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Again with the same????

Sashi and the Harvard boys were responsible for the process who led to the hire of Hue.

This is like you saying Elan Musk hired all the Tesla employees... which is true,but the responsible for the hiring process and selection is HR


So let me rephrase it: Hue was selected by Sashi and hired by Dee.

Happy now?

Eo, still Flacco, Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton...

And I agree with your assessment on Kizer, but probably not for the same reasons...

The persistence of the Dumb decisions is what makes me say Kizer has no future.

It's not the question of being bad decisions, but some are just plain dumb... He guarantees 1 or 2 turnovers in every game, without any gains.

On top of that he has the accuracy problem and the bad decisions, but I think he can work on those.

On the plus side, Kizer does not have locker room problems, and has good work ethic, and a huge physical potential, but.....

3rd string QB would be the right place, IMHO. Pre-season game to assess his development and move on the depth chart or be cut in 2 seasons.

There were three QB's on the roster. You're suggesting he should not have started the best QB he had at his disposal.

Regardless, the dynamic wasn't going to work.

Since 1999 I don't think a GM has ever hired his own HC in Cleveland, have they? Maybe Palmer or Davis?

Savage didn't hire Romeo.
Mangini was hired then we brought in a GM.
Holmgren and not the GM hired Shurmur.
Banner was CEO and hired Chud.
Haslam hired Pettine and merged him with Farmer.
Haslam hired Hue and merged him with Sashi.

Yeesh.... let Dorsey hire his own coach!!

Eventually, Dorsey will get to hire his own coach. Unless the team suddenly starts to win with Hue.

We've been down this road.

Anyone else bothered by Hue Jackson saying it's okay if a second round pick fails, when that second round pick hasn't even completed his first season?

I think he should say every player he has on the roster should make the pro bowl. Blowing smoke up peoples asses is a much better view if reality.

Notice he didn't say he would fail or did fail. Just that it happens. Nice spin though.

Borrowing a quote from Jason McIntyre
There have been more Star Wars movies made in the last two years than there have been Cleveland Browns wins. I know Hue Jackson has a lot of defenders out there, but that’s historically bad.

Who said that? I just don't want him to throw players under the bus to save himself. It's a bad look and reveals his true colors. If you can't see that Hue Jackson is deflecting blame to make himself look better, than I don't know what you are seeing.

IDK what another coach could have done with this roster, nobody does, but the nearly 100% truth is no other coach could have done worse. Well, I guess one game worse.

So saying some second round picks fail and that's okay is throwing someone under the bus? You're reading a lot more into that than I am.

1. The second round pick is still on the team (and starting).

2. It is not okay if a second round pick fails (as we have seen with all our failed second round picks).

Ah, so "some second round picks fail and that's okay", is talking about Kizer and nobody else. Thanks for your interpretation of what he said.

“We did not draft a quarterback in the first round and say, ‘This is our quarterback of the future.’ We took a quarterback. We are trying to grow him. We have a very young quarterback room. We need to continue to improve that room as much as we can as we move forward for it to be the best it can be," Jackson said.

"I understand when you take a guy in the second round, everybody suspects that that is the guy. We wish it is. You hope it is, but if it isn’t, that is OK, too. Hopefully, that guy will continue to grow and get better, but you also have to get better at the position.”

I am sure he was talking about Ogbah there, certainly wasnt a QB lol

He was literally responding to a question about Kizer.

Except if most o the fans are right and indeed Hue is the worst coach on NFL history and a mediocre one at best.

Its proved that Hue cannot identify nor develop talent and we get another bad QB.

The we lose the first 3-4 games in the season, he is fired, like he should have been last season, and we implode the team...

If you don't fire a coach that in not able to meet the goals, shows the complete lack of integrity and spine to not take responsibility of his actions and throws is boss and his team under the bus, shows that he has no word you can trust, so you cannot ever know what he signed for...

I wouldn't want coach to be the head of the cleaning team...

Yet you say there is no arm...

Can you imagine any other place where people would say that?

A general saying he lost the war because the soldiers are not real soldiers and the head of state was a lawyer?

Keep up with the good work....

Priority 1.. Stick to the plan ....get 2018 #1 Pick. Then let the Rams or some other team fleece it away from us.

Okay so why do you think that's wrong? Kizer was the fourth QB taken at the #52 pick in the draft. I honestly believe anyone who didn't already know exactly what Hue said has to be a moron.

Knowing something and saying publicly are two different things. What's the point of saying these things about Kizer other than for Hue Jackson to say "I got stuck with a bad QB, don't blame me for our poor play"?

I believe Hue was involved with these decisions and Sashi "took one for the team."

I see no way that Hue wasn't involved. It may ultimately not have been his decision(s), but he bought into it...

You keep reading more into this than I do. We all know we will be drafting a QB in the first round this upcoming draft. We all know we have to get better at the QB position. I'm not sure having a firm grasp of the obvious is such a bad thing.

I guess maybe waiting until draft day when we all see this play out live would help the feelings of some posters. Not that it really would change anything.

I don't actually care about Kizer. I hope/know we will be picking a QB. It's the reasoning behind saying it publicly. Why say it?

https://twitter.com/liter_a_cola/status/943843665469935616

I'm going to be a little sarcastic here but I hope you get the point anyway. lol

I hope the next HC has experience in being a motivational speaker. He should have at least five years experience as a speech writer and has to have been a former White House Press Secretary in order to be hired as the next HC. Without such experience he may not know exactly what to say every time he is asked a question. He may make some comments that seem counter productive or ill advised.

But above all, his communication skills should come first and we should always expect him to say the perfect thing on every occasion. If not, we should make hugely wild accusations regarding his intent.

I hope that helps explain my position.

Well it was posted on Twitter so it has to be true.

Belicheck has the people skills of a cornered racoon, but I doubt even he wouldn't throw his players under the bus like this. Players that fall out of favor just get traded to Cleveland. :-p

I dunno, man... there's just a fine line between criticism and what Hue is doing (imo).

So your saying there is not one person in the entire FOOTBALL world ready to be a NFL Coach ??

I would vote for Frank Reich OC Eagles

I didn't say it here in that last post, but I don't want Hue fired... but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a bunch of heat for his handling of Kizer.

I don't want to replace Hue, but only because I don't want to restart the reboot right now. We're about to cash in all that draft capital from the reboot and get some talent in here.

Memo to all: just because Sashi sucked doesn't mean Hue is good. And just because Hue sucks doesn't mean Sashi was good. True, there are degrees of suck, but make no mistake; they both suck. Bigly.

It was a quote from an article written by long time Cleveland reporter Tom Reed.

https://twitter.com/LacesOutShow/status/943953219407024128

This is the football version of Michael Flynn leading a "Lock her up chant". Cringeworthy with hindsight.

In Hue's defence, it was a loaded question.

Mary Kay was actually awful with her questions, and continues on her decline as she becomes a terrible journalist. Firstly, she asked what Hue thought of Trubisky as a prospect, and asked if it was "real" that "you guys" went down to the wire between "Mitch and..." Hue cut her off with a hard, "No, We drafted Myles."

The second question, of which the quote is circulating, was regarding the Bears having anointed Trubisky their QB of the future, and where Deshone stands on that spectrum for Jackson.

Mary Kay knows Jackson isn't going to anoint Kizer, just as he isn't going to say he's not the guy, so she'll get the negativity that she craves in a non-committal answer.

"Everyone suspects that's the guy. We wish it is. You hope it is. But if it isn't, that's okay too. And hopefully that guy will continue to grow and get better, but you also have to continue to get better at the position."

I think that's the best answer any of us could ask for. Don't quit on Kizer. If he wants to take a Wentz/Goff leap next year, heck yeah. If that doesn't happen, we should have options due to a continued effort to get better at the quarterback position.

Both times, Mary Kay asked a loaded question because she knew the answer would provide her the quote she needed for her narrative. Right now, that's building upon old draft rumors as she prepares articles for the upcoming draft that will be quarterback centralized. She'll give it validity with Jackson's non-committal answers, and pump out a lot of clicks on another year of selling QB-mania.

I appreciate the honesty from Jackson. The Bears can anoint Trubisky all they want - his future is just as uncertain as Kizer. Media fronting like their dedication to his second year means we "missed" on him, or that Kizer has no future, just isn't normal. Hue's answer was normal.

He said some great things about Kizer, too.

On Kizer's confidence - "Any quarterback who has been under the duress that he has, that's a struggle, but I think Deshone is still a very confident person and still a confident player. That being said, are there some scars? You better know there are. I don't think there's any quarterback that goes through what he's been through that doesn't have them, but there has been many players before him that's been in some similar situations that's had the same scares. Maybe not to this extent, but they'd have 'em, and they find a way to come back out of them, and have great careers. I think we know that, and that's what we anticipate from him. Again, he's a young player, and if he couldn't handle it, we wouldn't stick him back out there. I truly believe that he can. That's part of my process with my staff, of looking at this too, and that's why I said what I said after the game, that I was going to look at what's best for all involved, and if I didn't think he could handle it, I wouldn't put him back out there, but he's ready to go and excited about playing."

On Kizer saying he feels like he's packed four or five years of experience in to one season - "It's going to feel like that. He's been through a lot. The issues are well documented, the successes that he's had, the little ones that he's had, those are documented too. What he has to do is continue to have more good times than bad. I think that's to-a-man on our football team. I think we're all chasing that. I think that's what has eluded everybody. I think he gets it, it's hard, but this is a hard sport for hard people. This is not an easy sport. So you've got to continue to grow from it and learn from it, and then hopefully in the future, these experiences that he's been through now will pay off for him."

On preference towards accentuating positives or harping on the negatives at this point in the season - "I talk about the positives, I try to more than the negatives, because the negatives are there for everybody to see. Those are the things that people talk about the most. There are some things that are negative that you want to continue to work at, and improve on, but at the same time I don't think beating him down is the best way to go. I think trying to get him to be the best version of himself is what we have to do and that's what we try to accomplish."

He also was protective of the team;

"This is a young football team. This is a very young football team. Maybe the youngest in the league. That's trying to get better. Works hard every day. That goes out to games and gives it everything they have. Sometimes it doesn't go as well. Sometimes they fight like a dickens. We still have a lot of work to do here to get this organization, the football team, and all involved to where we need to be, and that's what we're working at."

On Jabrill not making excuses for playing too deep - "He has, he's been outstanding. As a lot of our guys have. A lot of these young guys, they're grateful, and thankful for the opportunity. They're learning their way in the national football league what works for them. Again, I commend the men in that room, they come here every week with the right mindset, the right attitude towards work, to get better, to go do anything they can to go win a football game. That's what we've got to continue to try to do."

That's what I like to see from Hue Jackson, and any coach. He spoke about how rough things have been for Kizer, but consistently mentioned a long-term future. He spoke about how rough things have been for the team in general, but consistently spoke about their youth, which is undoubtedly a factor in the struggles, and their fight, which is undoubtedly a positive that can be taken away from the season.

Hue is at his best when he's like this.