DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Why is Gregg Williams getting a pass?

No it means a real head coach will know how to deal with him. . .

Yep, BB will cut him, too. Just like Hue did.

j/c:

Williams might have an agenda but he is still a good coach, IMO.

He is a good coach. As for agenda? Everybody has one.

I just can't remember mine day to day !

Hues horrible offense makes the D look worse than what it is. Hue contaminates the whole team. He is gone!

LOL....exactly. All smart people and organizations have an agenda. It's the most misused word on the board. And heck, I have even used it, but it's really an absurd comment. I think we like to use it when we disagree w/another's opinion.

Put it this way, if you don't have an "agenda," you are most likely clueless.

I like how you're now using agenda as a term of endearment when you've negatively criticized others for having one!

The irony. It doesn't get much better than this.

Sounds like another personal insult. I even admitted I have used it. Dude, go away.

No one wants to hear our bickering. I will stop. Will you?

No.

Man this BS arguing makes the board impossible to enjoy at times.It just never ends and constantly derails threads/conversations.

I don't know if the constant losing on the field or the constant bickering on here is worse.Cant we just stick to debates and leave all the personal stuff out ?

I know that's asking a lot and unfortunately I'm sure it will be to much to ask from some on here.

I'm game for that.

Why don't you start it?

Sigh... That didn't take long....I guess it was to much to ask... carry on fellas.

Actually, if the biggest offender of what you asked for would actually follow your advice, and the advice he gives others, it would be no problem.

Dude, I will talk football w/you. Let's just ignore those guys.

What do you think of Williams' defense? Make a couple of comments and I will reply. Cool?

Ah, so I'm not on ignore?

Vers, you are a real piece. When you talk football, I love it.

But when you call out others, but then turn around and do the exact same thing........trust me, it wears thin, and shows you for what you are.

While Williams is far from a perfect DC I definitely think he's a upgrade from Horton.

I don't think he has all the pieces he needs to properly run his D.I don't think he trusts our secondary to not give up a big play and that's why our corners/safeties always play so far off.He wants to try to keep everything in front of the D and not give up anything over top.

I think the LB's really miss Collins.TE's kill us every single week.The D line really misses Ogbah(especially Garrett).His production has fell off a cliff since Ogbah went down and that's really concerning for the #1 overall pick.To be fair he does seem to get held quite often but barely ever gets the call,but that's no excuse and I expect more from a player who was said to be a generational pass rushing talent even if he is a rookie.

I’m still confused why we play Peppers in the next county.

eotab, a month or more ago those pff numbers were posted for joe and our three cornerbacks. McCourty was the best by far and it seems like Taylor and Haden were within a few spots of each other. I wonder how Taylor and Haden compared when joe went down with his injury.

I was drinking the Williams koolaid when we hired him but not anymore. He talks a good game but that's wearing thin. 2 things he stressed were pressuring the QB and takeaways. We are not good at either. TEs have killed us all year. I see no improvement.

fixed.

Nice post. All football.

I completely agree w/you that he doesn't trust our secondary. Then again, a few of us knew that the secondary was going to be horrid. Sashi kind of blew it in the draft and then he cut Haden.

We blitz a lot because our DL can't sack the qb and that puts the secondary in a bad position, but I think GW deserves part of the blame because he blitzes so much and puts the secondary in bad spots.

I think our two safeties suck in coverage. Both are SS types who like to play downhill and defend the run. Both are clueless in space and in coverage.

Poor drafting.

I know Gipson isn't the best around, but this D would be so much better w/him at FS than we are w/Peppers.

I agree we need a true FS in the worst possible way.I still think it was a mistake to pass on Hooker.I was surprised when Hooker was sitting there at 12 and then shocked when we traded back and took Peppers.

I agree. I was so happy when we took Myles and top picks played out the way they did.......I was saying we can get Hooker......what a dream draft........of course, Sashi trades down and ends up w/the dud........Peppers.

We've got the 1st and 4th overall selections at the moment. NY and Indy at #2 and #3.

Minkah Fitzpatrick will be on the board and Dorsey will sprint that selection in if he's smart. Elite FS.

I would prefer Malik hooker at fs and we could have had him instead of peppers. that choice was a big faux pas. I think kindred is doing well at ss. our corners play 10 yds off the los. I would bet the vast majority of their completions were underneath routes with quick releases by Flacco. makes it very difficult to get to the qb. imho when we upgrade our fs and cbs next year our defense will be really good.

Rosen and Fitzpatrick would be AMAZING!

That would be a great first round and I hope the second includes a receiver and a cb.

That's my biggest beef with the defense... over all I think the defense plays pretty well considering how often we turn it over... but peppers playing from Michigan is insane...

we do have Howard Wilson coming back healthy next year, McCourty and Brean Boddy are both playing decent ball. that's 3 CB I like (Wilson was good in college).

I would rather dump Louis and Higgans and get two more WR's before another CB.

Rosen

Minkah

WR

WR

0-line

No. No and NO.

We need to go after Landry or another TOP FA WR.

Moreso than that, we need to POUND the obvious weakest link on this Defense. Regardless of having Wilson back.

McCourty, Calhoun and Wilson is a good start, but we need to TARGET a TOP FA CB and take another high in Round 2. A 1st round talent will drop out of the first day.

And START it with the 1-2 punch of

Rosen or Darnold
Minkah-Fitzpatrick

It's not just him. It's anybody who plays the position.

My guess is Williams doesn't want to get beat over the top in a quick way. He doesn't trust the corners, that is why they play off the ball. Make them play another play. Yesterday was a case in point, we made them play another play and ended up with a goal line stand.

Once we get better corners who can plan man press coverage, i think we will see the safety positioned in a more classic manner.

Also, we don't have a real FS on the roster. Peppers is having to play out of position.

There are a lot of WR in the draft. We don't need to go sign one in free agency. Plus, WR isn't our problem, it's QB. I'm not going to reiterate that Mayfield is the best in the draft, yes I will, and he's in the discussion with Rosen, and Darnold. If anything, I like that Dorsey pointed out that height isn't a factor when he chooses a QB, like so many insist is a necessary commodity. Working out well for Kizer I see.

Agreed. The combination of a DL that can't get pressure and a weak secondary is a tough combo to overcome.

But we have this Philosophy, the deep safety, from the start of the season, well before we knew we were going to have problems on the DL.

We were also suppose do have a good DL...

Did the coaches say that or did you read it from fans on a message board?