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WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM
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I know schools make big bucks off these kids but at some point I want my investment in the game.

Mayfield had the most to gain by playing IMO.

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Originally Posted By: MrTed
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Mayfield out with an "undisclosed illness".

Why doesn't he just say he doesntvwany to play?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...klahoma-sooners


If this was a run of the mill bowl game and he didn't want to play, fine.

But a play off game?

Don't like the message that sends.


I thought he'd attended all football activities and only missed the non-football stuff? Obviously pisses off the media, but he is practicing with the team (which should be what really matters).

I'm a bit disappointed in Darnold...not sure where this leaves the Browns (unless we can pull someone in FA).

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Originally Posted By: Swish
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It's literally Rosen or no one.
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False.

Lamar Jackson.


That guy had some very impressive throws in the reel I watched. But I could only get through half of it because there were more runs than throws.

Perhaps if he sits for a year or two to become an NFL QB, but he's not NFL ready right now.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
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Lamar Jackson.


He's a great college QB he has no qb skills that will transfer to the NFL. Teams are already saying they want to move him to WR.


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Originally Posted By: TripleOption
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Mayfield out with an "undisclosed illness".

Why doesn't he just say he doesntvwany to play?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...klahoma-sooners


If this was a run of the mill bowl game and he didn't want to play, fine.

But a play off game?

Don't like the message that sends.


I thought he'd attended all football activities and only missed the non-football stuff? Obviously pisses off the media, but he is practicing with the team (which should be what really matters).

I'm a bit disappointed in Darnold...not sure where this leaves the Browns (unless we can pull someone in FA).


We're in a pickle no matter how you look at it.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
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It's literally Rosen or no one.
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False.

Lamar Jackson.


He's a great college QB he has no qb skills that will transfer to the NFL. Teams are already saying they want to move him to WR.


With the after burners he has, he will definitely do well at WR. That's what I was thinking while watching his highlight reel.


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Originally Posted By: TripleOption
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Mayfield out with an "undisclosed illness".

Why doesn't he just say he doesntvwany to play?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...klahoma-sooners


If this was a run of the mill bowl game and he didn't want to play, fine.

But a play off game?

Don't like the message that sends.


I thought he'd attended all football activities and only missed the non-football stuff? Obviously pisses off the media, but he is practicing with the team (which should be what really matters).

I'm a bit disappointed in Darnold...not sure where this leaves the Browns (unless we can pull someone in FA).


I was curious if I was missing something. Clicked on the link twice. No where did I see he was out for the game. Heard on the radio this afternoon that inside talk is he has the flu.


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Originally Posted By: FreeAgent
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Mayfield out with an "undisclosed illness".

Why doesn't he just say he doesntvwany to play?

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...klahoma-sooners


If this was a run of the mill bowl game and he didn't want to play, fine.

But a play off game?

Don't like the message that sends.


I thought he'd attended all football activities and only missed the non-football stuff? Obviously pisses off the media, but he is practicing with the team (which should be what really matters).

I'm a bit disappointed in Darnold...not sure where this leaves the Browns (unless we can pull someone in FA).


I was curious if I was missing something. Clicked on the link twice. No where did I see he was out for the game. Heard on the radio this afternoon that inside talk is he has the flu.


Yeah from what I see, he's missed a news conference, Lawry's Beef Bowl (maybe a good decision to skip this?) and Disney...

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Ah crap. I thought I fixed it to say missed out on media day.

My bad


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Ah crap. I thought I fixed it to say missed out on media day.

My bad


No worries, with his mouth, it might be best if he skips media day laugh

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Woah he almost threw another pick.

#burnthetapeonthisgame


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If Darnold declares for the 2018 draft I hope the Browns don't take him. Ball security is a big issue. I think he will be a turnover machine in the NFL.

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I looked over the list of UFA QB's next year.

Not inspiring.

Drew Bree's isn't going anywhere. Kirk Cousins isn't going anywhere, they'll tag him again if they have to.

The rest of the list, I dunno.


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Originally Posted By: Dawg Citizen
If Darnold declares for the 2018 draft I hope the Browns don't take him. Ball security is a big issue. I think he will be a turnover machine in the NFL.


If they take him, and genuinely sit him. That'd be okay. Perhaps he just goes later in the draft, where it would make sense to take him.


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If Darnold declares for the 2018 draft I hope the Browns don't take him. Ball security is a big issue. I think he will be a turnover machine in the NFL.



If he learns how to not throw off his back foot, his follow througj and his decision making needs to improve.

even the announcers just blasted him for it.

Twitter is having a hay day shredding him too.(while blasting the Browns and Browns fans for saying we will be dumb enough to draft him #1)

This is a terrible game for him.

The coach is limiting the amount of throws he can make while being down 17. Every play should be a throw and they just handed the ball off 2 or 3x in a row.


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Originally Posted By: MrTed
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If Darnold declares for the 2018 draft I hope the Browns don't take him. Ball security is a big issue. I think he will be a turnover machine in the NFL.


If they take him, and genuinely sit him. That'd be okay. Perhaps he just goes later in the draft, where it would make sense to take him.


Unless the Browns sign a vet QB, what ever QB they draft will have to start right away. Take a QB with the first pick and fill out the team with the rest of the picks. I would not waste a pick on Darnold.

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If Darnold declares for the 2018 draft I hope the Browns don't take him. Ball security is a big issue. I think he will be a turnover machine in the NFL.


If they take him, and genuinely sit him. That'd be okay. Perhaps he just goes later in the draft, where it would make sense to take him.


Unless the Browns sign a vet QB, what ever QB they draft will have to start right away. Take a QB with the first pick and fill out the team with the rest of the picks. I would not waste a pick on Darnold.


From what I'm seeing, I wouldn't either.


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Josh Rosen: I’m going to go ahead and sit out this bowl game so I don’t have to go to the Cleveland Browns Sam Darnold: Hold my beer

Sam Darnold you say? He’s up to 20 Turnovers on the season and 3 games with ZERO TD passes. Sounds like a kid that needs to stay in school another year.

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Wtf that was not a catch. Darnold just got 50 yards padded to his stats.

Nice missed fg. #balldontlie


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
Wtf that was not a catch. Darnold just got 50 yards padded to his stats.


Looked like a catch to me. Foot still down in bounds when he caught the ball.


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That was too close to call, but it makes up for the non PI call from a previous series they definitely should've gotten.


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Wtf that was not a catch. Darnold just got 50 yards padded to his stats.


Looked like a catch to me. Foot still down in bounds when he caught the ball.



ImO
The ball was moving still and his foot was coming off the turf.


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Wtf that was not a catch. Darnold just got 50 yards padded to his stats.


Looked like a catch to me. Foot still down in bounds when he caught the ball.



ImO
The ball was moving still and his foot was coming off the turf.


IMO he caught it with both hands and was pulling it to his chest with his foot down. I didn’t see a bobble.


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Wow, you have to look at college Qb's to see someone that makes you like Kizer better.


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And donald turns it over again...


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Wow.... SMH. Call Dorsey!!!


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Darnold has made some great throws, he (just like Kizer last year) needs another year in college.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.


One game says a lot for the #1 draft pick.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.


If he can't beat a college team, what business does he have coming to the NFL?

Don't know what the caliber of teams he played this year that got him into the #1 pick conversation, but I'd say he just played a real team and we found out what he was made of.


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What I saw tonight:

8 sacks 2 fumbles 1 int (Could have easily been 3 ints). 26 for 45. Terrible footwork in his drops, he is good on the run, he does scramble really tall and will likely get injured running so high, stuggled with his reads, consostently threw off his back foot. and looked like a deer in headlights against a predictable defense who didn't do anything out of their norm.a 50 yard pass play gift from the refs.

He needs another year and his hand size checked. He is in top 3 for turnovers in college football with 22.

People on Twitter roasted him all night long.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.




The same defense Baker Mayfield torched.

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It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.


Darnold was unlikely to come out this year. A performance like this just cements that. Rosen, Jackson, and maybe Mayfield are the only QBs in this class.

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It's literally Rosen or no one.


One game sample. Against one of the most talented defenses in college.


Well baker played against the same defense and won.

Lamar plays against good defenses in the ACC and succeeds.

Darnold actually had to play against a tough college defense and looked like trash.


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I didn't think he looked bad. OSU is way better than USC. The guy was swarmed all night. I saw him make a lot of pro throws.


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I’ll be watching Louisville vs ,23 ranked Mississippi state at 12.

See what Lamar does against a SEC defense.


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Which is where the MLB gets it right. Bring them straight out of high school and put them on farm teams, teach them the pro game not this horse crap college game. It gets them learning the right way from day one against true opponents not these pitiful cupcakes games designed only to generate revenue for the school.


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This kid has it all. plus he isn't a douche and a bail on his teammates like Rosen.

i want guys like Lamar, Mayfield, Barkley. Ride or die for their teammates.

Don't forget about Lamar Jackson as he caps another spectacular year

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...e-football-game

As other draft-eligible players made decisions to skip bowl games this postseason, Lamar Jackson got to work in the Louisville meeting rooms and the practice field, never once entertaining the possibility.

Jackson has steadfastly refused to discuss his future, telling coach Bobby Petrino they would talk about it after the TaxSlayer Bowl on Saturday (Noon ET, ESPN and ESPN App).

This is where Jackson is different, and always has been different. Give him some praise, and he deflects to his teammates. Ask about his best on-field performance, and he deflects to the best team win. Note his improvement as a passer, he points to the work he did with his coaches.

"I have Mississippi State to worry about right now," Jackson says. "I'm not worried about what's happening in January. I've got to focus on my teammates."

"That's how special a kid he is," Petrino says.

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As he has every day since he arrived at Louisville, Jackson has worked tirelessly to get ready for the bowl game in Jacksonville, Florida. It is a work ethic his mother instilled in him at an early age, when she began to prepare him to play quarterback in Boynton Beach, Florida, a four-hour drive from Jacksonville.

Jackson always had a competitive streak, but Felicia Jones taught him how to work, how to be humble and how to look out for his teammates. She drove Jackson to strive for perfection, an endless quest that continues on, despite the bookshelf of trophies and pages of records he has collected since his Louisville career began.

As dual-threat quarterbacks went from novelty to the norm over the past decade, Jackson put his own twist on what it meant to run and throw. Nobody had seen a quarterback with his 4.3 speed hurdle, spin and outrun defenders on one play, then launch a 70-yard pass on the next. Sure, we had seen a bullish runner in Tim Tebow; a theatrical player in Johnny Manziel; a physically imposing presence in Cam Newton.

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But nobody since Michael Vick had blended the speed, moves and arm strength Jackson had, and when he started filling highlight reels as a sophomore, Jackson became appointment television. Jackson went on to become the youngest winner in Heisman Trophy history, but he started to get criticized for several subpar performances to close the regular season. More backlash followed after a dismal performance in the Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl against LSU. Suddenly, national pundits began to pile on Jackson, as if what unfolded in the final month should be placed squarely on him.


Lamar Jackson looked like his Heisman-worthy self throughout 2017 but his candidacy never gained traction, as the Cardinals struggled with injuries all year. AP Photo/Gerry Broome
Then this season started much the way last season ended: Louisville struggled early thanks to injuries that decimated the running backs, receivers and defense. Jackson became somewhat overlooked.

"I think people get bored," Petrino said. "That's the world we live in now. He took everybody by storm last year by just the unbelievable performances and then he never let down. He kept coming and coming and coming. It was expected, and nobody really saw the amazing performances. The only things they saw was when he made a mistake, or when he threw an interception, not the great touchdown runs and throws that he had."

When Louisville opened 5-4, it became harder for Jackson to make another case to win the Heisman. But he did improve in big ways this season, and he put up more mind-boggling numbers, earning him another trip to New York.

Among his accomplishments, Jackson is proudest of his improvement as a passer: He stayed in the pocket more, recognized defenses better, went to his checks more reliably. As a result, Jackson posted a career-best completion percentage of 60.4 percent. He threw a career-low six interceptions.

"It just made other plays on the field easier," Jackson said. "I knew where my receivers would be all the time and stuff like that, I got the ball out in time to my receivers and we made big plays. That was the biggest thing for me this year."

In all, Jackson led the nation in total offense with 4,932 yards (3,489 passing, 1,443 rushing) and is on pace to set ACC season and career records for total yards per game. He won consecutive ACC Player of the Year honors and finished third in the Heisman race.

"If you take out his running stats, he had a great year throwing the football, the number of yards and completions and touchdowns and interception ratio. It's unbelievable," Petrino said. "Great, great year. If you take out his throwing, and just running the football, it's a great year running the ball. But the fact that he can do both of them together at the same time, nobody else has ever been able to do that, so you're seeing one of the best players ever to play college football."

If Jackson gets 26 yards rushing and 126 yards passing against Mississippi State, he will join Colin Kaepernick as the only other player in NCAA history to run for 4,000 and pass for 9,000 yards in a career.

And though it seems ridiculous on its face, it does feel as if Jackson has to make another statement in this game, not only because his bowl performance a year ago in Orlando ignited talk questioning his Heisman-winning credentials, but because the spotlight will be on him to wow college football fans one more time.

Jackson has done all this before -- his breakout performance against Texas A&M in the bowl game two years ago launched what ended up being one of the finest seasons in college football history. In spotlight games this season, Jackson did not fare as well, so this is the perfect opportunity to remind the nation why he drew everyone in.


His career also provides one of the more fascinating discussion points about what he has accomplished. Where does his career stack up to date, among all the quarterbacks who have played?

"For me it's right at the top, just simply because he's done what nobody else has been able to do throwing and running the football," Petrino said. "The only thing he lacked is a national championship, and that's something I wish we could have helped him get."

Though Petrino says he believes wholeheartedly in Jackson, where he ranks on that list is subject to debate for the very reason Petrino mentioned: Jackson's dazzling career featured zero ACC or national championship game appearances. It also featured zero 10-win seasons.

Jackson remains unconcerned about his legacy or where he stacks up. Whether this is his final game at Louisville is subject to debate, too. But if it is, there's no doubting what he has meant to the program, to the city of Louisville and to his teammates. His commitment has always been as strong as his sometimes unimaginable performances.


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