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Damn. You're right. My bad.

I saw Lamar, Kizer and thought everything but JG.

Glad texans lost.

#RosenFitz2018

Indicitive of certain Brown's fans........not wanting good players so they can get draft picks who suck.

I am praying those days are over w/Dorsey in the fold.

It’s all good man. Everybody is frustrated right now. All we want is a winner.

If he doesn't nail this draft Cleveland may be his last gig.

He's not on our team can't get him so it's not a matter of wanting him but it helps the new GM to draft BETTER players!

You have no faith in your new savoir Dorsey? You don't think he capable of drafting GOOD players?

Damm it ... I forgot about him and didn’t record it ...

Crap ... hopefully i have time to watch it on the quick bits ...

DAMM IT ...

Keep an eye on his teammates reactions to his play if you get a chance to watch it.

I always think that is revealing.

Dude's a winner. SF sucks, but he is 2 and 0 w/him.

Watch out for that team in the future. Lynch is bright. Shanny is the best out there. And they now have a legit qb.

2-3 years down the line and they will be something special.

We already drafted Baker Mayfield?

You can see shanny and lynch picking the best WR on the board come draft time.

Get garrapolo some real weapons to go with Carlos Hyde, and they could make a big jump, at least offensively.

Garrapolo should be a Brown.

One of the reasons Sashi is not here anymore.

Sashi was like the miser who spent his whole life saving only to never spend anything and die with all the money.

Nobody could offer what the Browns could offer. It's inexcusable.

I always liked his skill set, but man, I never realized just how cool he is. He throws an early pick in both games, but it doesn't faze him. He gets pressured, spins out, makes a great throw or he delivers a strike on 3rd and long.

Today, the commentator was saying to run it on 3rd and 8 late in the game and then punt it to pin them deep. Jimmy calls a TO because he doesn't like the call against that D. LOL........it's his second game as a starter in SF. He then delivers a strike that hits a receiver in stride for a huge gain that effectively seals the game.

That stuff is legendary.

I know Diam is a huge SF fan even if he won't admit it, but I wonder if he---or anyone else---sees some similarities to Joe Montana.

I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about physical characteristics. Accuracy. Command. Coolness. Mobility. Clutch throws.

He's got a long way to go to be like Joe and will almost certainly won't reach those heights, but I am not kidding, I do see a lot of similarities.

The three coolest QBs in the pocket are:

Brady
Wentz
Garrapolo

Those 3 guys stand around as if nothing is going on around them.

And all three of them could have been Browns.

Ouch.

I only saw little bits of the game ... but it made me more upset that we didn't do enough to snag him. A damn shame.

Just curious what exactly was the offer the Browns made for him? How many different offers did they present for him?

I missed all the facts to those negotiations please fill me in with the facts.

Thank you.

None us know the exact offer. Do you?

There is only one thing that is obvious............it wasn't enough to get the deal done.

Then again, you were one of the geniuses who didn't want JG. Good call, man.

The only "facts" I know is that Hue wanted him (it's been reported that way which is why fact is in "").

I know that he ended up with the 49ers and not the Browns.

I know the Pats wanted a viable back up without JG in place - and so Hoyer was a very instrumental part of the process.

I don't know if the Browns offered anything.

But watching JG makes me upset we didn't do enough to sign him. . . . would you prefer JG to be on the Browns or on the 49ers? Forget about whether it was possible/probable or what the cost might or might not have been - do you think we'd be a better team with JG at QB?

What could they have offered that NE wanted that beat what SF had to offer?

Could it be no matter what Browns offer NE would have turned it down?

I am having a hard time believing that Hoyer was what made the deal. Mostly because he wasn't actually part of the deal. He was released then signed as a free agent by NE. Sure, maybe NE wanted him. Perhaps there was even a verbal agreement that Hoyer would be released. But there was no guarantee that he would sign with NE. If Hoyer gets released a couple days later, perhaps he signs with the Texans to be their starter. Just too big a risk for NE to take if Hoyer was indeed a key component of the trade.

The Texans? Why would the Texans want him back?

You ignored my question, and then ask me a question instead??!!!! That's bogus.

And no, based on what San Francisco gave up for Jimmy Garoppolo, it's absolutely impossible that we could not offer enough to get him if we've been negotiating with NE.

Sorry... http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21230...9ers-draft-pick

The 49ers have also decided to release veteran quarterback Brian Hoyer, a source told Schefter. Hoyer's release has not officially been announced. Once released by the Niners, Hoyer is expected to sign with the Patriots, barring an unexpected turn, a source told ESPN's Mike Reiss.

That's the key "IF"... NE reportedly told the Browns JG was not going to be traded, now if your NE and you know the Browns have the most to offer why didn't they include the Browns when they were talking trade to SF?

This trade was right before it was determined that Watson was going to need surgery. Would the Texans rather have gone with Tom Savage or bring in Hoyer?

I don't get the point. I said this may have been expected. But in no way was it guaranteed. Your quote even points that out barring an unexpected turn. If Hoyer was as critical a component of the trade as people are trying to make out, why would they risk it?

j/c:

I think Sashi's inability to trade for JG despite Hue's yearning for the former could be a big reason why Sashi is now unemployed.

Ian Rapoport
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@RapSheet

The #49ers originally included QB Brian Hoyer in the trade to the #Patriots but he was taken out for comp. pick reasons. Now released.
8:28 PM - Oct 30, 2017


http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/10...iots-backup-qb/

You don't say anything new. I am acknowledging that there was likely something implicit. What I am saying (over and over again - sorry to those of you that get it) is that if Hoyer going to NE was so critical that the Patriots wouldn't even negotiate with anyone else, why would they risk him signing with someone else?

I could care less about Garoppolo at this point, I'm just glad he beat the Texans.

Basically it wasn't a risk.

Another Q and post you ignored. Little point in having a conversation with you is there?

I have no idea what you r point is. I know what was reported.

It was also reported that NE told every team including the 49ers that JG was not going to be traded. BUT - the 49ers kept in touch, kept working at it .... and they ended up getting him. Hence - I wish we had done more to snag him. It's not difficult. It's also not possible to go back and change - so I'll move on from this pointless conversation while sticking to my comment and lament that I wish the Browns had done more to get him.

Great

Appreciate your thoughtful and football themed response.

Don't care about JG he is gone no point going in circles you have made up your mind about what happened with little to no facts so have at it.

Sorry - you're the only one going round in circles and not actually saying anything. JG is not here - we can move on. Agreed.

Patriots wanted to 'do right' by Jimmy Garoppolo, so they didn't trade him to Browns

Frank Schwab
Shutdown CornerDec 15, 2017, 9:53 AM

https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-wanted-right-jimmy-garoppolo-didnt-trade-browns-145348406.html

The part of the New England Patriots’ trade of Jimmy Garoppolo to the San Francisco 49ers that never made sense is the return. It seemed the Patriots could have gotten more. And it seemed weird the Cleveland Browns didn’t offer more to land him.

The 49ers acquired Garoppolo for a second-round pick. If you make Garoppolo eligible for the 2018 draft, he would be picked long before the second round started. And at the same time, the Browns were reportedly trying to trade a second- and third-round pick for AJ McCarron, who most people probably wouldn’t choose over Garoppolo. It doesn’t add up.

An interview from ESPN’s Adam Schefter offered one theory: The Patriots apparently didn’t want to send him to Cleveland, where quarterbacks’ careers die. Schefter said once the Patriots figured out a couple days before the deadline they had to trade Garoppolo (I’m not sure why it took that long; the writing was on the wall for a long time), they reached out to the 49ers even though the Browns had tried “over and over” in the spring to get Garoppolo and tried again in the fall but got nowhere.

“In this particular case, New England came to the realization before it made any calls, ‘Ok, unfortunately for us, as much as we want to keep Jimmy Garoppolo, we can’t,’ ” Schefter said on the “Murph & Mac” show on KNBR (h/t to 49ers Web Zone). “‘We have to trade him, and we’ve got to trade him here in the next two days. Where do we want to trade him? I like John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan. I think they’re going to do right by Jimmy G. Let’s call them.”

Schefter said the Patriots called the 49ers to pitch the trade and it took five minutes to get it done, which makes sense because the 49ers got a steal. San Francisco had to be shocked it fell in its lap like that. Schefter said he thinks the Patriots reached out to the 49ers because of Bill Belichick’s respect for Garoppolo, and his respect for 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan and their GM John Lynch.

And if that’s all true, the cold-hearted, bottom-line-only Patriots took less from the 49ers (if the Browns were going to trade a second and third for McCarron, you have to imagine they’d have done the same or more for Garoppolo), just to save Garoppolo from having to go to the Browns. Ouch.

There’s some speculation involved from Schefter so this shouldn’t be taken as absolute fact, but Schefter is plugged in and if that’s all true, the Patriots getting a relatively short return on Garoppolo then makes sense. Also, if it’s true, can you imagine the reaction in the Browns’ front office when news of the trade broke?

The Browns are in a good spot to get their quarterback. They’re going to get the first pick of next year’s draft with some intriguing prospects in the class. They fired old GM Sashi Brown and hired John Dorsey, who should be able to turn the picks Brown stockpiled into good players (now that we hear this Garoppolo story from Schefter, did the circumstances of the Garoppolo non-trade lead to owner Jimmy Haslam firing Brown?). The Browns didn’t land Garoppolo, but it could end up being fine. Maybe, if Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold or whoever the Browns choose is a superstar, maybe Cleveland is even better off for not landing Garoppolo.

But the whole story is a glimpse into how low Cleveland has sunk.

They saved Garoppolo from Cleveland.
They sent him to a team that could "send back" a QB they liked and were familiar with.
They traded Garoppolo to a team not in the AFC.

There was little chance, at all, he would ever be coming here.

We did our best to get JG. He didn't want to come here and the Pats obliged him. I can't blame him for the way he felt. The way things have been run here I can't blame anyone for not wanting to come here. We have only ourselves to blame for where we are. We've EARNED it with our ineptness.