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I've figured it out, Hue gets dumber after each loss.

maybe.. but he is our hc next year lol

This is where I am at as well. I don't want to be lumped in with the guys who bash him and the staff relentlessly and at times unfairly. However, the lack of accountability and more importantly throwing everyone he can under the bus to deflect criticism
is concerning.

I'm not at the point yet where I do not want to retain Hue, but I'm getting there quicker than I thought possible a short while ago.

I doubt it.

I think Hue said that because Crowell told the press he wanted more carries (etc.)... That's the only reason I can think of.

Regardless, Hue doesn't have too many fans left here in Cleveland.

Crow's last few games have been pretty good, but if he walks? I won't be upset...(unless his replacement is worse, then I'll complain nonstop )!

we always complain about creating more holes by letting players walk. Crowell is a solid running back, does not have breakaway speed but he has done a good job for us. If we gave him 25 carries he would gain 100 yds most games. with our offensive struggles I wish he got more work and I really wish we were going to keep him but I do not see that happening.

I've always thought Crowell went down too easily after being touched. He doesn't seem to lift his feet, and he goes down way too easily on ankle tackles. That being said, he could be productive in this offense.

I seem to recall cincitucky running the ball quite often when hue was there, so I don't understand his reluctance to use Crowell. We could always use an upgrade at RB, but we desperately need one at QB. I'd draft an RB if he stays or not, just not that high a draft pick. Unfortunately, the new NFL has made these guys expendable and easily replaceable, unless you get a bettis or a Campbell.

ESPN.com: NFL

Friday, December 22, 2017

Browns coach Hue Jackson responds to Isaiah Crowell's desire for carries

By Pat McManamon

Hue Jackson had a discussion with running back Isaiah Crowell about Crowell's publicly stated desire to carry the ball more, Jackson said Friday.

"Guys get frustrated when they want the ball; I get it," Jackson said. "He feels like he can help do more and help the team. I totally understand. Just how we handle those things is important, just as important to me as anything, and he understands.

"We will go from there."

Crowell had said he felt he could help the team with more carries. He is one of three NFL backs to average 4.4 or more yards per carry in each of the past two seasons, but had just five carries in the loss to Baltimore on Sunday and doesn't have 20 carries in a game this season.

Part of the reason is that Duke Johnson is running the ball well, and quarterback DeShone Kizer gets some runs off the read-option.

Crowell said he was disappointed that after a 59-yard run against the Ravens he got just one more carry the rest of the game. He has run for 501 yards the past seven games, 5.7 per carry.

Jackson offered some perspective on the long run when he said big gains like that do not necessarily inspire playcallers to use the back more.

"No, me and you, all five of us could have run through that hole," Jackson said. "Go back and look at the play so I'm not saying that. Inspiring runs, just so we are all on the same page, are when you break tackles. It is the tough runs. It is when everybody is knocking the crap out of you and you find a way to still make 4 or 5 yards. That is running in the National Football League.

"When everything is blocked pretty and you can just run down up through there, that doesn't happen but once or twice in a game. Not saying that Crow doesn't do that. He does it well for us, but I'm just saying you guys are talking about a run that -- I'm being very honest -- we all could have run through.

"What I'm looking for is more of the grunt, tough-type of runs that I know that you have to have in the National Football League from our runners, period. I think they gave us some. We have to continue to do more, and that is where we are."

Crowell has had a couple of noteworthy runs not work out. On fourth-and-1 against Cincinnati, he was stopped for a loss. On a key third down against Green Bay, he tripped going into a hole and could not convert.

Jackson said when the Browns ran the same play that produced the 59-yarder later in the game, they lost 2 yards.

"Every hole is not going to be a 59-yard run," Jackson said. "Sometimes you have to make your holes as a back, and I think the backs understand that."

Jackson did concede that there might have been times this season he got away from the run too quickly. The Browns have thrown the ball 62.05 percent of the time, eighth highest in the league.

"We get behind, and I hate to say it -- I'm just being very honest -- I think sometimes I have gotten away from it a little too quickly," Jackson said. "But there are times where in order to score points, the fastest way to get there is throwing the football.

"There are not many 59-yard, 75-yard, 85-yard runs in the National Football League. That doesn't happen. It is more pass plays that give you more chunk yardage then there are runs.

"I get it. I understand the criticism. We have run the ball better over the last five or six weeks. We will continue to do so. Hopefully we will finish the year running the ball better.

"I think we started way low in the National Football League running. I think we are making a jump. Now, we just have to keep going."


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21848...re-more-carries

Would Bill Belichick ever say something like that to the press?

"I wasn't inspired by that catch Gronk made. He was wide open. You or I could have caught that pass. We ran that play again and it was incomplete."

One of my earliest memories of Browns' football was seeing Jim Brown go 80 yards for a touchdown on a sweep. I was like "Wow, what a great run!". Now I realize that was stupid of me, because nobody touched Jim Brown on that run, so it wasn't really that hard to do. Any of us could prolly have done it ...

So, I might have a place in the league even though I run an 8 second 40? Cool!!!

Put me in coach!!!

Belichick would never be 1-31.. Hue is garbage..I pray Cincy comes calling, don't saddle our GM with this cartoon

Sensible offer and stay or do not. If he wants to see a FA price, maybe we let him go see.

Just not listening to much drama and nonsense at all with a RB on an Oh fer team.

QB first. Somebody to go with Duke. Crowell? Free to go.

Keep Crow. Fire Hue. The End.

Crowell is a 1000 yard back. Easy. If he had gotten the chances, he'd be at 1500.

I'm pretty reserved when it comes to bashing Hue, but his comments towards Crow irk the heck out of me.

I'm all for continuity, because its something we have lacked here for quite some time. However, if there is a better coach available, including offensive coordinator, we need to do due diligence and look to see if it may be a better fit.

Hue's playcalling, the balance between run/pass, is horrid. Not to mention the balance of helping a young rookie QB. Where is the play action?? And why are we running Crow with a ton of inside zones, when thats not his strong suit?

Seriously. Hue is throwing everyone under the bus lately. First Kizer. Now Crow.

Something stinks here. And it ain't our players.

2015 Cinn, 7th in rushing att. 467, att/g. 29.2

2014 Cinn, 6th in rushing att 492, att/g. 30.8

2013 Cinn, 8th in rushing att 481, att/g. 30.1

2016 Browns, 31th in rushing att 350, att/g. 21.9

2017 Browns (so far) 25th in rushing att 337, att/g. 24.1

looks like we are running the around 120 times less here in Cleveland.

I guess that comes out to around 7.5 times less a game then he did in Cinn.

Is Hue trying to get fired? Not sure how anyboby in their right mind can defend this jackass.

He didn't throw Crow under the bus. Hue was merely pointing out that he's as good a running back as Crow.

Are you even serious? Can you please go read the highlighted text again? Thanks.

I loathe Crowell for his police Instagram picture and can't wait until he is no longer a part of the Cleveland Browns... I think Crowell is a perfectly average running back who can be replaced easily by anyone with a functioning brain selecting players...

I also think Crowell was off to a nice start last Sunday and if you're gonna have someone on the team and they're having a good day, you might as well use them... What Hue Jackson said about the 59 yard run may - no, was - the dumbest friggin' thing I've heard out of him so far, and that's saying a lot.

Hue Jackson is an idiot.

I do believe he was being sarcastic.

I am starting to think Hue just maybe trying to talk his way out of this team...go back to Cincy when Lewis is canned.

I really see Marvin coming over at this point...I could be way off base...but man

Throwing all your players under a bus is a good way to talk yourself out of town....

Sure is. This one left me confused. Not sure why the heck he would do this. He'd have been better off saying most anything.


I'd like to see Crowell back next year. He runs hard and is a good combo with Duke Johnson.

We have a ton of cap room, he's comfortable with the O-Linemen we have here, and this locker room.


I always feel like Free Agency brings a lot of unknown. Why open up another hole ALA Terrelle Pryor and Kenny Britt?

It certainly is an interesting strategy ....

I asked the question the other day ..... How does Hue respond to Dorsey when Dorsey asks him why he went away from the run last week and pretty much all year .....

Makes me wonder just how well these two are actually “meshing” as they get to know one another .... and that is a LEGITE QUESTION to ask Hue ....

And Hue sure is acting wierd .... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...

I am afraid it is a marriage that is doomed.

I think he's replaceable..

While Crowell is replaceable, so is Hue.

The team quit on Hue a year ago. Just because they're trying to avoid going winless doesn't mean they haven't.

Analytics would look at upgrading the bus driver, I suspect. Sure is crowded under there!

Nobody blames the bus driver. Ever.

Nonsense aside, tell Crow to put up and shut up. He doesn't play like he wants to be here, seems to keep having these interviews to spew about his happiness quotient or some such.
Hate it. Hue needs to run more. List the number of 2017 breakaway runs. Me neither.
Go Browns!

Crow is much more replaceable than Hue. You can draft Crow's replacement. Hue's you have to find someone willing to take the job. With the stench of the last few years looming and Haslem's public notification Hue will be here in 2018, very few would trust Haslem enough to sign up if he walks on that proclamation.

regardless of crow I hope our second first round pick gets used on barkley if he is available. Barkley has insane hips and balance and he has some soft hands for catching the ball that is insane.

Seems to me like we've never had a problem finding a hire. We've never had a coach though.

To continue over-looking that as a prerequisite meets the definition of crazy.

We have not run the ball nearly enough this year or last year for that matter. Why we haven't is a question I don't understand. Crow is a capable back. He should have been used more as well as Johnson. Just another should have, could have, oh well there's always next year.

Crow is a decent back but he is easily replaceable especially with all the picks we have. I would figure on him leaving with all the stories that have been coming out recently. It is a deep draft for RB's so we should be able to get someone good.