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I didn't read yours yet didn't want to become biased....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9i2Avs1YuA

OU vs Ohio State

26 plays

Under pressure plays:
13:17, 25s,
(2nd Q) 9:37
(3rd Q) 6:56, 3:32,

Muddy pocket: none / 3rd Q 6:56

Evasion plays: 1317
(3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00

Plus displays of arm talent: 13:17, 9:20,
(2nd Q) 11:36
(3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00/?(...could argue IF he had a bigger arm could have lead the receiver)
(4th Q) 11:19

Improvisation: (2nd Q) 9:04
(3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00

Plus progression/cov read: 7:42
(4th Q) 12:28 (double slants)
11:19 {3:21 3rdQ Look off}

Movement throw: 13:17
(3rd Q) 6:12, 3:32, 3:30

Run instincts: (2nd Q) 9:04, 3:45

Held ball/missed receiver: only a half minus @ 13:17 late on the Slant/Flat concept

Off backfoot: 9:37
(4th Q) 9:45

Off target: 4th Q 9:45 underthrown (almost caught; possibly an attempted backshoulder)
Bad Decisions: /
Tipped: /

Had a lot of gimme passes manufactured through the offense. Play-action quick throws swings, screens and hitches....but that's what you get with some spread offenses.

A QB can only execute the system he plays in and Baker executed a high level in this game...didn't really miss any throws.

Didn't face a lot of pressure or have to throw from muddied pockets.

When he was pressured handled it well and made plays. Threw a couple off his backfoot.
Flashed good arm talent on some throws and good improvisational skills...plays with confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9i2Avs1YuA

OU vs Ohio State

Baker a lot of gimme passes manufactured through the offense. Play-action quick throws swings, screens and hitches....but that's what you get with some spread offenses.

A QB can only execute the system he plays in and Baker executed a high level in this game...didn't really miss any throws.

Didn't face a lot of pressure or have to throw from muddied pockets.

When he was pressured handled it well and made plays. Threw a couple off his backfoot.
Flashed good arm talent on some throws and good improvisational skills...plays with confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9i2Avs1YuA

OU vs Ohio State

26 plays

Under pressure plays: 13:17, 25s,(2nd Q) 9:37, (3rd Q) 6:56, 3:32,

Muddy pocket: none / 3rd Q 6:56

Evasion plays: 1317, (3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00

Plus displays of arm talent: 13:17, 9:20, (2nd Q) 11:36
(3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00/?(...could argue IF he had a bigger arm could have lead the receiver), (4th Q) 11:19

Improvisation: (2nd Q) 9:04, (3rd Q) 3:32, 3:00

Plus progression/cov read: 7:42, (4th Q) 12:28 (double slants), 11:19 {3:21 3rdQ Look off}

Movement throw: 13:17, (3rd Q) 6:12, 3:32, 3:30

Run instincts: (2nd Q) 9:04, 3:45

Held ball/missed receiver: only a half minus @ 13:17 late on the Slant/Flat concept

Off backfoot: 9:37, (4th Q) 9:45

Off target: 4th Q 9:45 underthrown (almost caught; possibly an attempted backshoulder)

Bad Decisions: /
Tipped: /

Thoughts....

J/C

Someone posted a picture on twitter of Mayfield from the Heisman awards, but posted the wrong one, because Mayfield was standing next to Jackson, Peppers and Watson.

I noticed that Mayfield is only slightly bigger than Peppers, quite a bit shorter than Watson, and shorter than Jackson.

Peppers clocks in at 5'11" officially while Watson clocks in at 6'2".

It looks like Mayfield is, as suggested, going to check in at 6'0" rather than 6'1".

Personally, I don't really care. An inch or two likely makes a negligible difference. Personally, I care more about hand size, arm length and bulk. Not sure about hands and arms, but Mayfield is a stocky guy like Brees and Wilson, so that's a positive.

However, as has been mentioned, NFL teams can be really snobby when it comes to a shorter quarterback. I'm even more worried about him around the combine time when he'll be standing around with (Until further notice) the likes of Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Jackson. The guy is going to look like a midget.

While we all have our opinions on what difference it makes, I wonder if NFL teams will knock him for it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kIKh10OdOq22fjVlTBIkJslMXeCLqhrWBJ80yhTLTgg/edit?usp=sharing

I rewatched the game and put all my notes into a spread sheet with varying criteria. I got a lot of the same conclusions you did. One thing that I really noticed this game is how strongly he rotates his hips while throwing. It's like watching a lightweight boxer, he does it so quickly. The throw you mention how he could have a bigger arm, when I watched the play, I thought his footwork was limiting his arm strength on it. He sort of hops around and doesn't get his back leg into the throw like usual.

Dude. Nice Spreadsheet. Love it.

Huge day for Mayfield.

I checked out your chart/grade sheet, good stuff.

Should I pm thoughts on it? e.g. you don't really need to chart completion/incompletion for the QB evaluation because the receiver plays a big role in that...might think about charting something like whether the throw was on target or missed or target/location etc.

Definitely like the chart.



On the throw 3rd Q - 3:00. I'm not knocking his armstrength on this throw. That play was definitely a 'plus' play for me.
He was on scramble throwing on the run while evading a pursuing defender. I don't expect a QB to have perfect mechanics on a throw like this.





However; a bigger arm QB could have made the throw further up field. The flip side of the coin is the receiver is running a corner route and it could be that Baker was just completing the route and could have thrown it further up field and chose not to. But if he was able to throw it further up field I would have given him the 'plus' on this throw for arm strength.

When chopping up film it hard to 'know' somethings with any degree certainty and I constantly try to remind myself to stick with clearly objective assessments when grading. Just to be clear I graded Baker as a plus for evasion and improvisation on this play and didn't grade him down on anything related to the throw.

NFL teams will certainly knock him or any prospect when they are 'deficient' in a measurable/trait they track.

The NFL scouting processing is as much a risk mitigation business as it is a finding a special talent business. No staff or scout wants to be the guy to trumpet the exception and get it wrong. They would rather go the 'safer' route.

I say all that to say that Mayfield being 6'1 vs 6 foot could be the difference between top 20ish and bottom of the 1st beginning of the 2nd round.

So many people questioned Watson and many said he may tumble. Not sure why. All he ever did in college was win and he orchestrated a game winning drive in the championship. Yet, for some reason people questioned him. Who knows what Watson will be like when he returns in September, but from the games we did see him play he was superb.

Personally, I am looking forward to today's game and I hope Mayfield plays well and wins.

I don't follow college football much, but thanks for posting that Mayfield was playing today. I'm recording the game and will watch his play.

I hope he is healthy. He has been sick.

My bad, I was a tad inebriated last night and confused the plays. I confused that play with the defensive pass interference play in at 14:38 in the 4th quarter. My mistake. I actually really liked how he dropped the ball right over the cornerback.

I'd be thrilled if the Browns drafted Mayfield. Not confident at all because Hue Jackson is still the coach. At this point I have no idea what his offensive scheme is, or what he is trying to do. Also, he does not protect rookie QB's as he should by running the ball. Hopefully he (Jackson) grows up in the offseason because IMO he can't get a damn thing right. /Rant.

Baker is deadly with the play action.

He's really good when his feet are not set. Russell Wilsonish.

He's really good, period.

Mayfield at 1, Barkley at 4, Lincoln Riley for OC.

Baker Mayfield is obviously physically talented. There will be two things people won't be able to get past, his height and off the field issues.

I don't think the height is a real issue, talent wins out. I have no clue about the off the field issues, but I think Mayfield's teammates and coaches will rave about him enough that it will lessen his problems.

i think his off field issues are way overblown. Sorry, but many 20 somethings out there have some dunken episode they wish they could take back. Crotch grabs and pole planting are trivial in the grand scheme of things - in my opinion.

I hope Hue and Dorsey are watching what QB play should be like.

I think we'll never know the extent of his issues, but I don't think the things we know about are all that serious.

https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/947964287506563073

Mayfield looks like of good in the Rose Bowl first half.

So of off topic, but Roquon Smith is invisible out there. That's one thing that Baker deserves a lot of credit for: When all eyes are on him, he doesn't falter.

Sony Michel is someone to consider in later rounds.

My thoughts on Mayfield's off field issues. I think he is a douchebag. But the kind of douchebag that you love if he is on your team but hate if he is on someone else's.

Has he done some stupid stuff (I want to use another S-word)? Most certainly. But he is nothing like JFF. By all accounts, Baker is dedicated to football and a hard worker. It sounds like he is a playbook bookworm, which is the exact opposite of JFF

man mayfield does all those little things. If he had half decent wr corp he'd have soo much more stats

Looks like a young John Elway, in my opinion, Elway took two of his teams to the super bowl, on about his own, and had 2 of the WORST super bowl performances ever in the history of the game.

But without a defense, (they can't keep a rb from at least 10 yards each carry, and everything else on his shoulders.

I think, if you select Mayfield, other teams in your division will be forced to select players to try to combat him.

Man, the Okla defense must have not seen a Rb carry the ball from the backfield ever before.

mayfield and barkley would be the dream...imagine the PA nightmare

My biggest concern with Baker is that he doesn't have the athleticism to scramble as much as he does in college.

Kiser can scramble but that’s not really helped us that much.

Ya'll see Baker Mayfield as one of the first in, pushing the pile to try get his RB over the line? Following play he picks up the first down on the sneak.

Kid can be 5'8" for all I care. He sure doesn't play like a little guy. That's all heart right there.

its not about scrambling, its how well he moves in the pocket and creates throwing lanes for himself

Baker is like Tebow, but can actually play QB..he's got all those other qualities like drive and passion. But he's got great instincts and it looks natural

I love the fight in him. No one is going to out fight Baker. Going from walk on to starter at two universities is unheard of.

Exactly. Does he have the athleticism to do it against NFL players in NFL pockets? I really don't know.

well we know Baker can already catch better than Coleman

Oh my.

Mayfield just caught a TD pass

I think he does, he has a pretty good feel it seems

Mayfield adds a receiving touchdown for good measure.

(and hands the football to the ref after scoring the TD - Class Act)