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https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ships-spotted-illegally-selling-153038072.html

U.S. spy satellites have captured images of Chinese ships illegally selling oil to North Korea vessels on the West Sea 30 times in the past three months, according to a South Korean newspaper.

Ship-to-ship trades with North Korea on the high seas are forbidden under United Nations sanctions adopted in September. The U.S. Treasury Department also placed six North Korean shipping companies on a sanctions list on November 21.

But according to South Korea’s The Chosun Ilbo, satellites have captured large Chinese and North Korean ships gathering side by side and trading oil. The high-quality spy satellites even show the names of the vessels.

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One satellite picture, reportedly taken on October 19, shows a ship called Ryesonggang 1 trading the commodity with a Chinese vessel.

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Chinese and North Korean vessels attempt to conduct a ship-to-ship transfer of oil, according to this photo reportedly taken from a U.S. spy satellite on October 19. The spy satellite captured images of Chinese ships secretly selling oil to the pariah state 30 times in the past three months. U.S. Treasury

A South Korean government source told The Chosun Ilbo: “We need to focus on the fact that the illicit trade started after a U.N. Security Council resolution in September drastically capped North Korea’s imports of refined petroleum products.”

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The covert trading began shortly after the sanctions were introduced to limit North Korea’s oil supply, in a bid to stop Kim Jong Un from further expanding the country’s nuclear and missile defense systems.

China is North Korea’s main source of fuel. On Tuesday, Chinese customs data claimed that November marked the second consecutive month Beijing did not send gasoline or diesel to North Korea. The data suggested China was going above and beyond the sanctions imposed by the U.N. to cap oil supplies to North Korea.

It is unclear whether the Chinese government is giving permission for these illegal deals to occur, but the large quantities of oil being traded makes it unlikely that officials are oblivious to the West Sea transactions.

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China’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying dismissed the reports on Wednesday. She told local press that she was not aware of The Chosun Ilbo article and then reminded the public that only ships on the Security Council list are completely banned from trade, The Financial Times reported.

“I want to ask you if these ships are on the list of the U.N. Security Council,” she said.

“If they are not on the list, then how can we be sure that they are violating Security Council resolutions? If there is solid evidence that Chinese persons have violated the Security Council resolution, then we will deal with this according to the law.”

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Dang those Chinese! Where the hell did they learn Capitalism?

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A South Korean government source told The Chosun Ilbo: “We need to focus on the fact that the illicit trade started after a U.N. Security Council resolution in September drastically capped North Korea’s imports of refined petroleum products.”

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Well, now we know what you do when reading about the Chinese.

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Are you gonna comment on the actual article, or continue to deflect and act childish?


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haha, so triggered in the mornings.

You act like this is a surprise. China is going to do what's best for China, they do not care about US/UN sanctions, either placed by trump or Obama or the boogey man. If you believed for one minute that China was not going to be selling goods to NK - I have a bright shiny bridge for sale.

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This just proves that cutting the U.N. donation is a good decision.


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So you admit that trump has no respect from other world leaders.

Cool.


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China owns Trump just like Putin, they know all they have to do is throw him a compliment or two and he's putty in their hands,

New nickname alert "Silly Putty Trump"


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Originally Posted By: Swish
So you admit that trump has no respect from other world leaders.

Cool.
Trump, Obama, bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc. Its not a partisan thing, no matter how much you want it to be. China looks out for China, as should the US look out for the US. That's why that "America First" slogan was so catchy in the campaign thumbsup

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This just proves that cutting the U.N. donation is a good decision.
Just another reason why the UN is a joke. Nothing more than a political gesture to other countries.

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This just proves that cutting the U.N. donation is a good decision.


The U.S. debt to China is $1.2 trillion as of October 2017. That's 19 percent of the $6.3 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $20 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

So now what?


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Our other presidents weren’t stupid enough to give countries like China those kinds of ultimatums in the first place.


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Originally Posted By: MrTed
This just proves that cutting the U.N. donation is a good decision.


Except that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Two unrelated issues.


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This just proves that cutting the U.N. donation is a good decision.


Except that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Two unrelated issues.


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Ship-to-ship trades with North Korea on the high seas are forbidden under United Nations sanctions adopted in September.
Actually, the topic is about UN Sanctions, not TRUMP sanctions. So it seems you are off topic. China doesn't respect the UN, however you have tried to spin it to make it about Trump. Its ok, we all see your bias and hate still. Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

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The reduced spending on the U.N. came from the body voting to condemn trump over Jerusalem.

It had nothing to do with THESE set of sanctions against NK.

I know you lack the ability to separate issues and like to lump everything together, but that’s not how foreign policy works.


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The reduced spending on the U.N. came from the body voting to condemn trump over Jerusalem.

It had nothing to do with THESE set of sanctions against NK.

I know you lack the ability to separate issues and like to lump everything together, but that’s not how foreign policy works.
Your article is about SANCTIONS placed in September that China is ignoring. You the posted after the article, it was about Trump. SMH. When its written on a page you posted, its hard to refute, you might want to go back and edit it to coincide with your flipping. Don't pull anything, cause you trying to deflect the fact you tried to make china ignoring UN sanctions about Trump are a big stretch. rofl

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So you are trying to claim that the reduce spending on the U.N. is about NK, and not Jerusalem?

Do you try to be this ignorant, or does it come natural?


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So you are trying to claim that the reduce spending on the U.N. is about NK, and not Jerusalem?

Do you try to be this ignorant, or does it come natural?
are you this dense or is that natural?

You posted an article about China not adhering to UN sanctions and tried to blame that as them not respecting trump, when IN FACT it is them not respecting the UN as it is UN SANCTIONS.

You then tried to discredit another poster saying they were not "on topic" when you posted the article, whose TOPIC is about CHINA and UN sanctions - yet you tried to make it about Trump. Which is OFF TOPIC.

Its a message board, it is literally spelled out for you.

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trying to deflect the fact you tried to make china ignoring UN sanctions about Trump are a big stretch. rofl



rofl Whatabout Trump ignoring and not implementing the new U.S. sanctions on Russia?


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You jumped in a convo that had nothing to do with you.

The U.N. sanctions against NK had NOTHING to do with Teds comments on reducing spending, as that was a separate issue.

And yea I related that to trump, as the US were the ones pushing the sanctions in the first place!!

^^ do you not get that? You’re only proving my point the more you post.

The US were the ones pushing for the UN to place sanctions on NK. If you actually had the ability to follow along with world events, you’d know that.

But that’s my fault for actually assuming you were a smart dude. I know from here on out, I have to post the entire timeline of events on issues because Willit doesn’t possess the ability to follow along with foreign policy matters.

So I apologize for believing you kept up with world issues. I promise I won’t make that mistake again.

And just to make sure I wasn’t tripping, I looked back, and sure enough, I was talking to Ted’s specific comments and explaining to him that those two issues weren’t related. But right on que, Diam..ugh,I mean 40.... damn, I mean you came through to defend something that wasn’t true.

So let me explain it to you again: China not adhering to U.N. sanctions has NOTHING to do with why the US reduced spending to the UN, as the reason for that was the UNs resolution that condemned trumps actions on Jerusalem.

Two separate issues. I can not explain it any clearer than that.


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As far as the ORIGINAL topic, yes, i laugh at trump because no other president was dumb enough to present ultimatums like that in the first place.

Oh.. I forgot already, I have to break it down.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/mnuchin-north-korea-sanctions/index.html

So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?

Trump put himself in a box when it comes to this issue, instead of maintaining flexibility like our past presidents and other world leaders have correctly done.


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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?



Blah blah blah China Blah blah blah North Korea

The point is that the UN hasn't enforced anything its had a resolution about for as long as I can remember.

Whether the money was about Jerusalem or not, it's money well saved.


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Blah blah blah China Blah blah blah North Korea

The point is that the UN hasn't enforced anything its had a resolution about for as long as I can remember.

Whether the money was about Jerusalem or not, it's money well saved.

The point of the UN is to maintain the political status quo, not be an agent for change or defenders of the people.

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I’d say blah blah blah too if I got caught not knowing what I was talking about.


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I’d say blah blah blah too if I got caught not knowing what I was talking about.



I know exactly what I'm talking about.


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I’d say blah blah blah too if I got caught not knowing what I was talking about.



I don't think you have to worry about that happening to you.

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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?


How it goes.....

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Trump: AHhh you're so kind, Thank You *blushing*

Xi Jinping: Wat you want?

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I’d say blah blah blah too if I got caught not knowing what I was talking about.



I don't think you have to worry about that happening to you.


Because I know what I’m talking about. And have admitted to not knowing certain topics multiple times. Cause I actually enjoy learning, unlike multiple people around here.

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You jumped in a convo that had nothing to do with you.

The U.N. sanctions against NK had NOTHING to do with Teds comments on reducing spending, as that was a separate issue.

And yea I related that to trump, as the US were the ones pushing the sanctions in the first place!!

^^ do you not get that? You’re only proving my point the more you post.

The US were the ones pushing for the UN to place sanctions on NK. If you actually had the ability to follow along with world events, you’d know that.

But that’s my fault for actually assuming you were a smart dude. I know from here on out, I have to post the entire timeline of events on issues because Willit doesn’t possess the ability to follow along with foreign policy matters.

So I apologize for believing you kept up with world issues. I promise I won’t make that mistake again.

And just to make sure I wasn’t tripping, I looked back, and sure enough, I was talking to Ted’s specific comments and explaining to him that those two issues weren’t related. But right on que, Diam..ugh,I mean 40.... damn, I mean you came through to defend something that wasn’t true.

So let me explain it to you again: China not adhering to U.N. sanctions has NOTHING to do with why the US reduced spending to the UN, as the reason for that was the UNs resolution that condemned trumps actions on Jerusalem.

Two separate issues. I can not explain it any clearer than that.
ahh more hate and rhetoric.

Once again , you blasted someone for not staying on topic, yet you originally could not stay on topic. Is the UN trump? is the UN the US? No. UN sanctions, china ignored. Chine ignored the UN, not trump. plain as day. Yet you think its trump they ignored. it wasn't. it was the UN. if you cannot even acknowledge a simple fact because of your hatred, you are useless to any conversation or input.

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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?


How it goes.....

Xi Jinping: Ahhhh Sooooo. Mster Twump you wook wike you wost weght.

Trump: AHhh you're so kind, Thank You *blushing*

Xi Jinping: Wat you want?

Trump: I forgot, nevermind.


Wow!
Who will you stereotype next? tsktsk

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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?


How it goes.....

Xi Jinping: Ahhhh Sooooo. Mster Twump you wook wike you wost weght.

Trump: AHhh you're so kind, Thank You *blushing*

Xi Jinping: Wat you want?

Trump: I forgot, nevermind.


Wow!
Who will you stereotype next? tsktsk
would that be considered racist?

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You always come with this “hate and rhetoric” nonsense.

Sorry that facts outweigh your feelings.


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I’d say blah blah blah too if I got caught not knowing what I was talking about.



I don't think you have to worry about that happening to you.


Because I know what I’m talking about. And have admitted to not knowing certain topics multiple times. Cause I actually enjoy learning, unlike multiple people around here.


Yes you do. And when you are completely wrong you will repeat it until you know you are right.

Kinda like this thread.

The UN specifies certain sanctions against NK while other sales are still ok.
China denies breaking those sanctions, pointing out those rules.
Yet you twist the whole thing into Trump weakness and Xi screwing him over.

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Russia also denies interfering in our elections.

You seem to constantly take the side of untrustworthy nations over everyone else.

It’s a recurring theme. I also find it funny that we have Willit saying we should’ve known China would not follow the sanctions, yet here you are saying they didn’t do anything wrong to begin with.

And yet you was liking his post, post that you don’t even agree with.

Y’all are weird.


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so now we are on to Russia, yeah way to stay on topic.

when in doubt, Russia Russia Russia.

he didn't say they didn't do anything, he said they denied doing anything. literally spelled out again for you.

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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?


How it goes.....

Xi Jinping: Ahhhh Sooooo. Mster Twump you wook wike you wost weght.

Trump: AHhh you're so kind, Thank You *blushing*

Xi Jinping: Wat you want?

Trump: I forgot, nevermind.


Wow!
Who will you stereotype next? tsktsk
would that be considered racist?


You would have to ask him as he is the expert, he throws out the racist charge at every opportunity.

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I made the correlation that 40 tends to believe anything that people say.

I see you got your captain save em cape on. It would be nice if you saved people from making incorrect statements.

Instead you double down on wrong information right along with them. I’d laugh if it weren’t so pathetic.


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So, will trump put his money where his mouth is, and sanction China since they got caught helping the North Koreans?


How it goes.....

Xi Jinping: Ahhhh Sooooo. Mster Twump you wook wike you wost weght.

Trump: AHhh you're so kind, Thank You *blushing*

Xi Jinping: Wat you want?

Trump: I forgot, nevermind.


Wow!
Who will you stereotype next?



I'll stereotype "Xi Jinping" next.


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I made the correlation that 40 tends to believe anything that people say.


That is also false.
I don't believe much of what you say.

You have taken this thread and played mister twister with it until it is unrecognizable.

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You just twisted what I was saying.

But you continue to prove my point, so please keep posting.


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