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I don't pretend to know if The Plan has been blown up or not. DePo is still on board so some hope remains. A real shame that Sashi was released not because of The Plan, but rather due to the insidious backstabbing of you-know-who...

Vers also mentioned scapegoats. Hue has had two so far. Ray Horton and Sashi Brown.

Sad indeed.

You forgot one: the 'phantom OC'...

He wanted to hire an OC all the time but he knew that the Browns were going to be horrible and didnt want to do that to anyone. The empathy this man has shown by not hiring an OC is right up there with Princess Diana and Mother Teresa.

No one predicted that Hue would win only (1) game in two seasons...everyone knew the Browns would be bad this year...no one expected Hue to be so incompetent, stubborn, arrogant, ignorant-in-simple-time-mangement and back-stabbing. Everyone thought Hue could develop young talent and scheme an offense to win games...he has proven for two years that he can't.

It's not a surprise that people have had it with Hue and that belief certainly is not unwarranted.

Hue has not delivered on his part...why should Haslam?

I certainly don’t recall a serious prediction on this site that had us going 0 - 16. You’ve got to work hard to screw it up this much.

I forgot about Hue being such a good guy he didn't want to hire an OC because he knew that OC would get fired.

Agreed...and that after going 1-15 the year before.

The crazy thing is that it's really less about winning or losing as much as we are simply not competitive across the board and our HC has no clue on simple gameday decisions.

Well then Hue needs to fall on the sword in place of the guy he didn't hire...

Hue is such a prophetically magnanimous man, it’s just too bad he couldn’t use his crystal ball to see how to win a game.

j/c

And the henchmen gather.....

One of my problems with Hue is that he had this reputation as a QB guru from his work with Jason Campbell and Andy Dalton, but he whiffed here with Robert "Earthmover" Griffin, Cody "Trust Me" Kessler, and now DeShone Kizer. He jetted McCown, or at least failed to fight to keep him on the roster (if it was Sashi's call to release him). He loved Goff, but was reportedly dubious about drafting Wentz. He apparently liked Watson, but again, not enough to fight to get him. This is a QB Whisperer? I don't see it, I don't get it, I'm not impressed. I don't think I want him anywhere near whichever QB we draft next April.

What is the plan? I'm curious, where is the light at the end of the tunnel? How can we be sure we are doing the right thing if we stay with Hue? Where in 1-31 does it show we are on the right track? Do we have young playmakers or anyone going to the pro bowl? Any rookie on the all rookie team this year or last? All we have is a bunch of players that like their coach. Do we have our QB of the future to build around? Please someone show me where the hope is. I like Hue and I hate coaching changes but I am having a hard time finding any reason for hope that next year will be better. Better as in 8-8 not 4-12 as some would be satisfied with. In todays NFL huge turnarounds are common place except in Cleveland. I have been a Browns fan since 1960. This is unbelievable how we continue to struggle year after year with excuse after excuse. If it ain't broke don't fix it but if it is better find a good mechanic. It won't fix itself.
I want to drink the kool aid, I just am having a hard time finding a reason.

The Hue Jackson coolaide is laced with Acid cause you are tripping if you think this jackass is gonna turn this thing around.

GLW like you, I just dont see the progress for me to believe in going another year is the right thing to do.

I dont want him to destroy another young QB. What he did with Kizer is criminal.

You can't be sure. All you can do is actually give a coach the talent to win with. That hasn't been done. See, I'm not a seller of kool aid. I'm not saying Hue will be a great HC. What I am saying is that you can't develop a QB that isn't capable of playing the position in the NFL. You can't develop WR's who can't catch the ball. As fans I don't really blame people trying to put lipstick on a pig.

We're all Browns fans and as such people keep saying we have the talent to win. How great our draft picks are. The problem with that thought is they need to realize that just because you've been selected a starter on the worst team in the NFL, that doesn't make you a good player. It only means your the best at your position on a very crappy team.

If Dorsey can land Hue a QB and a WR with great hands, then build up our D secondary, we will have a chance to see what Hue can do. Until then, we don't know a damned thing no matter what the frustrated masses say.

Kizer was never going to be an NFL QB. It's not Hue's fault that the QB position was all Sashi'd up.

Pit, how would you develop any rookie QB?

Would u ask him to drop back and throw the ball 62% of the time?

If the rookie struggled with picks would you ask him to drop back and throw it 3 times from inside the 2 yard line?

Would you lean on the run game?

These are basic things that anyone with half a freaking brain would agree with and yet Hue would take a lead built upon the run and give the ball to Kizer and ask him to throw and throw and throw while completely abandoning the run game that gave u the lead.

If we were sticking with the run and the rookie was turning it over, I would say you know the talent just isnt there but I put a large number of these loses directly upon the head coach. if not for a blocked kick, we are 2 years winless.

Read option with Josh McCown when he could barely stand.

Timeouts, just to take a look at a play to decide to challenge or not.

Challenging plays that gives you a foot of meaningless distance.

SAying he abandoned the run because the 60 yard run wasnt a good run but good blocking up front. what the hell?

We were running all over teams and Hue just stops for whatever reason and says here rookie, throw it. 2and goal from the 1, lets try some crazy ass stuff and put it on our rookie QB to pull it off.

Hue may end up being a good headcoach somewhere but frankly his ass deserves to be fired. he has been the worst coach ever for the Cleveland Browns and the worst coach ever over a 2 year stretch in the history of the NFL.

How was the QB position Sashi'd up? Hue was the one who fell in love with RG3, it was Hue who thought Wentz wasn't worth the #2 overall pick (according to his buddy Mike Silver), it was Hue who supposedly liked Trubisky but liked Garrett better, it was also reported that had we stayed at #12 that Hue preferred Hooker over Watson.

WAIT A MINUTE.. Hue said Kizer had a bright future in the NFL. His exact words. WTH is that?

he also said to trust him with kssler

That tells you how good Hues word is....HOODWINKER...

I'll say this, I like what I hear coming out of the locker room. They seem to believe they are not that far from turning it around. At this point I'm just hoping Hue can beat a second string Steelers team.

I doubt it, he is a loser!

Barely into the 1st quarter and we are now officially the worst team on the planet, ever.

It looks like Vance Joseph is one and done:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21924...urn-next-season

So far we have Bears, Colts, Giants, Bengals, and Broncos. . .

I bet we see at least three more.

NOticed they locked the "time for Hue to go" thread.

If this thread is about the Browns percentages running, vs the box, then
If Hue really is coming back for a full another year.

The Browns maybe, just maybe, (holds up a thumb and forefinger to show a very small smidgen of a chance), might be better off to get a Vet Qb and not select any Qb in the draft.

Because I think Hue would mess up any Qb, and these he's already messed up, +a Vet, might outgrow it.

also, I want to say, If, if (again with the very small smidgen gesture) Hue is actually coming back for another full year,

I feel 2 things, His ceiling for any year is 4 wins, and also, they might as well give him a lifetime contract, because if 1-30 with this game to go, isn't enough to get rid of him, nothing ever will be.

Hue Jackson I hope

Peppers with a 35 yd return, somebody probably chewed him out for that negative punt return earlier.

Well, it’s time for the annual HC Monday massacre.

Pagano is already, officially, toast.

I feel bad for Chuck. Colts never really gave Pagano and Luck any talent to work with. They might be the worst drafting team in the league.

Shockingly they fired their GM, forced the new GM to keep Pagano for a year, and then fired Pagano after the first season.

Twilight Zoneish isn’t it?

It's like these forced marriages almost never work. Glad we are trying it out just to test the theory.

That gave me a headache for a moment but I think it became a full blown concussion around 20 seconds later. Expect contact from my lawyer.

Just going off of my memory of similar situations:

Holmren fired Mangini after one year.

It seems like Jim Caldwell is going to be gone after two seasons after having a GM hired in this situation. Mike Mularkey is in danger of this also.

John Elway fired Josh McDaniels.

I have no memory of this type of situation ever working. We're definitely the exception.

When you're 0-16 you're supposed to fire the head coach. If he starts out 0-5 next year fire, fire, fire!

It just tells you the owner is more incompetent than we could have ever imagined. He literally can't do anything right.

Sounds like a demo derby.lol