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Was commenting on the board discussion, which I assumed you were also.

From former NFL All-Pro linebacker Keith Bulluck:



https://twitter.com/kbull53/status/942800455402434561

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https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/942810017127960578

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Is there a team in the NFL who doesn't drop their defensive linemen on occasion? But, it's cool to make fun of the DC when your team is losing.

We play off WRs, allowing Quick throws.

Quick throws negate the Pass Rush.

Playing off negates the CBs.

It’s not the CBs or the DL.

It’s the scheme. It doesn’t work. We know it doesn’t work. But we won’t change it.

Better players won’t make this scheme better.

Been a rough week on social media for Gregg Williams. These last two games have made it glaringly obvious that he's terrible at his job.

What I hear and what I see seem to be worlds apart IMO. Whatever the adjustments or attempted solutions are seem lousy. We get softer and second half losses keep coming around.

The song remains the same it seems.

I believe we'll find GW's defense gets better as our talent pool deepens and our current talent improves. Frustration causes us to view the world dimly.

We play our CB's off to keep them from stealing Daylon McCutcheon's nickname. Most of our CB's (none?) can handle consistently playing press. We have a dangerous mix of youth, inexperience, and inability.

That said, I think that we should be blitzing less but playing tighter whenever possible. I don't doubt that we've tried that and found that we still get shredded, however. We just don't have enough talent deep enough to hold up.

Great line.

I wish Jimmy would fire Hue, promote Williams to HC and hire an OC. #Continuity

I could live with that

I never liked Gregg Williams due to some personal issues, but the guy is a respected for his knowledge, schemes, and having good defenses. I won't ignore that.

It bothers me that all these guys pretend they actually understand the schemes and are coaching geniuses because they played Madden.

Our coaching staff is fine. I tried telling people before the year that our secondary was weak and said the same about the QBs and WRs.

I'm not surprised by the results, but I think it's wrong for all these guys to pretend that our coaches suck. We're damn lucky to have both.

I don't know how much the league would like to have Gregg Williams as a head coach.

Not knocking your opinion, but moving DC to HC, bringing in an OC and then needing a DC because the old one is now HC does not strike me as Continuity.

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To answer the OP directly: personnel

Gregg typically plays way more nickel and dime personnel.

But, this team doesn't have enough good DB's for that style of defense.

All the LBs usually play the whole game, that's unheard of in the modern NFL.

This confuses me. Greg Williams boasts and brags that he rotates his d-line so often so they stay fresh, yet does the opposite for LB's. Seems counter intuitive.

It also means backs and tight ends kill us on the regular.

I'm starting to think that Williams is nothing but a blow hard, that had a couple teams with tons of talent make him look good. The whole game is the same, and teams repeatedly run the same stuff over and over and he doesn't scheme to stop it. How many frickin screens did Flacco throw? I think we broke up one.

With the recievers in the NFL nowadays, you can't just let them keep having 5 to 7 yard pass plays constantly, playing to keep them in front of you. We get no INTS due to the fact that most recievers are covered by one guy, and any safety help is ten yards away. There is little resistance from DBs, and many are easy uncontested receptions. Meanwhile, Peppers, who's strength tackling and being physical, is sitting a mile away and is expected to cover many yards after the catch is made. Then when they blitz, if the back makes one guy miss, he will not be touched for at least five yards. They have been good against the run, but when a back gets loose from the backfield, they got plenty room to scamper.

TEs do a simple chip on a DE, and they are wide open across the line of scrimmage. It's maddening.

He's no different than any other coach in the NFL. If you give him the personnel to run his schemes, he'll produce well for you. When you have an attorney and a numbers guy doing the draft, that doesn't always work out so well.

In his first season, our D has improved in every measurable. Our fans are just so miserable they're pointing fingers in directions where they don't belong.

ok, pit. in Williams first year our defense has improved in every measurable. where did the personnel come from to run the Williams system and improve the defense?? did someone just find them on our doorstep?? or did the attorney and the numbers guy pick them in the draft. guys like ogbah, Garrett, ogunjobi, Foley, schobert and Collins. I think the idea that our guys brought in a bunch of hacks is just wrong.

And who is to say our defense wouldn't be better with a better or just another DC?

device, that is an unanswerable question because this exact defense will never be coached by anyone else. but my point was that our much maligned fo has assembled a pretty good defensive front seven.

It was rhetorical.

Where your theory may be flawed is how good are some of the guys you mentioned honestly? While it's nice to list those names, could it be they're being played to get the very most out of their talent by Williams and with another coach or system they wouldn't look so good?

Some people seem to believe that just because they're the best talent on a very poor team, suddenly they're very good to great players. The reason they're playing is because they're the best players on a poor team. What that actually means is anyone's guess, but it doesn't automatically mean they're as good as Browns fans believe they are.

If players don't produce they want to blame the coach. If players do produce, they don't want to give the the coach credit.

It's pretty obvious to see here. If they don't produce it's the fault of the coach. If they do play well it's because of the brilliant FO. It's not hard to see the thinly veiled one sided approach being used.

Or they are just talented players and they should get the credit.

It could go either way. We certainly don't know the answer to that.

This is hilarious. Reminds me of the Corey Fuller days of him being a STUD. Lmao

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/27/hue-ja...er-jimmy-haslam

Gregg Williams has easily been the most frustrating part of this season. It isn't just his mistakes, but his blind recalcitrance to stand by his mistakes and allow them to continuously happen.

I like the progress made, but a large part of that has been the trade off allowed against the pass.

The Browns allow an astonishing 102 passer rating. A 27-to-6 TD/INT ratio with a completion percentage of 67.7% at 7.3 yards per attempt. There is a legitimate case to be made that the Browns are the worst team in the NFL against the pass.

That is only slightly improved from the team last year that was decimated by injury, boasted far less talent and was even younger - yet the team has regressed in allowing a higher competition percentage, a higher passer rating and fewer turnovers.

The Browns blitz more than any team in the NFL yet apply less pressure than anyone else, and are only 20th overall in sacks. This is one reason why the run game is so good, but it isn't helping against the pass.

A large part of that, in my opinion, is because of Gregg Williams, not the team. He lines up his defenders too deep, doesn't play enough heavy-DB packages so he constantly puts linebackers in difficult coverage situations, he blitzes too much without results and he often boasts of his "bend but don't break" defense that is 15th in big plays given up.

What we were playing like the last three seasons isn't much a change from what we're playing like now - the only difference is that this team has a lot more talent than previous years. I can at least give Jackson credit because the past few drafts have seen a heavy focus on the defense, but Williams isn't using that talent in a very productive way.

Ogbah, Collins back plus a bonafide free safety and an extra (couple) of DBs fixes all that ails the defense. Maybe Wilson can be on of those pieces. Another legit coverage LB / S (hello Peppers?) would also benefit. The defense hasn’t made enough plays to change games but that’s probably from being on the field so long - we rank 3rd from bottom at 46%. I’m not convinced as we haven’t adjusted to the short passing games which have killed us but the defense has kept us in numerous games that we may have won with mediocre offense. Just my 2p.

j/c

Offenses from Flacco to Hundley...from Stafford to Trubisky...from Dalton to Brisset...all get what they want and when they want it.

Our vaunted defense is a fraud.

We are really good against the run, but it is probably because we are selling out to do so. We play three linebackers a ton which leaves us vulnerable to running backs and tight ends catching passes.

Thats BS ...

Our run D is VERY GOOD ... when healthy, its as good a front 7 as their is in the NFL ...

I don’t know what to think of Williams .. it BOGGLES MY MIND how he keeps playing the same D and expects different results ... but let not get STUPID HERE ...

Our run D is VERY GOOD when healthy ... our front 7 is on par with anyone else’s in the NFL ...