DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum So, let's say YOU are the Browns head coach.....

Given the current players on the roster, what offense do you run?

The same one we are running.

boy, i'm not smart enough. One thing I would TRY to do more is use a moving pocket with Kizer ... much like Shanny did with Hoyer. I'd like to see us keep defenses off balance more effectively (of course, that means you'd actually have to, you know, run the ball?)

Lol! Should have anticipated that answer..

Same one we are running like Vers indicated. I would throw out a few loser plays that have done little. I run over the middle with patterns, and I get an OC to plan better.

Need to replace Kizer perhaps. Just cannot win.

What exactly was funny about my response?

I think I would go wth a 2-back/2 WR/ 1 TE set. Seems to me it would allow you to keep your best weapons on the field more. Gordon/Coleman, Duke/Crow, Njoku/DeValve.

The ongoing debate we have regarding offensive schemes made it funny to me. Not in any antagonistic way, just struck me that way. It actually made me laugh in a good way.

I am a bit reluctant to trash your opinion because it is just an opinion, but you laughed at me and you have been trashing Hue...........so, I will try for a balance here.

Do you really think that any team would just run one set? You talk about a 2-back--2 WR--1 TE set. On every down? LOL

Look man, none of us has a even a fraction of the knowledge that Hue has in regards to scheme.

Just stop. Please.

Well, there's no reason to get all hepped up. i asked a simple question, you gave a pithy answer, and it struck me as humorous. Nothing more.

I am not "hepped up. Hell, I don;t even know what that means. I guess.......upset? I was just responding honestly.

I would try to run something similar to Chicago.

Chicago appears to be afraid to let Trubisky pass the ball. Only safe passes allowed. They run the ball a lot. Cut the field in half. Hope your defense can keep you in it.

It appears they don't believe Trubisky is quite ready. We have seen that Kizer is not quite ready.

I think Hue just feels this immense pressure to win a game and is hoping for lightning in a bottle with Kizer. He's asking him to do more than he's capable of. I also believe that Hue expects Kizer to execute simple concepts that he also fails at. So it's not all on Hue. But if you could start the year over, I would start really slow with Kizer. Lots of roll outs. Cut the field in half. Force feed the run. Then add incrementally as the year goes on.

At this point, I think we are far past the point of expecting to Kizer to improve without some serious time off. Stepping away and decompressing sometimes does wonders.

If I'm the Browns head coach I hire an OC to run my offense,,,,

There was nothing neagtive intended from my end.

I completely disagree w/that take. I am not saying you are whacked, but man, I completely disagree.

I like that we are asking Kizer to prove whether or not he can make the throws. We did not draft him second overall. We drafted him at 52.

See what he has. Put him in the fire.

And btw..........Trub sucks ass. Thank God Sashi did not draft him at number one. He looks like little boy lost out there. They baby his ass and he still sucks. I gotta give Sashi credit on that one.

I can see both sides honestly. Take it slow or put the guy directly in the fire. Personally, I'm more of a put the guy directly in the fire person because I just feel it speeds up the learning curve. But having the benefit of hindsight after 14 games, I would probably change the strategy if I had to do it over again.

I kind of agree with you on Trubisky but I'm reluctant to pass judgment today after the turnaround that Goff and Wentz experienced this year. But if you're a body language guy, man he doesn't look confident at all.

Good post, but I don't think Wentz played as bad as many said he did last year. I also think like Trub looks like a little boy out there. Very glad we did not draft him.

The only problem with that approach is that if the guy wilts under the pressure it could cost you your job. Literally. They say the NFL is a cruel business.

I'd start by not calling plays like this...

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/942495824298340352

Edromeo, you're my X's & O's guy, can you try explain to me what in the world Hue Hackson was thinking on this one?

I've watched this play so many times and cannot for the life of me figure of what Hackson actually thought was going to happen.

If you watch the play, it was obviously a lack of execution the routes.

81 and 87 look like they thought it was a run and are blocking and Gordon ran a 2 yd route on 3rd and 5.

We run an offense?

You mean right now week 14?

First I would fully commit to running the ball....but my run focus would be from spread. I would definitely spread to run the ball.

A 3 wide 'base' offense. My personnel grouping of choice: 3 wide w/ Njoku as my slot and DeValve at TE and Duke at RB.

Goal would be to exploit the natural match-up advantages of key personnel: Njoku-too big for Safeties too fast for LBs
Duke-cannot be covered by a LB

I would force defenses to respect the threat of Kizer as a runner. Call actual read-option plays at least 6-8 times a game. But also have called runs that look like read-option.
Would also add more Run-Pass option plays.

One of my main pet peeves is when team can't execute screen passes. I would hammer it home in practice that we will execute screen plays because they work. If my WR can't block in the screen game....well it wouldn't be good for them. We would be a better screen team PERIOD.

I would tone down some of the low efficiency downfield vertical concepts in favor of some higher efficiency plays (read-options, RPOs etc).

I would use more play-action.

I would script out more then 15 plays and my 'openers' would have something designed for to specifically gets touches to Coleman, Gordon, DeValve.

Some of my overall goals would be:

-higher efficiency...safer offense to cut down on the turnovers

-increase time of possession

-don't put the burden my rookie QB (that probably wouldn't be starting IF the personnel dept had secured a viable veteran) to carry the offense/to be a hero and simultaneously the possible ruin him and/or his perception

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Are you still claiming you don't want Hue fired? LOL

We run a very good offense that has been successful in other places. It's too bad we don't have enough talent to run it due the dumb ass plan that Sashi concocted.

We didn't RUN at all yesterday. 12 total carries by the running backs. Crow had only 5 carries for 74 yards

I see a lot of posts about how we don't run the ball enough.

Did you guys know that we are 16th in rushing? We have more rushing yards than teams like Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Seattle, Green Bay, etc.

We are also trailing in almost every game. That lends itself to having to throw the ball more and more as the game progresses.

We also have it directly from one of our players, Bitonio, that teams are putting an extra man in the box to stop the run.

I get that most of you want to bash Hue and pile on as if he is the only problem, but the reality of the situation tells me a different story.

Passing on 3rd and 2 inside the 3....And not going for a TD on 4th and goal was lame. Who cares if they didn't get get a score here. And the Ravens would be pinned to the goal line. Hue needs to think it out a bit more with a 0-14 team and create a spark in these late season games.

I honestly think our offense has the talent, except at QB. Adding Gordon back helped a ton and I would still draft a WR early, but if teams felt threatened at all by Kizer, our offense might not be bad at all. I don't love Hue, but I think our offense would be good with a decent QB (as would most teams').

Didn't Baltimore do the same thing? Heck, do you think the designed run w/Flacco was a great call? LOL

Hue's calls get scrutinized more because we are losing. Again, we are 16th in the entire league in rushing. That stat wouldn't happen if we never ran the ball.

We are 17th in yards with 1,536 but 26th in Attempts with 24.1 but those numbers are skewed as Kizer runs the ball a lot. Our RBs only average 18.2 attempts a game and have run for a total of 1,105 yds or 78.9 yds a game.

Hue is too lazy to get creative with the running game. Too much on his plate. It was nice to see that sweet TD shovel pitch to Duke inside the 5 last week. That was shocking.

Did you know we average more yards per carry than 28 other NFL teams yet we run the ball less than 25 of them?

I always try to play devil's advocate... the first thing I thought when I read your post was "yeah, but with all the 3 and outs, and short offensive possessions, we probably are near the bottom in total plays on offensive." (Skewing your stat of so few attempts)

Nope. Right in the middle of the pack at 15. Yours IS a glaring stat.

Fun with numbers:
Kizer is 4th in the league rushing by QB. I can't go play by play, but I would guess that most of his yards (and attempts) come on broken plays... take his yards down to the median and back out his (much better than team average) yards per carry...

25th in the league in rushing yards
12th in YPA
DEAD LAST in attempts

So yes, we don't run the ball nearly enough, but our success rate is skewed by a QB who is 4th in the league in rushing (mostly due to his inability to play the position) and who's YPA is nearly a full yard higher than the rest of the team.

Did you know we are almost always behind in games?

Did you know that firing our coaching staffs has never worked?

1st off you have never ever heard me once say fire Hue, didn't happen one single time. I have always been for keeping Hue and the front office till the end of the 2018 season before we did anything. Go ahead and do a search you will see I am right.

I do not think we have stuck with the run enough last year or this year. Just because I disagree with Hue does not mean I want him fired.

Now as far as being behing in games.... if we are down 3 points, 7 points, or 10 points why in the hell would we give up on the run game and switch to the passing game which has sucked donkey (private parts) for two years? Stick with what is working (the run game) to get us back in the game.

It was weird that Hue benched Crow after his dominant run. Very telling, imho.

That's only because they're busy dropping back to make another interception.

Dropping back to get another interception because they know Hue Jackson won't run the ball...

That was the inference.