Week after week we see this team come out and show the ability to run the ball effectively only to have the coach completely abandon the run and it isnt because we are behind. It is because he wants to throw the ball over and over with a QB that that has shown the inability to make good decisions with the football.
I was so irritated and frustrated the way we abandoned the run yesterday that I was looking forward to the next Kizer interception to get rid of Hue Jackson.
There is simply no excuse to be running the ball all over a team and to abandon it completely even when we were leading.
Hue may stay but I will be gone. I just cant take his inept playcalling. I love his scheme and I love the coaching staff he has assembled but we are never going to win consistenly with this dumbass running things.
Run the ball down their throats get a lead and lets just pass for the remainder of the game. Brilliant plan.
Screw Hue and Haslam. This isnt a one game theme Hue doesnt want to run the ball or he is intent on losing every single game.
Its not about the talent. Our OL has been destroying teams up front in the run game. Crow and Duke are running the hell out of it. The coach however is a moron.
He may be. I've wondered it myself, and said it to my wife in almost those exact words this weekend. However, I think we should keep him and he should be forced to relinquish the play calling.
JMHO
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Vers, even you must admit abandoning the run this past weekend was moronic, as was the the pass call when we were backed up against the goal line. Particularly in light of the success had running the ball in almost the exact same situation a couple possessions earlier. The challenge ineptitude... and so on. It's awful and something needs to change. I hope it's the play calling duties, not the entire position.
JMHO
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
I know you feel u have to defend Hue but how in the hell can you defend us running the ball down the ravens throat only to completely abandon the run game after we take the lead.
Seriously Vers, I know you would have pounded the ball down their throats. Kizer leads the league in picks. yet we ask him over and over and over to throw out of his own endzone. Throw the ball in the redzone in areas where even the dumbest of fan is saying run the damn ball.
At what point do you say. Hue run the damn ball and stop being cute.
I don't want Hue to go, but changes (additions, one in particular) need to be made to the coaching staff.
Hue has a huge mess on his plate, and it's simply too much for one man to sort through getting the team turned around, players developed, gameplan installed, and calling plays. He needs a good OC to take some of the weight off of his shoulders.
Hue is stretched too thin, and it's showing on Sundays.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Hue has no football wisdom. He has a ton of knowledge much like Jeff Fisher did when he coached but is a dud when it comes to winning. They are constantly out coached by the other team. Hue is not Head coach material. It's like sticking a square peg in a round hole, it ain't gonna work! They are out their arena. Too predictable and vanilla. No business being a head coach. Says it's his dream but could it be a selfish desire for acknowledgement, fame and fortune due to some kind of insecurity issue. I hope he disappears so this franchise can start winning again. We are not too far from that as the team is so much better than Hue makes them look with his inept decision making and planning. Be gone Imposter!!!
Exciting football will be back in Cleveland this fall!
Hue Jackson is a buffon OK. Folks need to cut Kizer some slack, what has transpired this year is NOT Kizer's fault.Its the result of Hue putting Kizer in a beyond awful situation. I fear Jackson may have actually ruined Young Kizer's Career before it ever got started.
Good NFL Head Coaches do the following when starting a rookie QB:
1. Simplify and condense the playbook 2. Simplify the routes and reads 3. Limit the QB's number of throws 4. Lean more on the running game.
Jackson did NONE of these things this year with Kizer. Kizer literally has 10 games with more then 30 pass attempts.
Yes, a rookie Qb throwing the ball more then 30 times nearly every game, he even has a game where he threw the ball 47 times
Jackson might ass well should of just ran Kizer over in the parking lot with the team bus before the game. This is why I am saddened that the Browns are going to give up on Kizer. Kizer has SO MUCH GOD GIVEN TALENT. But Hue Jackson has completely ruined the kid. Kizer had no chance whatsoever with this moron as our head coach.
its my hope that Kizer can get a year or two as a backup here(or elsewhere) and actually have someone who will bring him along like he should have been in the 1st place as i believe Kizer is a viable NFL starting QB a year or 2 down the road with the right coaching and situation.
If the Browns keep buffon Jackson, he will ruin Rosen or whatever rookie QB we do draft with his penchant for refusal to simplify his playbook, limit the rookies throws, refusal to simplify the reads.
Many of Kizer's INTS this year were the result of being confused on the reads...even that INT into the end zone this past Sunday...Blown play...in that situation therre should only be OINE read and if it isn;'t there, throw it out of bounds and kick, but NOPE...Jackson had yet another multiple read play down there putting his rookie QB in a crap situation, he was already a bit confused with coverage reads anyways, lets just throw multiple ones at him like Kizer is a vet.
Hue Jackson has probably ruined Kizer and his career, he should be ashamed of himself, he is no QB Whisperer, he is a QB Butcher.
Regardless Kizer, the Browns will have a new Qb next year either via Fa, the Draft, or both. You were never given a shot here, you were set up to fail by an ignoramus of a coach who doesn't have a clue to how to develop a QB. The only Qb that had any success while Hue was a coordinator is because Jackson had Marty Scotenheimer, Marvin Lewis, Bobby Petrino, and John Harbaugh there to ensure he didn't ruin the kids with his bullheadedness.
Good luck Kizer, I hope your able to get a year or two on the benc somewhere and are able to resurrect your career that Hue Jackson has nearly killed. As a 21 year old rookie you deserved better then this nonsense.
After Crows big run and Duke's TD run, I believe our running backs combined for 5 runs total the rest of the freaking game!!!! Their runs gave us a 7-3 lead and they received 5 mother freaking runs the rest of the damn game.
After Crows big run and Duke's TD run, I believe our running backs combined for 5 runs total the rest of the freaking game!!!! Their runs gave us a 7-3 lead and they received 5 mother freaking runs the rest of the damn game.
The big head scratcher for me is that Crow got the ball on the very next play after his big run. I mean, how is the guy not winded, yet he gets the ball there?
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do. -Derek Jeter
Hue Jackson is a buffoon OK. Folks need to cut Kizer some slack, what has transpired this year is NOT Kizer's fault.Its the result of Hue putting Kizer in a beyond awful situation. I fear Jackson may have actually ruined Young Kizer's Career before it ever got started.
Good NFL Head Coaches do the following when starting a rookie QB:
1. Simplify and condense the playbook 2. Simplify the routes and reads 3. Limit the QB's number of throws 4. Lean more on the running game.
Jackson did NONE of these things this year with Kizer. Kizer literally has 10 games with more then 30 pass attempts.
There was an episode of Seinfeld where George starts doing everything the opposite of how he would normally do it. It works out great for him!
Our instincts might tell us that firing a coach after only two years is just the same old Browns, but I would argue differently. Retaining a coach that wins only game in two seasons is actually the most Browns thing ever. We should do the opposite! Fire the coach! Start this, most important, off-season with a real shot at change instead of doing the most Browns thing ever.
I suspect if Cincy calls to inquire about Jackson, Haslam and Dorsey allow him to go. I'm not as convinced as some of the talking heads that it will happen, but if it does, I think they let him walk.
I'm just saying that statements like (and I'm paraphrasing), "We're going to stick with the plan", "We've found the right man for the job", and "Hue's not going anywhere" are all fluid.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
He is kept. Heal yourself with real players, a game manager other than Hue, and kill this draft.
We can win but only with positive change. Coaches first. Marvy Marv might be a good add here. Hue needs a mentor to kick his butt when he is wrong. He has proven his approach is not solid in the least. His judgment is at least suspect. But that is one part of his duties, albeit a strong need.
We handed Hue crap overall, drama and losing, and threw out vets who competed, and then pushed for more of the same. We are making a team, not movies.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Whether Hue stays or is gone, I do not pretend to know or particularly care. I have stated in the past that I like him as a head coach (motivation-wise) but have questioned his (lack of) usage of our TE's. His play calling is anything but 'vanilla', perhaps even too complex for a rookie QB. (Note: delay of game penalties, unnecessary timeouts). I am no expert (lol) but some of the calls as others have noted, are indeed perplexing. Whatever the FO does to/for Hue, is OK by me for I have no horse in this race. No Jeff Fisher, please...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
I am neutral on Hue. I don’t think he would have signed on if he knew the front office was going to blow the roster apart and rebuild. I believe that his shopping list for positional needs was never addressed by the team. It’s pretty obvious that Bowe and Britt were appeasement additions.
New #Browns GM John Dorsey says he and Hue Jackson have a really good relationship. Says he's been impressed with how Jackson talks to team and how hard #Browns play for Jackson.
I wouldn't cry if Hue is fired, But, I have to say these guys play hard for him, and that's no small accomplishment for a team that's 0-14 and that is something I like and if he stays I won't be upset either ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Let me rephrase I would be more upset if he stays than if he is fired ... Still
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Why , if I " question " a Coach that is like 1 and 29 am I labeled a Hue hater ?? Let me ask some of the Hue supporters for an answer to Mourg's question about the lack of carries for our running backs ?? WHY ? He has been questioned several times this year about the exact same thing .
My complaints are numerous when it comes to his play calling , make no bones about .. It took half a season for him to realize there is a middle / seam on the field to be utilize .. lol
Browns GM John Dorsey on Hue Jackson’s future: ‘Ownership has said that Hue would be back’ and ‘I’m excited to work with him’
By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal/Ohio.com New Browns General Manager John Dorsey declined to guarantee coach Hue Jackson would return for the 2018 season last week during a radio interview with WKNR (850-AM).
But when Dorsey faced questions Tuesday about Jackson’s future in a radio interview with the team’s other flagship station, 92.3 The Fan, the executive repeatedly referred to owner Jimmy Haslam vowing two weeks ago to keep Jackson for next season.
“Hue and I have a really good relationship,” Dorsey said on the Bull and the Fox show. “First off, I think ownership has said that Hue would be back. With that, I’m excited to work with him here. I’ve been really impressed with how Hue messages to the player. I’ve always thought that head coaches should be leader of men, and when I watch Hue talk to the team and how hard guys play for him, that’s exciting.
“We’ve sat down. We’ve had great conversations, and part of those conversations have been talking about trying to build that strategic plan for the 2018 season as well. And I think as long as the head coach and the GM are on the same mindset, I have to understand — this is how I view things — I want to understand what makes the Cleveland Browns’ offense successful by position. I want to understand what makes the Cleveland Browns’ defense successful by positional specifics. Once I get that clear objective of that, I can go get the types of players for this coaching staff to move forward and create that competition that we continually talk about.”
Asked if Jackson is 100 percent going to be the coach of the Browns in Week 1 of the 2018 season, Dorsey said, “I think ownership has already spoken on that question.” Dorsey then gave the same answer when asked if Jackson would remain the coach if it were the GM’s choice. The Browns were 0-12 at the time of Dorsey’s introductory news conference on Dec. 8. They were staring at 0-16 then, and they still are after losing two more games and falling to 0-14. During that news conference, Haslam was asked if Jackson would return no matter how the rest of this season unfolded.
“Yeah, absolutely,” Haslam replied. “I think it would be a mistake to just zero in on ’18. We are planning on Hue Jackson being our football coach for a long time and he and John working closely together for a long time.”
Haslam’s promise came a day after he fired Sashi Brown as the organization’s head of football operations and said in a statement, “Hue Jackson will remain our coach and will return for the 2018 season but we feel it is necessary to take significant steps to strengthen our personnel department.”
Nate Ulrich can be reached at nulrich@thebeaconjournal.com. R
the fact that the biggest complaint about hue is that HE is not Vanilla enough and is running a too complex offense with the players he has shows you are incorrect.
the fact that the biggest complaint about hue is that HE is not Vanilla enough and is running a too complex offense with the players he has shows you are incorrect.
Actually the plays are way too complicated for a young rookie to run and execute without any simplification. By vanilla I mean the defensive coach seems to know exactly what we are going to run and constantly stuffs us especially on 3rd down, which we are last in the league. Hue has no creativity that is effective. Our 3 and outs are among the worst in the league. He needs an OC but is too stubborn to get one!
Exciting football will be back in Cleveland this fall!
Why , if I " question " a Coach that is like 1 and 29 am I labeled a Hue hater ?? Let me ask some of the Hue supporters for an answer to Mourg's question about the lack of carries for our running backs ?? WHY ? He has been questioned several times this year about the exact same thing .
My complaints are numerous when it comes to his play calling , make no bones about .. It took half a season for him to realize there is a middle / seam on the field to be utilize .. lol
I am not a hue Hater / question's , yes ..
I agree. I'm not a Hue hater - I don't hate anyone. However, I do hate 1-29. Why? Because it is simply unacceptable, that's why.
Week in and week out I see effort till the the end of the game.
In many years of following football I can never remember when fans did not question play calling.
It's like in baseball, pitch selection. Everybody is an expert.
Every team play calling is questioned. Fans either go after the OC or Head Coach.
So I pay more attention to play execution. Who blew their assignment?
It's like Belichick says "do your job".
The reality is the Browns could have won games this year. What has stopped them is player execution. The quarterback play has been responsible for way to many turnovers.
You turn the ball over 32 times in fourteen games you can not win many games.
You drop as many passes as the Browns have you narrow your chances to win.
You play the way the Browns have; you get the results they have gotten.
The people that want to blame Hue have at it. But let me say this; Hue doesn't wear a uniform.
Week after week we see this team come out and show the ability to run the ball effectively only to have the coach completely abandon the run and it isnt because we are behind. It is because he wants to throw the ball over and over with a QB that that has shown the inability to make good decisions with the football.
1. The obvious, these games are not ones that we have to win to get in the post season.
2. When we pass we got guys open and not just one we usually catch teams playing against the run.
3. Possibly he wants to make sure Dorsey knows for a FACT 100% FACT that Kizer is not THE GUY.
Do you blame him? He was saddled with Kizer this year because of the last BMIC.
4. If the players were giving up on Hue I'd actually switch my tune on keeping him...but the fact is the players here (not the ones we got rid of) want to play for him.
5. If we get rid of him...JT probably does not come back. Cause its another overhaul.
6. If we get rid of him...we have no chance of signing FA's with all that Cap room. Hue gets them wanting to play for us.
7. We got so many young kids but they have known no other offense but Hues...I want to see us go into year 3 and some repetition!
8. He actually is a good teacher for the QB. As bad as Kizer is he is playing so much better than he was in the beginning.
I want him here with our REAL FRANCHISE PROSPECT.
Jumping ship now is not the right thing to do...we are closer than you think!
jmho
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Ill throw a hypothetical out there, what would our record be with a coach, any coach who you guys think is a legit hall of fame coach who is coaching right now? Do we still go 1-29? For example: does this team go 1-29 under Belichick? Just a question......
Ill throw a hypothetical out there, what would our record be with a coach, any coach who you guys think is a legit hall of fame coach who is coaching right now? Do we still go 1-29? For example: does this team go 1-29 under Belichick? Just a question......
Probably not. But would we be replacing him with Belichick? No. We'd replace him with Fisher or something.
What would the record be with Bill? Maybe 4 to 5 wins.
As much as dislike some of the stuff Hue has done, i'm happy to stay the course. Another total teardown would be devastating and with a new GM we are absolutely teetering on that brink. I'd like to see what Hue does inext year after another FA period with a new sherrif in town and a tonne of cap and a glut of picks in the draft with these young kids with experience under the belt. Could be a big leap next year hopefully.
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