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My money is that all 8 will be Hue's offensive guys.

Dorsey doesn't get to replace Hue, but he can make Hue want to leave by sticking him with guys he doesn't want to work with.

del Rio and Caldwell are the two coaches who shouldn't have been fired.

Well, I find most of the staff offensive, starting at the top!

Pit, how would you develop any rookie QB?

Would u ask him to drop back and throw the ball 62% of the time?

If the rookie struggled with picks would you ask him to drop back and throw it 3 times from inside the 2 yard line?

Would you lean on the run game?

These are basic things that anyone with half a freaking brain would agree with and yet Hue would take a lead built upon the run and give the ball to Kizer and ask him to throw and throw and throw while completely abandoning the run game that gave u the lead.

If we were sticking with the run and the rookie was turning it over, I would say you know the talent just isnt there but I put a large number of these loses directly upon the head coach. if not for a blocked kick, we are 2 years winless.

Read option with Josh McCown when he could barely stand.

Timeouts, just to take a look at a play to decide to challenge or not.

Challenging plays that gives you a foot of meaningless distance.

SAying he abandoned the run because the 60 yard run wasnt a good run but good blocking up front. what the hell?

We were running all over teams and Hue just stops for whatever reason and says here rookie, throw it. 2and goal from the 1, lets try some crazy ass stuff and put it on our rookie QB to pull it off.

Hue may end up being a good headcoach somewhere but frankly his ass deserves to be fired. he has been the worst coach ever for the Cleveland Browns and the worst coach ever over a 2 year stretch in the history of the NFL.

How was the QB position Sashi'd up? Hue was the one who fell in love with RG3, it was Hue who thought Wentz wasn't worth the #2 overall pick (according to his buddy Mike Silver), it was Hue who supposedly liked Trubisky but liked Garrett better, it was also reported that had we stayed at #12 that Hue preferred Hooker over Watson.

Once again you need to look at this as a corporate structure, not single statements from individuals. Let me pose this to you. Depodesta publicly stated that the "organization" didn't consider Wentz a top 20 QB. So what did you expect Hue to say? "Hey, I wanted Wentz but they wouldn't listen to me."

No, he's not going to say that. He's going to go along with the company line which had already been established. What's he going to say when they signed RG3? "Well I wanted to draft a QB but that's not what they did."

A HC is always going to talk up his players until and unless they know the team is going to go in another direction. People let that common sense thought leave their minds when they wish to nail someone to the wall.

But let's look at the reality of the situation for just a minute.

Hue just recently stated he wanted more input into the draft. If the FO was taking Hue's wishes in the draft seriously and he had the input so many of you believed he had, why would he want more input?

Another point, both Sashi and Hue reported directly to Haslam. Haslam knows first hand who wanted which QB's whether in the FA market or the draft. He knows who Hue wanted and what decisions Sashi made. After almost two years and looking at that, he decided Sashi was the problem.

What fans are trying to do is fault Hue because he toed the company line. Because he didn't publicly disagree with Depodesta and Sashi. Then when Hue turned around and started actually speaking his mind here of late, you guys fault him for throwing people under the bus.

So he's damned if he agrees with everything the FO says and he gets BS if he doesn't.

There's only one person who really knows the individual wishes of Sashi and Hue. There was only one man who had a score card on which man was right and which man was wrong. That man sent Sashi packing and is keeping Hue.

But hey, what the hell, I'm sure you guys know better.

I don't think we should close the book on Kizer yet. He obviously has issues with recognition of defensive schemes, holding the ball/pocket awareness, and accuracy, but there's a lot of upside IMO. Ideally, he spends the next year or 3 watching a veteran before seeing the field again.

You have to be a real loser not to go after a QB you think you can win with. See one you want and then demand it. What buffoonery this is...

Once again you need to look at this as a corporate structure, not single statements from individuals. Let me pose this to you. Depodesta publicly stated that the "organization" didn't consider Wentz a top 20 QB. So what did you expect Hue to say? "Hey, I wanted Wentz but they wouldn't listen to me."

No, he's not going to say that. He's going to go along with the company line which had already been established. What's he going to say when they signed RG3? "Well I wanted to draft a QB but that's not what they did."

A HC is always going to talk up his players until and unless they know the team is going to go in another direction. People let that common sense thought leave their minds when they wish to nail someone to the wall.

But let's look at the reality of the situation for just a minute.

Hue just recently stated he wanted more input into the draft. If the FO was taking Hue's wishes in the draft seriously and he had the input so many of you believed he had, why would he want more input?

Another point, both Sashi and Hue reported directly to Haslam. Haslam knows first hand who wanted which QB's whether in the FA market or the draft. He knows who Hue wanted and what decisions Sashi made. After almost two years and looking at that, he decided Sashi was the problem.

What fans are trying to do is fault Hue because he toed the company line. Because he didn't publicly disagree with Depodesta and Sashi. Then when Hue turned around and started actually speaking his mind here of late, you guys fault him for throwing people under the bus.

So he's damned if he agrees with everything the FO says and he gets BS if he doesn't.

There's only one person who really knows the individual wishes of Sashi and Hue. There was only one man who had a score card on which man was right and which man was wrong. That man sent Sashi packing and is keeping Hue.

But hey, what the hell, I'm sure you guys know better.

Jack Del Rio was just fired

The last GM didn't do that. And as such, he's no longer here.

RG3 was signed over a month before the draft and the reports then were that Hue was googoo over him.

On Wentz he didn't have to say anything so why have his buddy Silver leak it that he didn't want Wentz?

As for him wanting more say I think that was just him covering his butt from being fired. If he was having such a problem getting the players he wanted why didn't this come out sooner instead of over half way through his second season? Again he was just trying to deflect the blame from how inept he is.

Yep...Ray Farmar - our last GM - has been long gone now.

Whose reports? Whose decision was it to sign RG#? See, it's easy just to spout stuff out but a lot of times not so easy to back it up. Were his comments on RG3 before or after the signing?





Showing the entire organization is on the same page is a desired thing. And did he actually say he didn't want Wentz? There's a difference in saying "we" and "I".



I'm sure that you think that Hue said that to cover his butt. Your mind is made up and you have it trained to think that way about Hue. The reason it wasn't brought up earlier is that you try to work things out. You try to fit into the system that was put in place.

And if he had said it earlier people would be saying exactly what they're saying now. That Hue is trying to throw people under the bus to make excuses. I mean that is what you just said, right?

In a recent meeting that included a number of team executives, Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson explained with wide eyes to those in attendance, including owner Jimmy Haslam and his wife, what he saw during a private workout from Robert Griffin III last week.

Jackson explained how, at one point when Griffin rolled out in a full sprint to throw a pass, "it felt like the Earth moved beneath my feet," according to team sources. He told them how Griffin's accuracy in passing drills was "freakish." It was surreal and special. It was everything you remember from 2012 -- and everything you have forgotten since.

And while the Browns owner by no means calls the shots on roster decisions in Cleveland (executive vice president Sashi Brown has that power), it is widely understood within the organization that Jackson understands quarterbacks as well as anyone. So Haslam looked toward the execs and spoke three definitive words:

"Go get him," Haslam told the group, setting off a series of negotiations that would lead to Griffin signing a two-year, $15 million with the Browns on Thursday.

I'm sure that you think that Hue said that to cover his butt. Your mind is made up and you have it trained to think that way about Hue. The reason it wasn't brought up earlier is that you try to work things out. You try to fit into the system that was put in place.

Depodesta made it plain that he didn't think Wentz was a top 20 QB. Wouldn't that make sashi the tiebreaker if Hue wanted him and Depodesta didn't?

Correct, but Hue didn't want Wentz if you believe Mike Silver's tweet when Silver was asked about it. So was Hue lying to his buddy?

j/c....

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Our last GM was Sashi. No need to be obtuse.

if we are operating under the belief that our roster is the problem I do not get why we would can asst. coaches .

I agree; something stinks here. As a side note, I thought the Oline coach (Wylie?) did a good job...

Enough to show he sucks.

Cleve Steve said he wouldn't be any good because he has a little head, LOL. I miss Cleve Steve. Anyone know why he stopped posting? (I mean, besides this godforsaken football team.)