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As we near the offseason the speculation is already rife. Listening to local radio yesterday they began discussing the #1 pick and trades. Speculation is that Denver really want Rosen. Knowing Rosen has hinted he doesn't want to play for Cleveland and that the Giants could take him the speculation is Elway could offer the following for the Browns #1:

Their 1st (anywhere from 5/6)
Their 2nd & a 4th round pick
+ 1st and 2nd round picks in 2019

Again, all speculation and just sports journos hashing things out from various rumour mill reporting, but if this is the case....do we:

1. Stay put at 1.

2. Make the trade and take Baker Mayfield (or Darnold) at 4 and then grab Minkah at 5 or 6? Mayfield needs to have a significantly better game than Darnold did last night.

3. Or, further speculation was that we have love for Will Grier (WV) who has better stats than all of this years QBs and decide to go all in on trading for a vet (Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins?) and use our picks in other areas to get a QB next year?

Regarding trades at some point one has to ask when do we just utilize our picks rather than constant trading. But, the above scenario does offer some worthwhile consideration IF we are not sold on Rosen.

As much as I love acquiring future picks, I don't think you mess around with your franchise quarterback. Where do the Giants fall in this? They are probably going to take a qb at #2. Denver takes Rosen, Giants take Mayfield where does that leave us?

I say grab Mayfield at 1, Fitzpatrick at 4 (assuming the Colts win Sunday) and be done with it. Let the rest of the league sort out what they want to do. Don't get cute.

I am not against that trade but it would very significantly depend on who (QB) we sign in FA. If we sign a 35 year old vet, don't make the trade and draft a QB at #1. If we sign a QB who can play for 5-7 more years at a quality level, then I would consider making that trade...

The Browns need quality not quanity. Now we have the youngest and worst team in the league with no playmakers. Plus their contracts all come due around the same time. I hope Dorsey shows the guts to stand pat and take the best player on the board. If we trade draft picks I hope its for a proven QB or a proven starter.

The latter would be Cousins who would potentially only sign if he were the guy for a 4-5 year deal. I don't see him signing a 2 year deal to essentially "tutor" a #1 (and a #2/Kizer).

Smith would be a guy we use as that bridge to work with our young QB room. What does it take to get him as he is under contract? a 2nd rounder +? I guess when you already have 3 2nd rounders that is fine. If we trade down then we inherit even more to work with.

Unless Dorsey and Jackson mutually decide that none of these quarterbacks are good, or the Browns sign a legitimate franchise quarterback like Cousins, I'm against any trade - particularly jumping back as far as Denver.

Two top five selections. Just use them.

Not just NYG...where do the Colts stand? Do they take Barkley at 2 or 3 (wherever they finish)? Or, are the Colts looking at life beyond Luck? Giants could go with Darnold, but if Mayfield has a good game on Monday and potentially the Championship that could change everything.

if we did this trade back, take the best DB at #4, draft Lamar at #5-6.

Minkah or Ward

If Mayfield is the Browns #1 guy then they should trade down and select him. Mayfield is not the talent that people will be trading up into the top 3 to get.

depends on how we handle FA, but just based on the roster as is, yea, grab MF at #4 all day everyday.

#1 for Denver's 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders, and next year's 1st rounder.

I'd think about it.

Only trade I make is with the Giants. If they really want Rosen and we don’t, make them think we want him. Try to get something out of it. If they don’t trade, stay at 1 and get your guy.

Any love for DE Bradley Chubb with our 2nd 1st round pick? It's blatantly obvious without Garrett and now without Ogbah that we have little to no depth at DE.

you dont use top 5 picks for depth

Poor choice of word, perhaps. But, I don't think Chubb would necessarily be "depth"...he would be on the line, in and out and it also opens up how you use Ogbah. Our pass rush has been sketchy at best. The only time we have had one was when EO and MG were on the field together.

We have playmakers. Hue just doesn't use them.

QB is the number 1, 2, and 3 problem. Youth is another problem.

The question is who is the QB? Before you can even consider the trade, you would have to address the problem in a solid manner.

I don’t think that Denver would be drafting anything else than a QB.

We saw how well the Philly trade worked out.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

No.

What happens with Barkley is of little concern. The concern would be whether the Colts trade the pick to a QB needy team.

The need is quarterback. The only thing a good game Monday would do for Mayfield is solidify him being selected #1 overall. Which we should do anyway.

Or make them think another team wants the pick.

I'd say yes and consider him over barkley. Move Garrett inside and we'd be a force on the line. Keep ogunjobi and move Shelton if necessary.

This was exactly my thinking. SF drafted DEs consecutively and they have since moved Buckner inside. I also agree on Ogunjobi. Dude needs to start...he's definitely my fave pick from last year.

If Mayfield is the guy, they should draft him #1.

I'm not sure what talent people think Mayfield lacks that would say not to trade up for him. Mayfield will be drafted in the top 10 and very likely top 5.

That's one opinion. I am not sure how you know that, and I am not hot on the Mayfield bandwagon.

Lot's of time between now and the draft. Guys are going to move down once all the scouting and combine numbers start to come in.

The only way I trade down with the #1 pick is if we don't love any of the QBs who would be logical to think being picked at the top of the first round, or we sign Cousins. Then I would trade down for as much as possible.

Swish keeps pimping Jackson. He's a good QB. If he is our guy, I wouldn't want to sweat it out and wait until the 4th-5th pick, even though common thought is he would be there at pick 4 or 5. Just take whoever it is, and don't look back. Don't worry about people thinking you reached. Trade down from the Houston pick if the desire is to gain something for next year.

This right here. We don't need a boatload more of rookie talent to develop.

NO! We need to use both 1st round picks in top 5 (ish). If we trade down we trade down from the 1 and drop to either 2 or no further than Denver's pick (5/6). Jets pick (7/8?) will be too low. Last year's #12 with Hooker and Watson both on the board was a poor trade. To be fair to Peppers, I think he may make a dramatic leap forward when we bring in a true FS and play him closer to the line, but this season that trade down has significantly haunted us (Williams playing Peppers in a different zip code hasn't helped either!).

Call it being aware of market trends. You guys all clamored for the opinion of a "football guy" because they're so smart. Well, no football guy is going to trade up to take a 5'11 QB. Not to mention that a lot of the Baker hype is built around PFF/analytics. Of course all my posts, and everyone else's posts, are just opinions. But I'm pretty confident in this one.

Mayfield is 6’1”.

Was that the listed height on his mug shot ?

Stay put, take Rosen, stop screwing ourselves on a yearly basis, move on and take BPA. I don't give a rat's patootie what Rosen, Denver or the Giants want or would offer. I am so sick of watching us trip over dollars to pick up dimes.

We'll see at the Combine.

Maybe you could go find it and show everyone.

It came from the Sooner Sports Website .

I believe Mayfield is 6'1/2". Taller than Wilson and Brees.

I'm actually more curious about his hand size. His height doesn't limit him or his abilities so it's not really a concern.

If there is a QB you want, take him at #1 and don't play any games.

Play games with Baker and Allen. Not any other QB.

Usually I want to trade down every year, every pick. When there is a QB that you want that you think can be the franchise QB, you don't screw around. You take the QB. I don't care who it is, just take him.

Exactly. A trade down would be the most Browns thing to do and blowing it yet again.