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Hue has a great rep of developing qbs, but you claim he hasn't helped Kizer developed. I say he has. Kizer has shown improvement, but his flaws are what they are.
I actually think Hue has done a very good job with Kizer...he's improved a lot its just when it comes time to put that improvement to good outcomes...he just is not naturally Accurate. His Flaws are what they are as you said.
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Tipped ball, IIRC, yeah? Hard to tell from the small pic, but I'm pretty sure it was.
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Yup, tipped ball...(and that was trend in this game the OL have to cut/get the hands of the DL down on short set/3-step drop passes)..tipped but hit Gordon in the hands.
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Hue has a great rep of developing qbs, but you claim he hasn't helped Kizer developed. I say he has. Kizer has shown improvement, but his flaws are what they are.
I actually think Hue has done a very good job with Kizer...he's improved a lot its just when it comes time to put that improvement to good outcomes...he just is not naturally Accurate. His Flaws are what they are as you said.
I think this conclusions are amazing.... Honestly, considering Kizer's performance, how can you say that? We have seen Kizer taking the most idiotic decisions in crunch time. Time and time again he shows no game awareness and his brain freezes. Hue is on Kizer's ears, he is managing him, yet we see no signs of Hue correcting or minimizing this issues.... How is this good Qb coaching and development,its beyond my comprehension... Also beats me how putting the faith of the game in the hands of a struggling QB against the best pass D's in the league is considered good QB development....
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I generally dislike plays that take place behind the LOS (except of course running plays) and this is a perfect example of why. LB should've been taken on by the TE. Not sure if he missed the assignment or not, but it looks like he was running a route, so I kind of doubt it. Ball was placed well, I'm wondering if he' would've gotten it off sooner if Crow could've bolted for the sideline and gotten around the corner. The unblocked LB though made the play useless. Scheme? Blown assignment? Slow throw? I don't know.
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The elusive and seldom seen Screen pass, blown up by a good defensive play. Kizer put the ball where it should be though.
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 Not many playcalls for 3rd and 21- Looks like they got Cover 1 w/ the S favoring Gordon's side of the field. Playcall: max protect w/ TE and RB staying in to block 3 WRs run go routes Coleman on wide left someone in the slot and Gordon wide right Kizer starts his progression with Gordon's go route; Weedle help over the top on Gordon's side but is still late and out of the play Josh gets tripped up with the DB ('incidental') He could have turned down Gordon's route and moved to left side progression and reset to check Coleman's route the left side S squatted and didn't give Coleman's CB deep help. I don't grade this pass down b/c of the incidental contact. You could argue that the Weedle rotation should have forced him off the read but the reality is that Weedle was late and wasn't in the play. Just a bad result because of the incidental contact and its Josh...any chance you have with Josh on a 1-on-1 i'm not gonna knock that choice.
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I generally dislike plays that take place behind the LOS (except of course running plays) and this is a perfect example of why. LB should've been taken on by the TE. Not sure if he missed the assignment or not, but it looks like he was running a route, so I kind of doubt it. Ball was placed well, I'm wondering if he' would've gotten it off sooner if Crow could've bolted for the sideline and gotten around the corner. The unblocked LB though made the play useless. Scheme? Blown assignment? Slow throw? I don't know. The elusive and seldom seen Screen pass, blown up by a good defensive play. Kizer put the ball where it should be though. 1st and 10-Ravens show Single safety and rotate to Cover 2 man after snap (Cover 2 man is good defense to run against). Everyone is in man coverage with S help so they play aggressive tight underneath coverage. 2nd down play is Cover-1 man. The SS is in the box and reacts to the screen pass like he's shot out of cannon and the RDE reads screen and follow Crow. 2 plays that just didn't work out, Raven's pass D isn't one of the best by accident. Would probably have been better off with 2 runs. And using hindsight call some man to man coverage beaters with pick rub routes.
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 Play-action. Spider 2 concept. Telfar is running a corner/sail route from the in-line TE right. Crow is running the flat route Gordon is running a drag from the (L) slot. Kizer is likely working a Hi-Lo read from the TE down. He get's pressured pretty quick here and throws to a covered Crow. I grade him down on this throw because he had Gordon on the drag route. If i'm Kizer's QB coach I'm telling him after the play is called in the huddle always think about the players involved. Always know where Gordo is. If its me before the play even starts I don't expect Telfar to 'win' his route and I know that i have Gordon on the backside drag. In the back of my head i'm think..'if Telfar doesn't win quickly i'm checking Gordon.' But the pressure gets to him quick and Kizer goes from Telfar to Crow and doesn't look/get a chance to look at Gordon. Also you want this ball up higher and out in front.
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 Good read to target Josh on the drag. Again there is pressure. (per PFF Kizer was pressured on 44% of his dropbacks vs the Ravens) Carl Davis #94 makes a good play to get up and bat the ball down. Sometimes the defense wins. 2nd batted ball on the day for the Ravens DL.
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I disagree on this goal-line throw. There is no way he is seeing Gordon with those defenders in his face. Gordon only comes in to Kizer's field of vision after he commits to the throw.
You really didn't mention Zeitler, Coleman and Vitale on that play? Really?
Zeitler gets absolutely dominated, which gets Coleman crushed in a 2-on-1, and Vitalte takes a moment to shine some shoes because he sure didn't do anything productive on that play.
If I'm Kizer's QB coach, I'm taking a dump on Bob Wylie's desk and leaving a note saying he's got a lot more he needs to clean up.
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 Raven's look like they're in Cover 2 man and bring a LB on a blitz. Kizer targets Coleman running a deep in from the (R). Suggs beats Drango and as soon as Kizer reaches the top of his drop Suggs is there. Kizer does a good job of shrugging and stepping up in the pocket...but at the same time the blitzing LB jacks Duke into Kizer's lap as he steps up. Its a hard life for any QB to throw against rolled up corners in 2-man. Its even harder when the pocket is collapsing around you. Kizer sail his throw high and behind Coleman. Intercepted. This is a throw i deem as inaccurate but 'forced' inaccuracy due to pressure.
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I disagree on this goal-line throw. There is no way he is seeing Gordon with those defenders in his face. Gordon only comes in to Kizer's field of vision after he commits to the throw.
You really didn't mention Zeitler, Coleman and Vitale on that play? Really? When I do these I speak plainly and limit color/hyperbole. I certainly mentioned Kizer got pressured quickly. But back to the throw...the coaching point I mentioned earlier would facilitated Kizer having the time to make the throw to Gordon because he would have been looking his way much quicker IF he already had it in his mind that hey if we get man on this play which of the options is more likely to win? Telfar-Crow or Josh? I'm not saying he should disregard the reads. What am I saying is recognize where you best option/players are. Make sure you get your head around enough to peak if Gordo is gettin open on the backside.
If I'm Kizer's QB coach, I'm taking a dump on Bob Wylie's desk and leaving a note saying he's got a lot more he needs to clean up.
That wouldn't get you very far....but you could ask Wylie how can we get the DL hands down on quick throws?
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2 deep safeties with underneath man coverage. LB on a greendog blitz because the back stayed in or a called blitz. Not a bad look for a QB with wheels to try and run for the 1st down IF downfield options aren't open and/or he gets flushed from the pocket.
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Do you know what Cover 5 is? Some use Cover 5 to refer to 2 deep man under i.e. '2 man'. I've also read Cover 5 as mix coverage where the 2 deep S's have coverage reads with the CBs. What do you mean when you say Cover 5? And how would describe what you saw the defenders (S, CBs and LB) doing on that play?
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We used Cover 5 as a 2 deep zone w/man coverage underneath. I have a hard time seeing [w/my aging eyes] those small gifs, but that is what that coverage looked like to me.
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We used Cover 5 as a 2 deep zone w/man coverage underneath. I have a hard time seeing [w/my aging eyes] those small gifs, but that is what that coverage looked like to me.
I wasn't really getting on your ass.....I was just trying to get you to think and clarify. Not everything is a war, ed. I agree. Not everything is a war, its good advice to take for everyone; yourself included. Not sure what about my previous reply prompted you to mention that sentiment? And to be clear I already stated in my initial breakdown that I thought it was 2-man. And if you knew 2-man was the same as Cover 5, there wouldn't be a need to ask 'wasn't that Cover 5' and there wouldn't be a need to ask me 'do I know what Cover 5 is' after I explained my thoughts on the coverage. I wouldn't care either way if you thought you were getting on my ass or not. That's not my issue that would be yours. Maybe next time you could think and clarify your thoughts?
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Also, the gifs are actually better to view on the phone because of the ease of enlarging the image.
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Dragging the gif to a new tab helps a bit too. How are you making these gifs? Did you download the game footage or are you using a screen capture tool and youtube vids? I'm very curious cuz I've been meaning to put a few in to some draft analysis.
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yep Gordon was the proper read.
Too bad the FB didn't complete his block or that play actually would have gotten a lot as the DE took a step in first then broke out to cover Crow...the FB missed the block. And it was legal as it was within 2 yards of the LOS so no pass Interference would not have been called.
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Hue Jackson Delivers Harsh Words On The Future Of DeShone Kizer Wednesday TOPICS:DeShone KizerHue Jackson Posted By: Eli Mooneyham December 20, 2017 Ever since Hue Jackson took the job as the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns back in 2016, the big hoopla about him was that he was a “quarterback guru”. Ah yes, hiring the former Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator would ultimately help the Browns find their franchise quarterback they have been searching high and low for since their return in 1999. Alas, that hasn’t been the case. Now in his second season as Cleveland’s head coach, Jackson has missed on more quarterbacks than he has won games. The list of failed experiments includes Robert Griffin III, Cody Kessler, Brock Osweiler, and Kevin Hogan. And while we didn’t want to declare him another failed project too soon, it is now time to add DeShone Kizer to that long list of disappointments. It has been a tumultuous rookie campaign for Kizer, who has had Jackson vouch for him and then very quickly had his coach throw him under the bus for the team’s letdowns. From being talked about as a guy they want to build around to being told he could be benched the next week, it hasn’t been easy for the former Notre Dame quarterback to adapt to life in the NFL. After these words by Jackson on Wednesday, it appears the only thing he’ll need to settle into is his spot on the bench. In the above tweet from Keith Britton, Jackson has already started to work his way out of the Kizer plan. After hurling nineteen interceptions to only nine overall touchdowns, the Browns head coach has decided to once again call it quits on a young signal-caller. While some of the struggles can be thrown on Kizer, a lot needs to be thrown on Hue Jackson’s ineptitude to call plays that fit his system and talent level that he has on that side of the ball. He didn’t hire an offensive coordinator due to the fact that he said he felt no one should be fired for not being able to coach the lack of skill on the offense. That is absolutely wrong and unjust, making it impossible for Kizer to succeed from the start. So it appears Cleveland will be drafting a quarterback in the first round this time around and will bring in a veteran presence to help with the transition. But as long as Hue Jackson is here and tells us to trust him, there is no shot of whoever is under center succeeding. Keith Britton ✔ @KeithBritton86 #Browns Hue Jackson full answer on drafting QB in 2nd rd: "I understand when you take a guy in the 2nd round, everybody suspects that that's the guy. We wish it is. You hope it is. But it it isn't, that's okay, too. And hopefully that guy will continue to grow and get better" 12:25 PM - Dec 20, 2017 well sounds like Kizer is done. On to Rosen. http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/hue-jackson-delivers-harsh-words-deshone-kizer-wednesday/
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I agree somewhat that Gordan was open, but should have sat down in the hole, he ran himself into coverage. He ran right into the spot where the guy covering Crowell could have stopped and peeled back a little if Kizer attempted the throw to Gordan. He sits in the hole he's wide. I don't remember, was this a first down play? If so why are we passing on first down in the shadow of our own endzone?
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I think Hue was seriously considering a change at quarterback until he thought about the consequences if we happen to win with either Kessler or Hogan. Can you imagine the outcry from fans, the media, if we won a game starting Kessler? "Why did you start Kizer all season, Hue?"
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I think Hue was seriously considering a change at quarterback until he thought about the consequences if we happen to win with either Kessler or Hogan. Can you imagine the outcry from fans, the media, if we won a game starting Kessler? "Why did you start Kizer all season, Hue?"
I think Hue's hubris will ultimately get him fired. He just had to run the ball and forget we even have a QB... nobody would blame him...
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Hue Jackson Delivers Harsh Words On The Future Of DeShone Kizer Wednesday TOPICS:DeShone KizerHue Jackson Posted By: Eli Mooneyham December 20, 2017 Ever since Hue Jackson took the job as the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns back in 2016, the big hoopla about him was that he was a “quarterback guru”. Ah yes, hiring the former Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator would ultimately help the Browns find their franchise quarterback they have been searching high and low for since their return in 1999. Alas, that hasn’t been the case. Now in his second season as Cleveland’s head coach, Jackson has missed on more quarterbacks than he has won games. The list of failed experiments includes Robert Griffin III, Cody Kessler, Brock Osweiler, and Kevin Hogan. And while we didn’t want to declare him another failed project too soon, it is now time to add DeShone Kizer to that long list of disappointments. It has been a tumultuous rookie campaign for Kizer, who has had Jackson vouch for him and then very quickly had his coach throw him under the bus for the team’s letdowns. From being talked about as a guy they want to build around to being told he could be benched the next week, it hasn’t been easy for the former Notre Dame quarterback to adapt to life in the NFL. After these words by Jackson on Wednesday, it appears the only thing he’ll need to settle into is his spot on the bench. In the above tweet from Keith Britton, Jackson has already started to work his way out of the Kizer plan. After hurling nineteen interceptions to only nine overall touchdowns, the Browns head coach has decided to once again call it quits on a young signal-caller. While some of the struggles can be thrown on Kizer, a lot needs to be thrown on Hue Jackson’s ineptitude to call plays that fit his system and talent level that he has on that side of the ball. He didn’t hire an offensive coordinator due to the fact that he said he felt no one should be fired for not being able to coach the lack of skill on the offense. That is absolutely wrong and unjust, making it impossible for Kizer to succeed from the start. So it appears Cleveland will be drafting a quarterback in the first round this time around and will bring in a veteran presence to help with the transition. But as long as Hue Jackson is here and tells us to trust him, there is no shot of whoever is under center succeeding. Keith Britton ✔ @KeithBritton86 #Browns Hue Jackson full answer on drafting QB in 2nd rd: "I understand when you take a guy in the 2nd round, everybody suspects that that's the guy. We wish it is. You hope it is. But it it isn't, that's okay, too. And hopefully that guy will continue to grow and get better" 12:25 PM - Dec 20, 2017 well sounds like Kizer is done. On to Rosen. http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/hue-jackson-delivers-harsh-words-deshone-kizer-wednesday/
QB guru possibly. Miracle Worker I think not.
Damaged RG3, a scared Kessler, Brock the terrible for crying out loud a team desperately needing a QB traded him and gave up their 2nd round pick to get rid of him that is how bad he was.
Hogan was a 5th round pick that was released by his team that drafted him...
Kizer just can't hit a broadside of the barn period.
Those who actually think Hue was to make something out of "NOTHING" is totally ridiculous.
You all can hate Hue all you want.
Fact is the more that comes out the more that I think Hue had NOTHING TO DO WITH QB decisions which was a moronic thing to do then again Sashi is gone for a reason.
What if you go and give Gordon Ramsey a rotten piece of meat with maggots and stuff crawling around with moldy spices and other rotten messes.
And then say come on you are a Cooking Guru make a 5 star meal out of this. This is what this BLOGGER is saying its not like he knows what he is talking about. He's a freaking blogger.
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Eotab...
And last year excuse was????
I understand that being top team with pass played called with a QB that cannot a hit broadside of a barn,may sound like the work of a genius HC...
Actually I don't understand at all... you have to be really stupid to do that...
And by the way, which great QB's has Hue ever coached? Unless Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton are considered good QB's, I would say NONE.
Very hard for a QB to overcome a bad OC and HC, so we can say that Hue defenders are trying to put boob implants on a Egyptian mummy...
Not excusing Kizer... Again one of those moments I think they both are to blame.
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Excuse btw is an insult don't care about within rules or not of the board...letting you know that is an insult to me. but cry me a river if I tear you a new one...lol 
But won't...what was Last years opinion.
Did you not watch last year.
Game one we lose our Starting QB...
Game two we lose our Back up QB...
then a 3rd round pick not even thought of to be part of the picture had to start 7 games???
And Hue had Kessler playing about as good as one could expect.
Kessler was expected to make the Sophmore leap that so many make but he became scared of the prospects of actually being an NFL QB and his confidence shattered not by HUE but by Kessler...what he was suppose to baby him in year two???
Excuse??? no talking football and knowing what I'm talking about.
If you cannot see why we lost last year and call the reasoning as simply an excuse how is that my fault. Or Hue's for that matter.
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the more that comes out the more that I think Hue had NOTHING TO DO WITH QB decisions which was a moronic thing to do then again Sashi is gone for a reason.
At the time the decisions were being made, it was expounded that Hue had significant input into the Qb decisions. Now that narrative has changed.
I have no idea which is true but I would love to know exactly what Hue's opinions were and how much that affected the decision process.
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I think it was a RACesque situation where he was in a marriage with a GM (even though the title was different)
and wanted to have a symbiotic relationship so he found himself giving in after all Sashi broke all ties. So basically he was on the team with Sheldon Cooper as the GM.
He wanted and tried to make it work but after so many things happened as we had opportunity after opportunity to get QBs here and he comes out in year 2 with Kizer, Kessler and Hogan as his options...then of course the 0 WINS and he is getting PO'd with each game and the McCarron thing was the icing on the cake...he had enough and took his case to the Haslam's
Sashi is now gone let Hue get his QB!!!
jmho - tough being a boxer with his hands tied...you can bob n weave only so much 
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I want to see Hue with what he wants, a defense like he wants it run, an OC/field manager assistant, and no mercy. Tell him upfront that the needs wins to stay. Don't fix blame, fix problems. BUT! If you don't fix problems, pack.
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But that is all supposition. Even though Sashi was the tie breaker, that doesn't mean all the decisions went against Hue.
Fact, none of us knows how much input Hue had. If you like Hue and want to keep him then he had very little. If you don't like Hue and want him gone then he he was driving the bus and Sashi is his fall guy.
The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
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