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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Redskins will retain Jay Gruden as head coach.

The Ringer's Mike Lombardi added that the Skins are in the process of trying to extend assistant coaches' contracts, an obvious implication that Gruden's job is safe. Per RapSheet, there is a "deep understanding" within the organization that Washington disappointed this year due in large part to an unlucky run of injuries. The Redskins can finish 8-8 if they beat the Giants in Week 17.

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I am shocked by this, I thought he was done for sure:



https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/946851978528911369

Or its possible Joe's sudden pay bonus after being injured is hush money. Pay the guy a couple mil, throw some public support to Hue to help prop up the illusion of legitimacy.

I may not be an X's and O's kind of guy, I don't know how to evaluate players like you you guys do, but my job in real life has helped me develop a pretty keen eye toward reading body language.

The game after Dorsey was hired Hue coached like a guy who's job was on the line, he was under the pressure of having to demonstrably produce something. But ever since he got the endorsement from Dorsey, his post game demenaor is that of a smug arse. I'm telling you, Hue checked out 2 weeks ago... He hasn't given a lock about doing anything with this season since.

His sideline interaction with Kizer and Kizer's reactions show that there is zero HC/QB relationship. That's on Hue and not the mark of a good or supposed great coach.

This team for all it's issues this season did have enough talent to have won a handful of games.

Hue's a waste of office space at this point.

Rastan is right... Retaining Hue is going to be bad for business. Personally I'm so ambivalent about this this team, we could beat the pants of Big Ben and their #1's this week and I wouldn't even care.

I'd suspect that there's anlot pf people like me that probably won't even bother to tune in until we've strung 2 or more wins in a row together. Less than that, what's the point?

Two wins in a row? A feat the Browns have not accomplished since November of 2014.

The ineptitude is extraordinary.

Since no quality NFL coach will come here, what is the chance of getting a college coach? Somebody who knows how to win?

*pandoras box*

Hue Jackson will have zero wins on Sundays in two years .. that's not a good stat for a coach in the NFL

But it's a good end.

this is what happens when you turn your team into a expansion team lmao.. but the plan was great lmao

Just some stats that are telling IMO

The Browns average 4.5 yards per rushing attempt, 4th best in the league, and are 27th in rushing attempts per game.

The Browns are 26th in passing yards per game but 9th in passing attempts per game.

No wonder we can't win a game. We play to our weakness.

Hue is clueless.

The analytics boys must have loved those stats ...

just saw that Dirk Koetter will return .. that's dumb IMO

have such a high attempt per carry because we dont run when the box is stacked... crow should be on his knee thanking hue for the inflated stats lmao

Maybe the idea is to force Kizer's development as much as possible. That doesn't happen by handing off when down by 2 or more scores. We also have decisions to make on WRs and TEs. They need opportunities.

There have been so many plays where we have had receivers running wild, and Kizer just doesn't see them. I think that Hue was trying to get him to grow on the field.

If we would have been smart, we would have signed a veteran. (And Osweiller wasn't the right guy. We traded to take a 2nd round pick along with Osweiller. That says how desperate Houston was to dump him) A Case Keenum or a Nick Foles would have been a nice bridge type. (and Keenum might be next year, depending on what the Vikes do)

Might be part of the reason for the divide between the coach and Sashi. I know you don't like stats, but they can show trends. We are back there like we have Drew Brees.

I am sure you meant yards per carry. I don't really buy the stacked box deal. Other teams face that and do just fine, and so do we when we run the ball. You want to make it sound like our yards happened when the box wasn't stacked. When might that have been?

I have to disagree YTown ... you develop the young QB by giving him opportunities to succeed. Wentz and Dak both were given relatively little to do - that helped their development, it didn't hurt it. The high pass % is a reflection of Hue, nothing more. It was the same last year with Kessler, RG3, McCown and company ... it's the same this year. The common denominator is the guy calling the plays not the QB !

First, I hadn't seen you around of late....good to see you again my friend.

Maybe, but probably not. The way Hue jerked Kizer around starting mid season, I doubt he was really interested in Kizers development. The guy was in panic mode for a win.

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL/status/946749809708425216
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I would've thought it was almost impossible to average 4.7+ yards per carry & not make playoffs two years in a row let alone go 1-30.

74% of the run plays according to the stat site that the other guy put up. Just saying...

You are both right. Crow doesn't face many stacked boxes. This year: 27% of the time faces stacked box.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing#percent-eight-defenders

Last year: 24%
But the 24% of the time when Crow faced a stacked box he was good:


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...t-stacked-boxes

The stats don't suggest that running Crow against stacked boxes would hurt his numbers nor hurt the run game.

I don’t dislike stats .. i dislike how there used around here 95% of the time ... u can’t throw out one stat to make a point .. u also can manipulate the crap out of stats to make any argument u want ... just pick and choose your stats ...

Stats are very useful and definetly play a roll in everything including football when their USED PROPERLY!!!!

Most don’t use them right ... like throwing out completion % to prove someone is accurate .. thats not a good use of stats and it leads to false conclusions ....

I am not and idiot Peen ... i know stats are useful and have their place ... just not the way their used almost exclusively on here ... ...

I try to use them the right way. I agree one and bend stats to back-up any side of a argument.

Well there you go... Guy sucks unless the box is stacked.... No wonder we pass so much... Bahahaha!!!!

There are arguments both ways.

I think that a lot depends on the team the rookie will be going to. Is the team experienced, with a talented roster, or is he going to a team filled with inexperienced players? We have a team that should be attractive to a veteran QB, with assets and cap space to really bulk up the offense.

I look at Kizer, this year, and see a guy who has been overwhelmed a great deal of the time. we have had receivers running open, who he has missed. He has locked onto 1 receiver a great deal of the time. He has made some of the ugliest throws imaginable, throwing at the feet of a wide open Duke Johnson a few weeks back, as an example .... and throwing a pass well over the top into the end zone; a pass which had no chance of being completed, except to the defender. (as happened) The play calling has been fine, fr the most part. I think that Kizer would have benefited from time on the bench ..... but who would we play, if not him? Once we decided to play him, I think that Hue decided to see if he could be developed on the fly, under pressure.

I think that we need to bring in the best veteran we can, and give him the job in camp. Let the rook learn from the sidelines, and film study. Let the rest of the offense gel under an experienced hand. Then, when the rookie's time comes, the offense should be more "plug and play".

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/946830578870915073

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21921...ach-next-season

Bill OB is staying .... FO's must not like this batch of available coaches

even if we wanted to get rid of Hue, look at all the coaching spots open.

we weren't gonna get THE top candidate here anyway this offseason. so many more desirable locations to interview with that aren't deadzones.

A top candidate in this league is just another old rerun.

John Fox to be fired

Agree. Joe's the type of guy who wouldn't say a bad word about his employer if they laid him off on Christmas. Not a shot against him, just the type of character he has.

I'd just hope to tell Joe ... we're taking Rosen at 1, Barkley at 4, the best WR at 33, the best OL at 36 ... and adding a good FA WR and Alex Smith

If Hue isn't on the hot seat, the Browns' hot seat should be put out on the curb come garbage day in Berea.

No matter what Haslam said about Hue coming back for next year it doesn't mean much. Haslam's word means very little. If Hue is not on the hot seat now he will surely be at the beginning of next season if the Browns are not winning. The pressure on Hue will be immense. How confident can we be that Hue will start next season winning games? If Hue keeps his job for now he will still have the threat of being fired hanging over his head. The job at Cincinnati might seem a lot more appealing once it becomes open.

Well to be fair, Keeping Hue Jackson would be the Jimmy Haslam thing to do. he hasnt made a good decision since he has been here, why start now lol.

j/c

Vers predicted this all along, from the beginning. The team would be horrible and everyone would want to blow it up.

"You're wrong", they said. "We want to see the plan through", they said.

Sad.

Haslam blew up the plan the moment he fired Sashi. The plan was an analytic based system which has now been trashed.