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Didn't they say that Crow had 2 after his long one?

I don't know but happy birthday!

I didn't get to see this game, but it sounds like I didn't miss much.

Between the turnovers and poor passing, I'm going to go out on a limb and state as fact that if we had a real QB, we'd have had at leas 5 wins this year.

We are -9 in turnovers to the Ravens alone this year, and almost every one of those is attributable to the QB. NOBODY can consistently win games like this. Add in tons of poorly thrown balls, or simply missing opportunities, and I think that it is pretty easy to see that this position is holding us back. Hell, we've seen that this offense can move the ball on the rare day when Kizer actually executes his position.... unfortunately, that is pretty damned rare.

He will still have a career in the NFL, but he needs to sit for a few years. The rest of the time that he is a Brown, however, he needs to be the backup.

We have a Kizer problem. I usually do not blame refs or the QB for losses, but this kid is a turnover factory. This idea of it is on me and go do it the following week is insult to injury.
'Execute his position' is a good way to put it. IN NE it is "Do your job."

Kizer has yet to do it well enough to win. Don't want to watch this again. I have not seen much change to get a win. The defensive scheme is dropping rushers into coverage when we can't get sacks. Shelton? Really? Again this proclivity for fooling somebody; I don't remember seeing it pan gold. Getting better seldom starts with getting more complicated and more exotic. Argument is valid IMO: If your guys can't be effective in executing basic stuff, then going with something exotic has almost zero chance of working.

Get Williams to do some things differently. Yesterday looked like Horton ball. The CB scheme sucks. But Kizer is crippling us.

Thanks bro!

https://twitter.com/dan_labbe/status/942789770111004672

From former NFL All-Pro linebacker Keith Bulluck:



https://twitter.com/kbull53/status/942800455402434561

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I agree with most of this..

I've been in Hue's corner this whole time, but I can't defend the guy right now.

It's not all on him. There is a ton of blame to go around. When you're 1 and whatever in the last two years, it takes more than one person to get you to that point.

But I haven't seen any development in Kizer, that's on Jackson. We were sold on him being good with QB's when he came over from Cincinnati. Kizer's accuracy is obviously horrible, but I do think there is potential for some growth, and we haven't seen hardly any. ThaT's not good enough.

I know Jimmy doesn' want to be the guy who fires the coach every two years, but I don't think anyone can hold it against him if he just lets Hue go, and allows Dorsey to bring in someone who can coach the team.

I'd feel a lot better moving forward. GM with GM experience. He brings in his guy. They have an entire array of draft picks and flexibility with the cap.

I just don't know how you can bring Hue Jackson back, and tell your season ticket holders, corporate sponsors, and general fan base that things are going to get better. How?

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/942810017127960578

(Click the link for the video.)

Always wondered about your resume, you definitely know the game well and I've learned a lot reading your posts.

You obviously like Hue and I agree that he gets a bad rap because of the record. My question is what would you do differently than Hue to give a young QB a fighting chance on a team lagging in the talent department? Do you "dumb down" the playbook or is the risk of predictability to high? Do you run the ball more to try to limit the downside of his shortcomings? Only five teams in the league have thrown the ball more than the Browns... When I watch a game like yesterday, it's hard to swallow the fact that we had ZERO commitment to the running game after a scoring drive that consisted of all runs! What gives?

Browns passing percentage ranks:

This year - 6th
Last year - 4th

BENGALS with Hue:

2015: 26th
2014: 28th

What am I missing?

I start to wonder if it's even possible to develop a QB on a below average team unless he is a marginal superstar... and that has me severely worried for next year. I know hindsight is always 20-20, but I think we've neglected to focus enough on running the ball and wonder what the heck happens next year when we add yet another name to the back of the infamous QB jersey and it's "bombs away!".

"What's the plan man?" What would you do differently next year with a new rookie taking snaps?

(after reading everything I typed, I know it's a bit beyond the scope of this thread, my apologies)

I take the best QB available.
I add a great veteran QB to mentor.
I find them two WRs that catch, one vet one rook.

Later rounds I get a corner and a FA safety.

Draft some Buckeyes.

I would love to have Denzel Ward.

Anybody else think that Gordon's level of interest and effort was somewhat lacking yesterday? I hesitate to say that when speaking of Gordon because he is so fluid that it always looks like he's not expending much effort, but his affect, body language, and lackluster play reminded me of when he came back from suspension at the end of 2014.

Do you think this game was better than the first season game? I think we are worse in some ways. It is headed the wrong way. Kizer starts; think I may look for something else to do.

Hue must be deluded. Insist on another loss. Mister Kizer may not be the team leader he talks about being. Just hard to listen to him carry on when I see some of the bonehead plays and the epic second half fails we have strung together. Play him for the first half and swap.
We might have a shot. Especially if our defense played.

Thank you. That was a nice thing to say.




I don't know how much I really like Hue. Heck, I got blasted by many posters when Hue first got here because I questioned his QB evaluations. Do a search...I even started a thread on it.

I've defended him a lot for a few reasons:

1. I predicted he would get blamed when I saw how stupid our plan was. You simply can't lose this many games w/out blame being assigned.

2. Too many people blaming him for things out of his control.

3. He is a competent coach and I think if we fire him, we will only be setting ourselves further back.

Regarding the running game. We are 16th in rushing. That is middle of the pack, so it's not like we don't run. We also have it on good authority [Bitonio] that teams put an extra man in the box to stop the run. Furthermore, we are often trailing in games and have to pass.

I think we came out running yesterday. Right? I do think that Hue should have run Crow more. I disagreed w/him there. Is that enough to fire him? LOL...no.



I am not going to pretend to be smarter than our coaches. LOL.........

I do think that if we get a qb like Rosen [who is very accurate and makes good reads] that we will burn teams in the passing game and that our running game will open up and we will run the ball a lot more. I am preaching patience.




Don't apologize. You made a very good football post that far exceeds most of the crap on here. You asked legit questions and made some very good points and you made good use of stats. I'm impressed. Keep posting. We're likely to disagree at times, but that's cool. Debate is good. If we can keep it respectful, others can learn. And believe me, there are a lot of people who read, but don't post. They appreciate being educated.

As good as it seemed that the defense played....
As soon as we took the lead, Baltimore carved them up with ease. This has happened all year.
Same song same dance. I don't have a clue what Williams is doing!!!!

My problem is that we are not winning games. So.....
Why will he not adjust his defense on third downs or when the game is tight. It has been evident all season that when the Browns need a stop they can not get off the field. They get very little pressure on opposing QB's and TE's have dominated us all year long.

I have seen some people discuss this but no where near the amount of people that bash Hue.

Kizer is BAAAAAAAAAAD. The decision to start him from day 1 can not be overlooked. I would say 97% of the people on this forum agree with this.
How does Hue continue to have him throw the ball all day long????????
Our running game is middle of the pack, imagine if for one game we were to commit to the run????????

My problem with this team is not the losses, it is the fact that the coaches refuse to make adjustments and this continues to result in losses.

I think Hue and Williams are quality coaches in the right situations, it is evident that this situation does not suit them. Who would be the right fit??? that person might not exist, which is as frustrating as watching the games on Sunday.

Bottom line, The QB situation is at the top of the blame game! Sashi is not alone in fault here. Weeden, Quinn, Johnny FB, McCoy and so on. Hopefully Dorsey can fix this mess but our coaches need to step up if they are to return next season!

I think the Green Bay game gave us glimpses of what could be. I saw drastic improvement across the board for most of the game. We just haven't the talent or maturity as a team yet to finish. That will come, IMO.

That one goal line stance by the Browns in the first half was GREAT. Loved it. Everyone got pumped up.

(Little victories in losses.)

Browns attendance reaches lowest point in 20+ years
Posted 3:38 pm, December 19, 2017, by Jen Steer

http://fox8.com/2017/12/19/browns-attendance-reaches-lowest-point-in-20-years/

On.
The.
Freakking.
Floor.

lol