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Cleveland Browns running back Isaiah Crowell hasn’t been utilized properly this season, making it hard to imagine he wants to return to the team in 2018.

The Cleveland Browns have a talented running back in Isaiah Crowell, who likely could reach 1,000 yards easily if given the opportunity. The last part of that sentence is the key.

Crowell got off to a nice start last Sunday, picking up 72 yards on five carries before halftime. He would not receive another carry the rest of the game.


This leaves Crowell with 788 rushing yards with two games remaining, once again set to finish below the 1,000-yard mark because of a lack of opportunities.

The next storyline surrounding Crowell will be what he decides to do in the offseason, even if John Dorsey wants to re-sign him and bring him back to Cleveland. Regardless of the money, it would be hard to imagine Crowell wanting to stay here if Hue Jackson is the coach.

An article on ESPN.com by Pat McManamon detailed how Crowell was upset after Sunday’s game, and for good reason.

From the article:

“I’m not being selfish,” he said. “I feel like I can help more if I have more opportunities. I’m not being selfish because I know we have other playmakers on the team also, and I want them to get their share too. I just feel like, five carries, I don’t think that’s … I’m upset with it.”
Five carries is absurd, especially considering how inconsistent DeShone Kizer has been all season at quarterback. Why is he being forced to throw so much when Crowell and Duke Johnson are eager to carry the ball, and having success doing it? It just makes zero sense.

Hue Jackson seems unable to call a game that suits his players, which could be taken as a shot at the way Sashi Brown assembled the team. But Brown is now gone and Jackson is doing the same things over and over, driving Browns fans deeper into the pit of misery.

Crowell may not be a big name in free agency, but he has the benefit of not taking as many hits as most running backs his age. It sounds like a joke that a talented player on the Browns is benefitting by mismanagement, but sadly it is the truth.

And when it comes to the offseason, Crowell wanting to return would be a major surprise.

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/12/21/cleveland-browns-dont-plan-isaiah-crowell-returning-2018/

I guess this could have gone inside a "hue" thread. But it's just as much about the Crow.

after last season Hue stated that he had gotten away from the run and this year he would be more focused on running the ball more.

Clearly that was not the case.

I cannot imagine Crow would want to come here with the lack of touches and abandoning the run so often...don't blame him one bit for being upset.

this is not a fire Hue thread...it's about what to do.

If Crow rightly chooses not to return to Cleveland. what do we do about the position which clearly is not a priority for us.

Do we roll with Duke and Mayes?

Does it make sense to draft Barkley knowing we hardly ever run the ball?

Do we just try to get Minkah?

I would love love Rosen and Barkley in one draft...huge off. boost imo....but damn hard to draft him unless we are going to get him a ton of touches.

idk thought I'd throw in another topic for us to kick around..

Personally, I don't think it makes sense to target Saquon Barkley.

Watch some Ronald Jones, Nick Chubb, Sony Michel, L.J Scott, Bryce Love, Derrius Guice, Kerryon Johnson, Rashaad Penny, Damien Harris, Josh Adams, Bo Scarborough, Bryce Love, etc. A large number of these players will be entering the draft.

The 2018 draft is almost indulgently loaded with talent. It's going to be downright decadent. I wouldn't be shocked if this draft produces five high quality starting running backs.

If Crowell leaves, we're not going to be short on options when it comes to who our starting running back will be, who'll naturally split carries with Duke Johnson.

It also looks like a fantastic free agency period that could include the likes of Le'Veon Bell, Jeremy Hill, Jerick McKinnon, Charles Sims, Carlos Hyde, Orleans Darkwa and, if you want the risk, Eddie Lacy.

There are also some teams with too much RB talent. Philly will need to offload some, while Yeldon and Ivory undoubtedly aren't both needed behind Fournette.

With so much talent, I just couldn't take Barkley. The kid is special. He's going to be an excellent running back, but it's a no from me. The price is too high for a position so often filled on the cheap.

I'm currently sitting on Rosen/Darnold, and then pray to all gods that we can get our hands on Fitzpatrick with the other pick. I'm fine with running back in the second or third round, but I'd love a savvy free agent signing like Hyde or McKinnon.

I've assumed since about week 4 that Crow wasn't returning. It doesn't make much sense. Not that I think he's awful, but I think we can find someone equal or better. Plus, he probably doesn't want to return either.

Find a guy who lifts his legs and doesn't fall over seemingly nothing.
A punishing back is in order here.

I will say this though: for someone who wasn't drafted to stick around this long and be this productive (especially in CLEVELAND) is pretty commendable

Hue's biggest flaw is not running the ball second only to his hate of getting some easy points off a field goal.

Crowell started at Georgia as a Freshman. His talent has always been undeniable. I think we've squandered it over 4 years. Even if he does have the balance of a drunkard, he's still a 1k yard rusher.

The thing is a 1k rusher is a dime a dozen and is not much of an impact. Crow's problem is that he has too many moments where he gets frozen and takes too long to make a decision to hit the hole. I'd rather have a HB that sees the hole and instantly hits it like second nature than one like crow who gets lost in thought thinking where to go.

I've defended Hue, but the lack of run play calls is definitely an issue. It's something he called himself out on a year ago and it hasn't really improved. I would really like to see him pick up an offensive coordinator and cede playcalling duties. My first choice would be Bill Lazor if he becomes available.

I really like Ronald Jones. Barkley and Guice are great as well but it will take a 1st rounder to get them. Jones can be had at the bottom of the 2nd or 3rd and imo is going to be a very solid pro....this year's Kareem Hunt to me

I like Crow, I think he is a good back. Two knocks I have against him his balance, he seems to go down easily with contact or even just stumble and fall making cuts. And his top speed, he has a good burst but when he breaks free he always gets ran down by defensive backs. The more I watch of Barkley, man this guy is really something. Vision, balance, power, speed, every time he breaks free he is a threat to take it to the house. Looks like we will be picking 1 and 4 at least maybe better. We take a qb at 1 for sure, be awfully tempting to snag barkley with our second if he is still there. Not our most pressing need but wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtBKDkgVVMY

Kerryon Johnson in the 2nd round.

Johnson is intriguing

I'm good with QB, Secondary, Playmaker with the top 3 picks

I disagree. He is talented, but still a middle of the road back. He lacks vision and seems at times to give up on runs. I have seen him get tackled by more half *** one arm tackles than just about any other back. I have also seen him break and run people over. **That tells me he takes plays off, and often.

I think its time to cut bait, and will not be hurt when we do.

Is this real life?



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I hate Hue.

We already knew that.

Who cares? Crowell is garbage. He can go somewhere else and worry about his paycheck in the huddle. Goodbye loser.

The Sashi-haters are trying to figure out how to spin that incredible display of incompetency.

But at the beginning of the week, I want Hue here with an OC! He just starts talking unfortunately

Hell, I miss Vers right now because of all the Hue bashing. Hue does do a lot of cool things with play designs and helps QBs grow. However, some of his decisions are just mind boggling. For example, running the same run play twice where you have a TE coming on a trap block is ridiculous. He should've expected that they would sell out against the run after a 59 yard run play and called a different play, preferably a play action.

If those are true, then at that point Hue was hurting this team.

Ask Hue, about going back to the play again, ...

Ask him if on a subsequent play the hole might be there again?

While I know that RB isn't as pivotal as it used to be, I like Crow. I also don't see the need to create more holes when there are already so many others that stick out.





I really wish the Browns ran more playaction. Kizer has to have one of the most gawd-awful play fakes I have ever seen. Never liked the guy, but I remember my uncle pointing out how good Boomer Esiason was in that aspect, while watching games with him when I was little. That dude could make the ball disappear.

I don't hate him, but I am getting sick of his excuse making, failure to take responsibility, blame everyone else, can't coach a game using basic fundamentals bull feces. Real sick of it.

Folks can pick sides ( Pro or Con ) Hue all day long ---- But when you defend a Coach that runs the Ball all of twelve times a game ; You my friends are NUTS ! Now if your QB is Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers OK ...lol

Really? It's ok to "garbage" one of your top 7 players on offense, in the offseason, again,

Before you add anybody else to the team who beats them out for the roster spot by out performing them?


This is why the Browns lose year after year.

This is the same scenario they've done, a thousand times before. (seems like a thousand)

Everybody from Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz, to Montario Hardesty and What's his name, (the slow popular runningback in 2011-12-13.)

Isaiah Crowell may Stink! But he's better than what you have otherwise, until the others step up and take his place!

And This is a LOUSY THREAD TITLE, only going to encourage in peoples minds that we lose another veteran player with no suitable option to replace them.

( And what is the opportunity cost of what you are going to spend on the decision to replace him?)

Sounds like another Jason McCourty/Joe Haden situation.

The team got Worse after the signing, But they didn't have too
Because they could have played side by side!

And if you don't bring back Crowell, and spend a draft pick on a runningback, A top one, then what would happen to What you could have used that draft pick on, for another area of the team that could get better.

And what also would happen if the next runningback comes in and turns into just as effective at Rb, as Justin Gilbert was at Cb.

It's Wrong to cut veterans in Feb. March, and April. and not see what pans out of the new guys at least through August, until you can KNOW as an organization what the new guys will do.

Fixed it for you...

YES!


I wouldn't expect Crow to get an offer, or we low ball him. Ironically, many of the anti-sashi folks would be ok with this, yet this situation is really no different than the Gipson situation they were complaining about... The difference we'll hear is about how it was a "football guy" who made the decision not a "lawyer."

I'll throw a name out there in the dig deep category.. Ty Johnson from Maryland. I personally think, considering the depth of this class he should return for his senior season.. but if he doesn't, I think he's going to be very good.

It's a homer thing to do, pimping a Terp... but I pimped Stefon Diggs when almost nobody knew who he was, said he was a victim of horrible QB play at Maryland.. I got that one right. I think I'm right again, Maryland's OL is barely average and this kid averaged almost 7 yards per carry.

Tradition.

The gigantic difference between us low-balling Crow vs low-balling Gipson is that we needed (and still need) a good FS (also, Gipson was hurt on and off throughout negotiations, IIRC). With how Hue calls the game, we really can just plug in whoever at RB. Honestly, they really just need to be a good blocker.

Why would anyone chase the RB position with bug bucks or a high draft pick with how we called the Packers game?

Crowell's liked tweets

"IF" Hue Returns you can forget about us drafting Barkley ... JMHO

Hue is toast.