DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A John Dorsey-Alex Smith reunion in Cleveland makes a lot of sense

If I remember correctly his mother didn't want him to come here.

most moms don't want their kids playing here.

Unfortunately for the Vikings I don't think any of them are under contract next year. Are they?

No, I believe all 3 are free agents.

I think Bridgewater's free agent is up for dispute (whether is he restricted or unrestricted), but yes, none of the three Vikings QBs have a contract for next season.

5/12. That's 41%. He's also coming off a bad game since I wrote that, so that's now 5/13, so 38%.

For a veteran quarterback, that's not statistical outlier. There is no GM in the league saying, "Alex Smith plays excellent 38% of the time, he's a franchise quarterback."

As I'll continue to say, however, there is a reason he's going to be available. There is a reason they drafted Mahomes. It's not because Alex Smith is an irreplaceable, franchise quarterback. It's because he's an inconsistent quarterback who gets progressively worse as the season continues. 116 passer rating in the first 8 games. 88 passer rating since.

But you're right in the sense that, overall, he's playing good football. That's why I mentioned it's complicated in that he's too good to be a stopgap, but not good enough to be locked down as a franchise quarterback.

That's where I question his fit if we're drafting a QB #1 overall. He won't be that stop gap, but we don't want him as a franchise QB.

Apologies to the other person who responded, I forgot your name, but I do agree with you (Edit - Homewood, apologies). If Dorsey brings him in, I support the decision, I just don't think we do. I'm not against the move, just sceptical of if Alex Smith is willing to accept the role.

Bridgewater said, "I actually told my agent that's not the place I wanted to be."

If the guy is telling his agent he doesn't want to be a Cleveland Brown prior to the draft, screw him.

He's the most overrated possibility for this team. His best season is 17 touchdowns (14 passing) on the year. 12 interceptions and 8 fumbles with it. Comparatively, Kizer currently has 14 touchdowns on the year (9 passing) with 17 interceptions and 8 fumbles.

So, Kizer is slightly less efficient, and Bridgewater did that in year 2 on an absolutely loaded team after coming out of a pro-style offense.

Now he's coming off a major injury that almost ended his career, with a high chance of re-injury if someone hits it again.

I'd pass. I think he's overrated because he's a great guy and the injury has caused people to overlook the flaws in his game. He wasn't a high end quarterback. He was a limited quarterback on a fantastic team.

yea...I'd take a pass on teddy

lol yes it does my man

Stats do not tell the entire story on either Smith or Bridgewater. Yet somehow, you make excuses for Kizer's stats.

I'll tell you where I'm confused. On another thread he was arguing tooth and nail with me that if we got Alex Smith that Dorsey may draft a developmental QB instead of a QB #1 because Smith has two or three good years left in him and could hold down the fort.

On this thread he's saying something completely different about Smith. lmao

Literally not at all what I said, so I'm not shocked you're confused. Let me help.

What I said was that Dorsey might be more willing to take Sam Darnold at #1 rather than Josh Rosen if the Browns sign Alex Smith. Rosen has an edge for being more polished, but if Dorsey knew he had an immediate starting quarterback like Alex Smith, that may influence his decision.

I based this on his decision to trade up for Patrick Mahomes, who was far less polished than Deshaun Watson but would be heading to a situation where he didn't need to start immediately.

So, thanks for (I think willingly) taking my post out of context, I hope what is probably the fourth explanation helps clear up your continual confusion.

On this thread, I've focused on my OWN opinion on Smith rather than the hypothetical scenario in the other thread, in which I only considered that Dorsey likes Smith and he could be an addition to the Browns.

Still confused? Probably. Tools. Shed. Blunt.

You do understand that making this a personal issue is quite unbecoming, right?

The odd thing about your post is firstly, you don't take a QB who you feel is "developmental" if you have a shot at a more proven QB. That goes against common sense.

Secondly, Dorsey was in a situation where his only choice was a developmental QB. Very few if any actually felt that Watson was an "NFL ready" QB. If they had, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did on the draft board.

And I actually agree with you that as the season has worn on, Smith has gotten weaker. That's why I don't value him as highly as some do. Which is also why I don't see your comparison to what Dorsey thought of Smith now the same as he thought of Smith four years ago.

Thirdly, you're trying to compare two situations which are completely different as being close to the same. Dorsey didn't have the choice of any QB he wanted in the draft at KC. He does here. Apples to oranges.

Fourthly, you seem to think that Darnold will be evaluated as more of a developmental QB than Rosen is. See, unlike you, I understand that I don't have all of the resources that an NFL team does. I realize that I'm not as much of an expert at evaluating QB's as people who get paid seven figure salaries are. You on the other hand? Hmmmmm....

When you have the #1 pick in the draft, you draft the best QB available. Not a QB you hope will develop into that. It isn't rocket science. Haslam told him his task. He will take that seriously and draft the best QB in the draft. He won't monkey around with drafting someone he hopes will develop.

Who that QB will be? I don't know. Just because I favor Rosen in the draft really doesn't mean anything. I'm just a poster on a message board. I understand my limitations. Since you too are nothing more than a poster on a message board, you should begin to realize your limitations too?

Because the entire.... Tools. Shed. Blunt thing? Kinda makes you look pretty arrogant for somebody who does nothing but post on a message board. lmao

What is Smiths contract status?

He's a RFA in 2018, UFA in 2019. He can be cut in 2018 with $3.6M in dead cap. If he starts the season, he's owed $2M day 3. They will want to know they're going with Mahommes before they cut him, but if they are they likely will, IMO.

Alex Smith's Contract Details

Thanks Cal.. That sounds like that if the Chiefs feel Mahommes is ready, they'll ask for a boat load of something for Smith. he's done a good job in KC

Pretty edgy post, Pit. Who put a burr up your butt lately?

To be clear, he's not a restricted free agent in 2018. Restricted free agents are players with less than four years of NFL service, but no contract (like Crowell last off-season). Smith is under contract for 2018 with the Chiefs, they can just cut him and save a ton of money.

Thanks for clarifying that, cfrs.

Thank you...

I'm the kind of person who gives what I get. If someone wants to have a discussion, that is a good thing. If someone decides to hurl insults, well that's another matter all together.

Regardless of who it is, I don't see us going into 2018 without a veteran QB.

You've stopped me from talking about quarterbacks Dorsey might be interested in based on precent - Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes and how that could relate to Darnold - In two different threads; because you didn't want to talk about it.
Over in the Kizer thread, you stopped posters from talking about Kizer and posting film; because you didn't want to talk about it.
Over in the Britt thread you stopped people talking about Britt's agent's comments; because you didn't want to talk about it.

And I could go on, and on, and on.

When you don't let anyone actually talk football, don't be shocked when people stop talking football.

Unless Pit has some magic button to stop people from talking football that I'm unaware of, I'm curious how he stopped anybody from talking about anything...

Yeah, it's rich coming from BDU. Disagree w/him and he says "you're on meth." or something about "shed, tool, blunt."

Priceless.

So let me bring this back to football......

Let me suggest. So the optimal situation would be for Dorsey to find a long(er) term starter at QB (Cousins) and to use the draft assets on other positions?

If so, what pick would make sense for #1 & #6?

Deliberate.....

If no QB at #1, trade down a few spots...

I think the days of trading down are over. We need impact players. That is something Sashi never understood.

With that said, I think there are times to trade down. But, I don't think we will trade out of our first couple of picks this year. Then again, I could be dead wrong. Just a feeling because I think Dorsey wants to contend ASAP!

I would seriously doubt Dorsey risks losing his guy by trading out of the spot that guarantees he gets him.

JMHO.

If not a QB (which I believe it is), could Minkah be 'his guy'? I'm not taking him at #1 though...

Definitely QB. How stupid would he look if he lost his franchise guy by skipping him to take a safety? If he does that, I will know there's a conspiracy.

I think Dorsey is going to do everything he can to make us competitive this upcoming year. He'll bring a qb in either in FA or the draft. I think it will be the draft.

Too bad we didn't fire Sashi earlier. We would probably now have Jimmy G and still have a ton of picks.

No way....Jimmy G did not want to come here at all.

How do you know this?

I hear you on this.... I was thinking the same thing. If he wants to be competitive immediately, then bring in a young FA starter. If that is the case (1. A young FA Starter like Cousins. 2. Kizer) is a QB pick at #1 necessary? Picks 1 & 6 should produce 2 all-pro caliber players. That would change this team drastically. The three second round picks would produce 3 immediate starters. I'm posing this as a possibility, as our resources could flip this team quickly.

I don't know exactly what we will do, but I am thinking that we will draft Rosen w/our first pick. He is day one ready.