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Well Britt obviously felt like the FO hadn't brought in enough talent to this team to win with and Kizer was so inaccurate that he could never put up good numbers here. With Coleman getting Healthy and JG coming back, he did't want to play third wheel. Literally EVERYONE is to blame except Hue Jackson. Yet again. Amazing. Hue certainly has his own flaws. It's just the crap that you made up isn't one of them. I echo Pit's point. I asked you to provide a link, and you provided me with one where, like you mentioned, there was no reference to not wanting to play for Hue, but it was in reference to a guy who was just cut, and has been known to be a team cancer who dogs it during the season. I will counter your point with the fact that the vast majority of our guys - hell maybe even everyone but Britt - has been playing hard for Hue. Look, I'm fine with critiquing, especially when a team is this down, but stop trying to twist the facts into what you want them to be. What player in his right mind is going to complain publicly about his coach? Before, during or after his time with said coach? That doesn't make you wrong and BDU right...it just is what it is.
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You've never seen players complain about coaches?
Again I ask, if so many players don't like playing for Hue, why are they playing so hard, whereas teams like the Giants quit on their coach?
Edit: By the way, I'm not the one making definitive assertions and trying to twist the facts. I called out a BS assertion, and countered it. It has nothing to do with me being right and someone else being wrong. It has to do with being objective.
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Are we really wringing our hands over Kenny Britt?
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Look, I'm fine with critiquing, especially when a team is this down, but stop trying to twist the facts into what you want them to be. Britt wanted out according to a highly reputable source and, following getting his way, Britt's agent lashed out at Hue Jackson, twice, on social media. Do enlighten as to how I'm twisting facts for speculating that there is a correlation between the two?
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Again I ask, if so many players don't like playing for Hue, why are they playing so hard, whereas teams like the Giants quit on their coach?
It's their job? Plus who wants to be known as having played for an 0-16 team?
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I wish that we would have required Britt to give up his future guarantees in order to obtain his release. He sure didn't earn his money here ... at all.
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Are we really wringing our hands over Kenny Britt? They're trying to prove that a crappy player who never said a word about Hue, hated Hue. And the beat goes on..... lmao
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You've never seen players complain about coaches?
Again I ask, if so many players don't like playing for Hue, why are they playing so hard, whereas teams like the Giants quit on their coach?
Edit: By the way, I'm not the one making definitive assertions and trying to twist the facts. I called out a BS assertion, and countered it. It has nothing to do with me being right and someone else being wrong. It has to do with being objective. To your first question: Never? No...not never. Is it some type of norm? Of course not. I'm just saying that a lack of public complaining means virtually nothing. To your second question: We have a team full of young guys trying to make it in the NFL. Of course they are going to bust their butts...they have almost zero credibility to start slacking. I think the fact that they are still busting their butts bodes well for Hue & Co. But it doesn't guarantee one way or the other their "liking" Hue & Co. Again, it means virtually nothing.
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Just as trying to make the case that they don't like playing for Hue means nothing.
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Are we really wringing our hands over Kenny Britt? They're trying to prove that a crappy player who never said a word about Hue, hated Hue. And the beat goes on..... lmao Some are worried that Hue's demand to have more say over the roster has - unnecessarily - weakened an already lacking position group and created a hole that we didn't need to create. Hue can't handle Britt..but BB thinks he can. I'll bet under BB's watch Britt will not slack and will listen to his music more-respectfully in the locker room. Time will tell. He will respect BB...he did not respect Hue.
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Just as trying to make the case that they don't like playing for Hue means nothing. I agree...and said so. Players tend to keep their yap shut about such a thing. Don't want to be burning bridges and all.
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Just because this was the only job Britt could land doesn't really mean anything. Just because he came here for a paycheck only isn't the fault of anyone but they guy that signed him who couldn't figure that out. Didn't Sashi get suckered by Dwayne Bowe just the year before? Yeah, I though to so.
Britt will have a better chance to showcase his talent on a very good team with a very good QB in NE. He'll care more so he'll do more.
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Just because this was the only job Britt could land doesn't really mean anything. Just because he came here for a paycheck only isn't the fault of anyone but they guy that signed him who couldn't figure that out. Didn't Sashi get suckered by Dwayne Bowe just the year before? Yeah, I though to so.
Britt will have a better chance to showcase his talent on a very good team with a very good QB in NE. He'll care more so he'll do more. Bowe was signed by Farmer. Britt was a turd. He nows plays on a better team, with a better QB and a better Head coach.
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Dwayne Bowe came from KC, though. Was he drafted there, or did he come in as a FA? I don't remember.
What I don't understand is why there are posts in this thread other than "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and "good riddance". We are seriously trying to glean info from a Twitter post from an agent of a guy that was one of the most worthless players in Browns history?
If that guy hated playing for Hue, that's actually a positive reflection on Hue's coaching ability.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Bet - If Britt's agent was tweeting about Sashi Brown, that would have meant something to ya'll. But because it's about Hue Jackson, suddenly it's something we shouldn't consider to be relevant for discussion, and should not discuss at all.
Weird.
If an agent calls out anyone who is employed by this team, that's something I'm going to be talking about. It's important.
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Britt played well last year...he was a turd here...he just signed with the reigning Super Bowl champs. Our WR room is weaker today than when Britt was here.
That spreads a lot of tentacles into things people will want to discuss/surmise.
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The first pattern Britt will run for BB is over the middle..if he catches the ball without coming up lame or needing a play off after every pattern he runs..he might be able to hang with the Pats for a while.
Playing for a coach who is also the GM, on a team expecting to win a Super Bowl..expectations might be a bit different than playing on a team that won 1 game in 2016, playing for a GM who wanted you in Cleveland to prove a point... playing for a HC who was doing his best to work with management, being a bit more tolerant of Britt's behavior and work ethic than he would be, under normal conditions.
Maybe Britt has a lot more in the tank than he showed in Cleveland...we shall see.
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Bet - If Britt's agent was tweeting about Sashi Brown, that would have meant something to ya'll. But because it's about Hue Jackson, suddenly it's something we shouldn't consider to be relevant for discussion, and should not discuss at all. Why would it mean anything? Sashi is gone. Or do you plan on keeping it alive for years like the Trent Richardson threads on this board?
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Bet - If Britt's agent was tweeting about Sashi Brown, that would have meant something to ya'll. But because it's about Hue Jackson, suddenly it's something we shouldn't consider to be relevant for discussion, and should not discuss at all. Why would it mean anything? Sashi is gone. Or do you plan on keeping it alive for years like the Trent Richardson threads on this board? Or like the Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, Pryor, et al threads?
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The first pattern Britt will run for BB is over the middle..if he catches the ball without coming up lame or needing a play off after every pattern he runs..he might be able to hang with the Pats for a while.
Playing for a coach who is also the GM, on a team expecting to win a Super Bowl..expectations might be a bit different than playing on a team that won 1 game in 2016, playing for a GM who wanted you in Cleveland to prove a point... playing for a HC who was doing his best to work with management, being a bit more tolerant of Britt's behavior and work ethic than he would be, under normal conditions.
Maybe Britt has a lot more in the tank than he showed in Cleveland...we shall see. So...it's an expectations issue? Sounds like coaching to me.
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Bet - If Britt's agent was tweeting about Sashi Brown, that would have meant something to ya'll. But because it's about Hue Jackson, suddenly it's something we shouldn't consider to be relevant for discussion, and should not discuss at all. Why would it mean anything? Sashi is gone. Or do you plan on keeping it alive for years like the Trent Richardson threads on this board? We've discussed this issue today. It will be forgotten tomorrow. Stop being so melodramatic. I do plan on bringing this up for years, however. Just set a reminder on my laptop. You're not going to determine what I can and cannot post about when it comes to on-topic football discussion. Stop trying to moderate discussion.
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If that's your bet... you'd lose. I couldn't care less who he was talking about. It's a butthurt agent's Twitter comment, and should be treated as such (imo). Feel free to talk about it, I just fail to see what there is to talk about.
WSU - He did play fairly well last year, and definitely was a turd here. I'd argue, because he was such a turd, our WR room really isn't all that weaker than before. Add in the fact that he was a turd in the locker room as well as on the field, and that's another argument that our WR room really isn't that much weaker than before.
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britt is now in new england....he has to be happy Britt wanted out of Cleveland. I think we will see a few players want out of Cleveland if Hue stays. Can you name one player, with a link, who wanted out because of Hue Jackson? He clearly said he thinks. I don't think one can provide a link to that. I read today that Britt asked for his release. That leads me to think that at least he wasn't happy. With all the press about being in Hue's dog house, and Britt's agents recent comments, it's fair to assume he wanted out because of Hue. It will be interesting to see how Britt fits in with New England over the new 2 regular season games and playoff run. If he fits in and plays well, to me that indicates there was a problem somewhere. This isn't to bash Hue. Just an attempt to answer as honestly as I can.
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Look, I'm fine with critiquing, especially when a team is this down, but stop trying to twist the facts into what you want them to be. Britt wanted out according to a highly reputable source and, following getting his way, Britt's agent lashed out at Hue Jackson, twice, on social media. Do enlighten as to how I'm twisting facts for speculating that there is a correlation between the two? I think I may have confused you with device on the twisting part. My bad if that's the case.
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They are defending Britt in yet another attempt to make Hue look bad.
They are clearly a minority, but they post a lot. Check out the polls on this board. Most posters don't agree w/their BS!
Britt has been public enemy number one all year and now all of a sudden he was a victim of Hue's ineptitude.
I have a suggestion for the mods. Remember how y'all started the Political Forum? That was a wise decision. Maybe you can start a Trash Hue forum and those half dozen posters can post to their hearts content and stop ruining threads w/all their BS and hate.
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That's true. He said "he thinks," good point. Well, I think that Jimmy Haslam is trying to make this team horrible on purpose to move it to Florida. I don't need justification. It's just what I think.
Again, Britt has time and time showed himself to be a me-first guy who dogs it, and is a cancer. It was a really stupid signing. I'm sure that playing on the Patriots and a winning team will gloss over some of those flaws. Hell, I think Brady has as much to do with that as Belichick. Have you seen some of the "conversations" he's had with receivers when they screw up? The point is, if Britt is all people are hanging their hat on to say the players don't want to play for Hue, that's a huge reach at best.
The fact is, the players are still playing hard, and there is a lot of press about the players supporting Hue. There is a sharp contrast from what happened with McAdoo and a sharp contrast from other coaches who's teams have quit on them. These are facts that are unfortunately being outweighed by speculation.
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I haven't been posting as much in the PF forum as I used to because things had just gotten insane. I typically go through and skim for posters who have typically shown a propensity for good, insightful takes that I want to read, often different from my own.
I've just really felt the need to chime in again lately, but man, I can't believe the onslaught of conjecture.
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I would like to add that Britt played well last year...in a contract year...so did Albert Haynesworth back in the day. It was stupid for us to sign him. IIRC, most people on this board thought it was a bad signing.
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Ian Rapoport reported that Britt was waived at his own request due to realizing that signing with the Browns was not something that was going to work out well for him. I don't think my job is working out well for me. I wonder if they'll let me go and still give me 6 million dollars if I perform like crap.
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I rarely post in the Political forum. It's too one-sided from both sides. Not much middle ground.
But really, a forum like that dedicated to trashing Hue is a great idea. It could be called the "Hate on Hue" forum. The description could be something like: A place to express your hate and disdain for Hue Jackson. Rumors, innuendo, hyperbole, fake news, and flat out lies are encouraged. No Hue supporters allowed.
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I rarely post in the Political forum. It's too one-sided from both sides. Not much middle ground.
But really, a forum like that dedicated to trashing Hue is a great idea. It could be called the "Hate on Hue" forum. The description could be something like: A place to express your hate and disdain for Hue Jackson. Rumors, innuendo, hyperbole, fake news, and flat out lies are encouraged. No Hue supporters allowed. Or one for you complaining about others! 
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Or one for you guys complaining about me.  Let's get real............Kenny Britt is no victim of Hue's inability to coach. That argument is lame and is fueled by the agenda of people who want Hue to be fired. Kenny Britt sucked while he was here. He sucked on the field and he was a distraction off the field. To use the comments from his agent as an indictment against Hue is about as low as it gets. Have a good evening, Vambo.
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Look, I'm fine with critiquing, especially when a team is this down, but stop trying to twist the facts into what you want them to be. Britt wanted out according to a highly reputable source and, following getting his way, Britt's agent lashed out at Hue Jackson, twice, on social media. Do enlighten as to how I'm twisting facts for speculating that there is a correlation between the two? I think I may have confused you with device on the twisting part. My bad if that's the case. No problem. I get where you're coming from. Hue doesn't have a mutiny on his hands, but I think Hue and Britt have clashed a bit. It could be anything, from playing time to Hue simply not being fond of the signing. I do agree with the point, however, that Hue could have trouble if this losing continues. There is only so much losing that can occur before any coach loses the locker room, and the current team has just entered "record losing" territory.
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WSU - He did play fairly well last year, and definitely was a turd here. I'd argue, because he was such a turd, our WR room really isn't all that weaker than before. Add in the fact that he was a turd in the locker room as well as on the field, and that's another argument that our WR room really isn't that much weaker than before. So...Britt played very well under Fisher...with Goff who was awful last year...then Fisher got fired at the end of the year...then Brit was a turd under Hue. Then...Hue got Britt cut and Britt quickly got signed by the reigning Super Bowl Champions. All facts...right? Now...is Britt better than Hazel? I'd say yes to that. Otherwise, BB would have signed Hazel instead of Britt. So the position has been weakened. No?
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No. Not even close.
Britt did not want to be here. He was doing everything he could do get out of here.
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That's true. He said "he thinks," good point. Well, I think that Jimmy Haslam is trying to make this team horrible on purpose to move it to Florida. I don't need justification. It's just what I think.
Again, Britt has time and time showed himself to be a me-first guy who dogs it, and is a cancer. It was a really stupid signing. I'm sure that playing on the Patriots and a winning team will gloss over some of those flaws. Hell, I think Brady has as much to do with that as Belichick. Have you seen some of the "conversations" he's had with receivers when they screw up? The point is, if Britt is all people are hanging their hat on to say the players don't want to play for Hue, that's a huge reach at best.
The fact is, the players are still playing hard, and there is a lot of press about the players supporting Hue. There is a sharp contrast from what happened with McAdoo and a sharp contrast from other coaches who's teams have quit on them. These are facts that are unfortunately being outweighed by speculation. So where in Fla would he move it? I do get your point. Again, I am not bashing Hue. Seriously. Time will tell.
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I honestly thought it was Dorsey wh got rid of Britt... maybe it was Dorsey who finally allowed him to be cut if he didn't want to be here.... he looked like he didn't want to be here from game one... dude sucked... I thought it was going to be a good replacement for Pryor... man wasn't I wrong.... if hues the reason Britt left then buy that man a beer..... I don't care why Britt is gone... just happy he's gone... if he lights it up in NE the only thing that'll prove to me is he's not a professional and is a slacker....
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