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I guess a good QB can overcome less talent when he truly has "IT" had Garoppolo come here we would be winning now, I saw enough today to convince me. We don't have a QB with "IT" at least not yet so we need to pick smart at #1 in April ...
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I guess a good QB can overcome less talent when he truly has "IT" had Garoppolo come here we would be winning now, I saw enough today to convince me. We don't have a QB with "IT" at least not yet so we need to pick smart at #1 in April ... I think Garoppolo has shown 100% more of the "IT" factor in 3 games than Kizer has all year.
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You got no argument here the trouble is Garoppolo is water under the bridge here in Cleveland ...
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Vers, Tom Brady must have rubbed off on him!!! Not really. He is playing the same way he did in college. He takes no name WRs and makes them look like superstars with perfectly placed balls and inspires his guys to lay it all out to catch what he throws. I will grant you that he is like Tom in that they both can use a bunch of nobody's and just make those wins happen.
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He reminds me way more of Montana than Brady.
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381 yards, TD, no picks.
8.9 yard average. Pretty damn good day
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Dude is freaking awesome.
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Let this thread die please. It's too freaking painful. I mean that.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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I don't think it should die. It shows how stupid Sashi was and why we won't miss him.
On the other hand, I do get what you are saying and I don't think you are saying it in a malicious way. And I even get your point.
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And to think people laughed at me when I said we should make him one of our first round picks that year.
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I don't think it should die. It shows how stupid Sashi was and why we won't miss him.
On the other hand, I do get what you are saying and I don't think you are saying it in a malicious way. And I even get your point. You persist on pinning this on Sashi, do you have any proof of it? We know the AJ thing was on Sashi, but regarding JG its just speculation on your part. To me its very clear why JG ended up in SF, and it has nothing to do with Sachi, directly...
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I saw McCarron has played the past two weeks, albeit for garbage time .. has anyone seen him play?
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Let this thread die please. It's too freaking painful. I mean that. Agree. What's worse is people actually think we could have had Garoppolo. We could have tried to trade our entire draft for Jimmy but we were never going to get him.
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Blaming Sashi is just plain lazy.
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If you don't want to read about Garrapolo, why open the thread? It's not like we are discussing him elsewhere. Don't open a thread w/his name in the title if you don't want to read about him. It's pretty simple.
I think Sashi's inability to trade for JG was perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to the relationship between Sashi and the coaching staff. It would be so nice to have a qb who was accurate.
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Hoyer not the only factor...of course not.
But it was a key factor as BB needs all his ducks in a row.
He wasn't getting much for JG as it was.
And we had many contacts with NE about JG but I got a feeling (guessing) we just did not stray from our original offer.
So on that Friday 2 days before the deadline when we called NE and they said don't bother. Hoyer was a big factor as they always are looking to win a championship...Hoyer could give a playoff game victory if Brady had a Concussion protocal thing ???
I see Sashi doing several things that got him fired. I don't think he botched the JG thing...McCarron yes, not JG.
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I don't think it should die. It shows how stupid Sashi was and why we won't miss him.
On the other hand, I do get what you are saying and I don't think you are saying it in a malicious way. And I even get your point. I think this is 60% Hues fault. We had plenty of ammo to go after JG and if Hue wanted him bad enough, he should have demanded it. But he is weak and mediocre and blew it!
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Stop it.
Hue wanted JG.
Sashi had the control not Hue.
You are a broken record. You got anything else?
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Stop it.
Hue wanted JG.
Sashi had the control not Hue.
You are a broken record. You got anything else? I disagree with you. You want a QB, you go after him. You convince everybody and their momma that you need this guy to be successful in the AFC north. We had plenty of ammo. Plenty to get the guy. He looks really good right now. could have given them a 1st and a 2nd if need be. Hue is too passive and wishy washy. It's disgusting!
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Stop it.
Hue wanted JG.
Sashi had the control not Hue.
You are a broken record. You got anything else? What we know is that Hue wanted AJ, not JG... Can you present any evidence that Hue wanted JG?
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If you don't want to read about Garrapolo, why open the thread? It's not like we are discussing him elsewhere. Don't open a thread w/his name in the title if you don't want to read about him. It's pretty simple.
I think Sashi's inability to trade for JG was perhaps the straw that broke the camel's back when it came to the relationship between Sashi and the coaching staff. It would be so nice to have a qb who was accurate. Again reaching conclusions that you have no information on. Where is any info, even rumors that Hue wanted JG? At this point is only you, and others, making this up.
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Stop it.
Hue wanted JG.
Sashi had the control not Hue.
You are a broken record. You got anything else? What we know is that Hue wanted AJ, not JG... Can you present any evidence that Hue wanted JG?
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Hoyer not the only factor...of course not.
But it was a key factor as BB needs all his ducks in a row.
He wasn't getting much for JG as it was.
And we had many contacts with NE about JG but I got a feeling (guessing) we just did not stray from our original offer.
So on that Friday 2 days before the deadline when we called NE and they said don't bother. Hoyer was a big factor as they always are looking to win a championship...Hoyer could give a playoff game victory if Brady had a Concussion protocal thing ???
I see Sashi doing several things that got him fired. I don't think he botched the JG thing...McCarron yes, not JG.
jmho Was JG ever on the trading block? New England never mad it public they wanted to trade, or even were open to trades for JG. The only conclusion we can take was that this was a private deal between SF and NE. Only they know the terms and what motivated the trade. If BB wanted more picks for JG he just had to call some other teams, Browns included,if he didn't its because he had his reasons. We can speculate what we want... IMHO JG didn't want to play for the worst coach in history... but that's just my opinion. And by the way, why whoever started the conversations with Cincy to trade for AJ didn't talk to NE in the first place to trade for JG? Sachi took the heat for not drafting Wentz and Watson and not trading for AJ, why wouldn't he admit on the JG deal?
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I wanted Garoppolo real bad. It is all over archive.
Sashi had the power. Hue made a comment about the FO being asleep on the Garoppolo opportunity.
The fault is clearly at the feet of Brown.
I was clear that Hue wanted an option other than Kizer.
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I wanted Garoppolo real bad. It is all over archive.
Sashi had the power. Hue made a comment about the FO being asleep on the Garoppolo opportunity.
The fault is clearly at the feet of Brown.
I was clear that Hue wanted an option other than Kizer. Would you please post a link for this...Thank you in advance.
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SF also didn't trade for JG on the draft, and Kyle wanted JG... Why didn't NE talk to the Browns, didn't they want the extra pics? We did offer extra picks for AJ, right? We know JG didn't want to play here, and that makes sense We are now seeing that HUE wanted all the QB's, except the ones we drafted... but this only becoming evident they were not good. More and more is evident that Hue will say anything to keep his job.
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Other than the paper work part of the deal if Sashi didn't try to get JG, How did they process the AJ deal so quickly? JH has taken responsibility for the deal not going through. If Hue could get the AJ deal going why did he not put that effort to get JG? On Brown not being able to execute the trade:
Haslam: “I will place that way more on me than on Sashi. We were having a conversation. I probably pushed the question-asking further than I should. I do not blame that on Sashi. I think we decided to push the go button later than we should. I think Sashi [was publicly criticized] way too much. I want to make clear, that had nothing to do with this decision.”
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Thanks for posting the links, but I knew he would dance all around them. 
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Thanks for posting the links, but I knew he would dance all around them. Rumors before the trade, not after the trade to SF. I've can post o ton of links where Jackson was happy with Kizer's and Kessler's draft. Also some links where Hue wanted AJ. Bust most important is that JG didn't want to play in Cleveland, didn't want to play for Hue, I suppose, and New England wanted to do the right thing.
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I think that we were done once Garoppolo said that there was no way he'd sign a long term deal here. When did that happen? It didn't. What some are trying to convince you of is that BB felt more loyalty to JG than he did the Patriots. That he would turn down more and better draft picks for the Patriots because he was just so close to JG. They just haven't put it into those words. Because, well, we all know how foolish that would sound.
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Hey Rasta..........will you do me a favor and argue w/someone else? Please? Your arguments are so far off that I have a hard time responding to them and if I do, they probably sound mean.
I don't want to do that, so maybe we can just ignore one another?
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I think that we were done once Garoppolo said that there was no way he'd sign a long term deal here. When did that happen? It didn't. What some are trying to convince you of is that BB felt more loyalty to JG than he did the Patriots. That he would turn down more and better draft picks for the Patriots because he was just so close to JG. They just haven't put it into those words. Because, well, we all know how foolish that would sound. So the other explanation is that BB is STUPID... He knows we want JG, yet he does not call the Browns to ask what we offer,he just goes ahead and make the trade with SF? Schefter who followed closely the all process and was lobbying for JG to the Browns said that in his opinion its was BB doing the right thing for his player. That's how you get to wear rings... when you stand by your players when it matters....
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It was in the PD.
I don't know if Hue was quoted. It was a comment by one of writers in the PD. That Hue was unhappy when the JG deal went down because the FO was asleep.
At this point does it matter? JG is gone. He was available for trade. The Browns did not make an offer that overwhelmed
BB. He made the deal with SF. End of story.
If the Browns would have been aggressive the deal was there to be made.
Sashi Brown is gone. Maybe he would have remained if got JG. Maybe it was already decided that he did not have the experience.
Just another of many cases of: "I wish we would have".
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I think that we were done once Garoppolo said that there was no way he'd sign a long term deal here. When did that happen? It didn't. What some are trying to convince you of is that BB felt more loyalty to JG than he did the Patriots. That he would turn down more and better draft picks for the Patriots because he was just so close to JG. They just haven't put it into those words. Because, well, we all know how foolish that would sound. So the other explanation is that BB is STUPID... He knows we want JG, yet he does not call the Browns to ask what we offer,he just goes ahead and make the trade with SF? Schefter who followed closely the all process and was lobbying for JG to the Browns said that in his opinion its was BB doing the right thing for his player. That's how you get to wear rings... when you stand by your players when it matters.... Then they couldn't blame Sashi if they believe what you posted and they have to find fault in what ever he did.
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I have no clue which teams decided to inquire about JG.
I was simply suppling links to the questions you were asking.
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It was in the PD.
I don't know if Hue was quoted. It was a comment by one of writers in the PD. That Hue was unhappy when the JG deal went down because the FO was asleep.
At this point does it matter? JG is gone. He was available for trade. The Browns did not make an offer that overwhelmed
BB. He made the deal with SF. End of story.
If the Browns would have been aggressive the deal was there to be made.
Sashi Brown is gone. Maybe he would have remained if got JG. Maybe it was already decided that he did not have the experience.
Just another of many cases of: "I wish we would have". So why didn't Hue wake them up why wasn't he going into press conferences saying get me JG I want JG please get me JG? What you heard were crickets from Hue. If you want to get the most for something you need to trade/sell do you advertise that you are wanting to part with it or do you keep telling people offering you something it's not up for trade? Would you be better off saying thanks for your offer but we were looking to get more and have another team interested feel free to adjust your offer.
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Then they couldn't blame Sashi if they believe what you posted and they have to find fault in what ever he did.
Yeah, it makes more sense to say that BB cared so much about JG that he'd turn down more ammunition to help his team You know the one thing nobody has shown in all this BS? It's where Sashi called on Monday offering BB more than San Fran.
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