that is more dynamic than him. He can make all the throws, he can escape the rush. This league is no longer for QBs who standing the pocket and get smacked because they have no athleticism.
Man, who won the last three Super Bowls... and the 2013 Super Bowl, 2012 Super Bowl...? I'll give you Russell Wilson thrown in there. Look at the current generations of QB's. Wilson yes, Newton, while he didn't win, still hammers my point further that he led his team to a superbowl appearance. the Winners were Manning and Brady. one is out the league and the other has a few years left. the new generation of QB's and in the future all have some mobility. everybody's favorite QB Aaron Rodgers has made monster plays using his legs to extend plays, gain first downs, roll outs into perfect throws. he's dynamic. And Lamar is Dynamic.
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This new generation QB's you speak of are there because the NCAA doesn't develop old generation QB's. If they did, old generation QB's would be there. When all you have to choose from is a bunch of spread QB's, that's what you end up with.
When an old generation QB becomes an option, you take him.
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I disagree. Today QBs are becoming great passers with mobility.
Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott.
Stiffs like mike glennon aren’t cutting it. Cutler is on a one year rental, who allowed hasn’t cut it in this league, amongst other reasons.
I hope we stay away from Rosen.
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There are many ways to get the job done. One does not have to exclude the other.
Kosar and Rivers are hardly the prototype. But at the end of the day the ball got to right person at the right time.
If you look at perfection the guys who get close are Rodgers and Luck.
They are pocket guys who look to throw first but have the ability to move and then throw. Or, if necessary run the ball.
Ben is often overlooked but I believe is a HOFamer. He can extend plays but looks to throw. Steve Young also comes to mind.
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I don’t have a problem with Big Ben. You’re only proving my point though. Rivers is out the door and has never got his team to a super bowl appearance.
Cam has though. Wilson has. Rodgers has.
Josh Rosen can not do that. He does not extend plays because he is not mobile and does not have a great feel for the pocket. Every time I’ve seen him move, it’s almost a disaster.
Rosen is way too stiff bro. If y’all are hellbent on a pure pocket passer with some mobility then go Darnold. That’s fine.
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