Actually he ran zone last year about 65% of the time with the Rams as well. I don't mind him running zone if that's his scheme, but the claim that he runs it more here than other places isn't accurate.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
Doesn't seem to play it well as a scheme. Your vanilla D is a no-press, softy zone prevent. Corners concede first downs when they line up about 10 yards deep. Safety is on the horizon in another zip code or Canadian border. I wonder why he gets a pass off credit. His secondary as coached and started and played are getting toasted in the second half.
Hue should be able to change that mix more. If we press too hard, what may happen.
We lose. Oh,gasp, no. Change this ludicrous mix.
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There’s alot of things hes doing that dont make sense ... lets just start with ...
- he plays at least one safety 30 or so yards off the LOS .. - the db’s give big cushions ... - then he blitzes all the time ... EVEN THOUGH its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it don’t work ... yet he continues to do it week after week, play after play ....
What world does that make sense in? ... u have to blitz sometime .... but good lord ... we blitz a TON ... and it HARDLY EVER WORKS ... the definition of insanity fits to a T right here .... its not very good coaching either ... i’m Not sure what his plan is ...
With all the injuries to the front 7 on D it makes playing your safety in another zip code even more baffling ...
I dont see how this guys done a good job ... his schemes don’t make sense ...
If hes still here ... lets hope for a huge jump in year 2 ... we need MG to stay healthy .... thats huge ...
I've never been a Gregg Williams fan and have said so repeatedly, even when I was chastised for saying so.
However, considering we don't have one safety who is even competent in coverage, we cut our best corner, our remaining corners are not doing a very good job [although McCourty has played good at times,] and our pass rush from our DL is almost non-existant.............what do you expect?
You guys place way too much blame and give way too much credit to coaching staffs. This is the NFL. Not high school where you can get a significant edge in coaching.
All this negative talk about coaches is not productive. Firing our coaching staff will do nothing but set this franchise back. I really hope you aren't aligning yourself w/the half dozen posters like Dep, device, WSU, cfrs, Memphis, and 32. That would not be smart.
Doesn't seem to play it well as a scheme. Your vanilla D is a no-press, softy zone prevent. Corners concede first downs when they line up about 10 yards deep. Safety is on the horizon in another zip code or Canadian border. I wonder why he gets a pass off credit. His secondary as coached and started and played are getting toasted in the second half.
Hue should be able to change that mix more. If we press too hard, what may happen.
We lose. Oh,gasp, no. Change this ludicrous mix.
Go ahead and put our corners in press and Peppers 15 yards off the line. What happens when one of our great corners gets beat off the line in press coverage? Bye. Opposing receivers already have tons of separation do you think press will make that better? Williams scheme is doing it's best to cover our weaknesses. Peppers was a horrible pick another box safety we didn't need, I think Kindred is better in the box anyway. Imagine had we taken Hooker and still had Joe, a much different story then. Sashi was clueless, leaving Hue with a QB room of Kizer, Kesler and Hogan was unforgivable. Should have at least kept McCown or even Oswieler.
I’m in support of the coaching staff for 2018, but as a whole, including our new GM, I’m concerned with some of the rhetoric we’re hearing.
I don’t understand tossing players as a whole under the bus. While Britt was completely understandable because he was a dirtbag, the other comments are hard to justify.
I get that Williams is frustrated with the secondary, but those guys have played their asses off and they don’t deserve to be trashed like that. Our starting safeties are young, Kindred only being in his second year. Peppers is a rookie playing out of position. BBC is a second year guy.
McCourty has played well. But the biggest concern is Taylor. He needs to go, and we need an FS. But for Williams to essentially toss them under the bus is him deflecting blame.
So again, while I’m in general support of the coaching staff and Dorsey, 2018 better be a massive jump from this year. Because there will be nobody to pass the buck to anymore.
They got rid of Sashi. They blamed the players for this year.
We better be in the hunt for a wildcard birth toward the end of the season next year, or 6 wins and some close losses, or Hue and Williams need to go.
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There’s alot of things hes doing that dont make sense ... lets just start with ...
- he plays at least one safety 30 or so yards off the LOS .. - the db’s give big cushions ... - then he blitzes all the time ... EVEN THOUGH its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt it don’t work ... yet he continues to do it week after week, play after play ....
What world does that make sense in? ... u have to blitz sometime .... but good lord ... we blitz a TON ... and it HARDLY EVER WORKS ... the definition of insanity fits to a T right here .... its not very good coaching either ... i’m Not sure what his plan is ...
With all the injuries to the front 7 on D it makes playing your safety in another zip code even more baffling ...
I dont see how this guys done a good job ... his schemes don’t make sense ...
If hes still here ... lets hope for a huge jump in year 2 ... we need MG to stay healthy .... thats huge ...
What do you make of this FS sooooooo far back and CBs so far off the LOS?
Williams touched on it yesterday. I guess we're #1 in the NFL in QB Release Time. He sees blitzing and pressure as components of those get the ball out quick Stats Are For? Lol.
Ok. We've got a blatantly obvious weakness on Defense. It's the entire Secondary.
Williams can TALK all he wants, but Peppers is at FS because we have nothing better at the moment.
MY question is this. When we attack the Secondary this Spring, will he bring Peppers into the Box, get our new FS closer to the LOS, and bring the CBs in tighter?
MY OPINION is he WILL. But we need a few KEY additions.
We need to get Wilson into the fold. We need to go heavily after a Top 2 CB in FA much as we went hard after Jefferson and Bouye last year and missed. We need ANOTHER CB in the Top 35-40. And we need to TARGET Minkah-Fitzpatrick with Houston's pick.
Get the back end solidified and we might just see Williams be LESS blitz happy.
Right now he justifiably doesn't trust our Corners or FS.
I know very little about defense, x's and o's, etc ... just a few things that I'd like to know:
1. Why so much cushion on WRs 2. Why so much blitzing when it hasn't worked all year 3. Why so much distance between the S and the LOS
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I don't understand all the hate Williams is getting. We have a less talented secondary than last year, Ogbah and Collins our two best defensive players are out for the season and still our defense is much improved from last year.
wish this immature stuff will stop and lets stick to the subject at hand.
I still remember the days that pure football was just that and none of this crapola was allowed...take it to the tailgate or other forums.
Back to Gregg Williams.
Actually I thought he's done a great job.
If you all cannot see the improvement of our defense from last year to this year I have to wonder about you all. I get it we are 0 for and its frustrating as heck.
But the fact is our D is way better than are last couple of years. We have done a good job stopping the run. And we have been keeping the team in games all year with the D.
Yes, there were a couple, less than a handful that the D just broke down throughout.
Yes, we don't finish well but is that on the O more than the D???
Why do we blitz? Cause we have not been able to put pressure on the QB with just 4 and we have been facing a lot of elusive QBs who can get out of danger pretty easily.
We blitz cause the lack of pressure with us PLAYING Zone and we all know that our DBs are not our strong suit, with NFL QBs not the ones who play for us...but actual NFL QBs if they sit there without pressure and us in zone they will tear us apart, there is not one REAL NFL QB who won't salivate for that scenario.
So we got to blitz.
I think the one thing GW is sort of upset about was the release of Haden...I think he was not taken into account for that deal and was expecting a true man CB out of him.
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Releasing Haden was possibly the most ignorant move Sashi made. I could better understand a trade for a pick or anything but just cutting him outright when we have tons of cap space? Was it just a bull headed power move because Haden wouldn't take less money? And how quickly a championship team jumped on him! SMH.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
We are undermanned in the secondary. Our corners aren't all that great and we have no free safety. That is why he is playing Peppers or whoever 25 yards deep. He wants to prevent the easy fast score. Make them work another play. Another play is another chance for a turnover.
Shore up the secondary and we have a top 10 D.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
For the first time in many moons the Browns have been successful in stopping the rush.
At the same time the secondary has not been good. River's exposed just how bad.
#21 Taylor although he has some coverage skills; he may be the worst tackler I have seen. He not only doesn't get into a tackling position; often he shies away from any contact.
I expected more from Garrett. I know what dominate looks like. He has not been that. He shows up now and then.
Outside linebacker has been a problem. We lack a linebacker who has coverage skills. Drag routes and seam routes; we get torched.
The defense is fixable. We need a corner and a coverage safety. Hopefully the pass rush will improve as Garrett, Ogbah, improve.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
injury-prone
True he has been, but he had surgery in the offseason to help that. This one was a contact injury.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
injury-prone
True he has been, but he had surgery in the offseason to help that. This one was a contact injury.
And he's injured now since the Colts game that's the knock Williams had with him. "I liked him when he was coming out,'' Williams told 92.3 The Fan from the Senior Bowl on Thursday. "The one thing that's also genetics is injury-prone.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
injury-prone
True he has been, but he had surgery in the offseason to help that. This one was a contact injury.
And he's injured now since the Colts game that's the knock Williams had with him. "I liked him when he was coming out,'' Williams told 92.3 The Fan from the Senior Bowl on Thursday. "The one thing that's also genetics is injury-prone.
mith-Schuster popped up on the injury report as a limited participant in practice on Thursday and was limited again on Friday before being listed as questionable.
That’s also the listing for cornerback Joe Haden, who has not played since fracturing his fibula in a game against the Colts a little more than a month ago.
What does an injury have to do with a poor roster move? Garrett has missed time. Ogbah and Collins out for the season, should they also be cut? I understand Joe isn't the Joe of a few years ago but he is better than anything we have and that trade made this football team worse off.
injury-prone
True he has been, but he had surgery in the offseason to help that. This one was a contact injury.
And he's injured now since the Colts game that's the knock Williams had with him. "I liked him when he was coming out,'' Williams told 92.3 The Fan from the Senior Bowl on Thursday. "The one thing that's also genetics is injury-prone.
Ummm, folks do remember that when he was let go he was playing - AT BEST - as our 4th CB, right? He was not good, at all, here for the last year-plus and especially in 2017.
A team in as dire need of players in the secondary as we are and he likely was not going to be starting. On top of that, he has not finished a season since he got paid.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I disagree that he was playing like our 4th cb. He was listed number one on the depth chart.
Now, I believe that posters kept claiming he was the 3rd or 4th cb in order to justify Sashi cutting him and you may have read their posts.
Also, The Steelers are the number one seed in the AFC and picked him up in a heartbeat. I know a lot of Steeler fans, including some family members, and they were raving about Haden. Their D has really missed him. And the Steeler fans are really anxious to get him back.
It was a bad move by Sashi to cut Haden and I think it was one of the biggest factors that added to the divide between he and the coaching staff.
I disagree that he was playing like our 4th cb. He was listed number one on the depth chart.
Now, I believe that posters kept claiming he was the 3rd or 4th cb in order to justify Sashi cutting him and you may have read their posts.
Also, The Steelers are the number one seed in the AFC and picked him up in a heartbeat. I know a lot of Steeler fans, including some family members, and they were raving about Haden. Their D has really missed him. And the Steeler fans are really anxious to get him back.
It was a bad move by Sashi to cut Haden and I think it was one of the biggest factors that added to the divide between he and the coaching staff.
Wow just like the Patriots picked up Kenny Britt in a heartbeat...so does that mean it was a bad move by Dorsey?
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